The Four Stages of Mankind's Redemption:

[Keraz]

You are taking the text too literally and it's causing you to resort to the ridiculous notion that Isaiah introduced the topic of the new heavens and new earth in verse 17 only to change the topic in the very next verse. Ridiculous! No, he did not.

Imagine someone trying to tell you that John changed the topic he introduced in Revelation 21:1 in the very next verse. What would you think of that? Be honest.

We are told how the Prophesies are mixed up. Isaiah 28:13....a little here, a little there.
Isaiah 65:17 says how there will be a new heaven and earth. We are told when they will come in Revelation 21.

Isaiah 65:18-25 BUT; you be glad and rejoice, for I will rejoice over My people, long lived .....they will build houses and eat the fruitful produce of the Land.......in peace and prosperity. Mortal peoples, living on the old earth.
This passage does not relate to the Eternal state, as described in Revelation 21 to 22.

Of course; the rejection of the Millennium, is your problem. You cannot, in all honesty, make Isaiah 65:18-25 fit with Eternity.

 

[Keraz]

So you believe the comprehension of the future determine ones destiny

No. Another jump to a wrong conclusion.

Our destiny is decided by our faith and trust in the Lord for His protection as we pass thru all that must happen. 1 Peter 4:12
My posts are aimed at informing people about what God has planned for the end times. That will be a great help to get through it all and to see the glorious Return of Jesus. Luke 21:25-28

 

[Keraz]

The Redemption of the Lord’s people, by Isaiah ben Amos:

Now: The Israel of God is everyone who believes in God and accepts the atoning sacrifice of Jesus. Galatians 3:26-29 & 6:14-16, Romans 2:9-10

Isaiah, the Lord’s servant – his task is to prophesy the restoration of the 12 tribes of Jacob, to bring back the survivors of Israel, so that the Lord’s salvation may reach all of the earth.1

The remnant of Judah left in Zion will be called holy, when the Lord cleanses the Land by a spirit of judgement burning like fire.2 The sun will shine with seven times its normal strength on the Day the Lord saves His people.3 Then His glory will provide a refuge and shelter. On that Day, a remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob will return to God, their strength. 4

On that Day, the Lord will exert His power a second time to recover the remnant of His people from the four corners of the earth. He will make a signal to the nations and gather those dispersed from Judah and Israel. Enmity between Judah and Israel will cease.5

Listen, in silence, My people in the coasts and islands, together we go to the place of judgement. Israel, My servants summoned from the ends of the earth, the furthest corners. Have no fear, you will be strengthened and helped, upheld by My Right hand.6

I shall give descendants to Israel and Judah, heirs to my chosen people, they will take possession of My Land. Those who forsake the Lord are destined for the sword. 7

Go out, clear a road for My people, hoist a signal, see your deliverance comes. Comfort My people, their term of bondage is served, their penalty paid. Clear a road through the desert for the Lord – level the ground. I am about to do something new, can you see it? I shall make a way through the desert and I shall provide water so that My people may drink. They will praise Me.8

For a passing moment, I forsook you, but with tender affection, I shall bring you home again. I swear that My covenant of peace will never be shaken. 9

Arise and shine, Jerusalem, your sons and daughters are coming from afar – sailing along like clouds, vessels from the coasts and islands, returning your children from distant places, to the honour of God, for He has given you glory.10

They are coming from far away. My holy Land, not forgotten, it is inscribed onto the palms of My hands. All your children are assembling, flooding back to the Land. So many that the place is too cramped. The nations will bear your sons and daughters in their arms. None who look to Me will be disappointed. 11

You will go out with joy, be led forth in peace. The Land and trees will be joyful and thriving. I, the Lord, will provide for their needs.12

He who makes Me his refuge will possess the Land. Peace for all, both far and near, I shall heal Israel, says the Lord. The Lords people, set free, will come back in triumph. Gladness and joy will come upon them and suffering and sorrow will flee away. 13

A spirit from on high is sent upon us. Justice and righteousness in the Land, His people are living happy and peaceful. 14

I am Almighty God, for My sake, I will wipe out your transgressions. Israel, never forget Me.15 You are My witnesses, My servants, chosen by Me. Trust Me and know that I am your God.16 The Lord will make a new Covenant with Israel.17

Buildings will be restored, rebuilt on ancient foundations. If you keep the Commandments, then you will find joy in the Lord and the Land of your father, Jacob, will be yours to enjoy.18 Others will serve you, while you become priests of the Lord, and will enjoy the wealth of the nations.19 Ref: REB. Verses abridged.



1/ Isaiah 49:5-6 – The Redemption, Restoration and Rejoining of all Israel: now every true Christian, by descent or grafted in by reason of righteousness. Galatians 3:26-29, Deuteronomy 30:1-10, Jeremiah 31:7-9, Ezekiel 37:1-28, Acts 26:6-7, Ephesians 2:11-18

2/ Isaiah 4:3-6 - All of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed, but a remnant will survive in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 21:4, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 7:34, Zephaniah 1:18, Micah 5:11, Jeremiah 4:26-28, Isaiah 6:11-13, Isaiah 29:4, Zechariah 13:8-9

3/ Isaiah 30:26a – A Coronal Mass Ejection will explode out from the sun, literally fulfilling all the many prophesies about this forthcoming Day of the Lord’s wrath. Deut. 32:22 & 34-43, Isaiah 66:15-16, Psalms 97:3-5, Malachi 4:1,3, Jer. 25:33, Rev. 6:12-17

4/ Isaiah 10:20-21 – The Lord promises protection for His people and all who call upon His Name, on that Day. Joel 3:16, Isaiah 26:20-21, Zeph.2:3, Zech.9:15-16, Prov. 3:25-26

5/ Isaiah 11:11-13 – The exile punishment of the 12 tribes of Judah, the Jews and Israel, scattered among the Western nations, will be completed. Isaiah 40:1-2, 2 Chronicles 6:36-39, Jeremiah 29:13-14

6/ Isaiah 41:1-10 - They will re-join and gather at the place of judgement in preparation to enter the holy Land. Ezekiel 20:34-36, Isaiah 27:12-13, Amos 3:9

7/ Isaiah 65:9-12- Those judged righteous will take possession of the holy Land, Those who forsake the Lord will die. Ezekiel 20:37-38, Jeremiah 5:26, Isaiah 1:25, Isa. 10:17-22

8/ Isaiah 62:10, Isaiah 40:1-3, Isaiah 43:19-21 – The Lord’s people will march into the Land with great joy and thanksgiving. Psalms 68:7-9 & 19-27, Isaiah 42:16, Isaiah 40:26-31

9/ Isaiah 54:7-10 – The punishment by exile for Israel and Judah was for a decreed period. Now the Lord will make a new Covenant with them. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 11:26-28, Hebrews 8:10-17

10/ Isaiah 60:1-9, Isaiah 49:8-23 – His Christian people, brought into the holy Land, all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. Many millions; all true believers in the Lord. Isaiah 66:18-20, Zechariah 10:8-10, Micah 7:11-12, Isaiah 49:1-23

11/ Isaiah 49:14-21 - The Lord did [will] devastate and depopulate all the Holy Land, but now it is too small for all My righteous people. Psalms 83, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Micah 7:11-13, Rev.7:9

12/ Isaiah 55:12-13, Isaiah 41:17 – The Lord will send rain and the Land will be regenerated. He will provide food and water in plenty. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Isa. 35:1-2, Psalms 68:7-10

13/ Isaiah 57:13 & 19 At the present time, Judah has possession of a part of the holy Land, but soon all the Lord’s Christian people will live in all their heritage in peace and prosperity. Hosea 2:14-23, Psalms 69:22-36, Ezekiel 28:24-26, Revelation 7:9-10

14/ Isaiah 32:15-16, Isaiah 51:11, Isaiah 35:10 - God’s Spirit is sent onto His people. The Lord will heal them spiritually and physically. Psalms 126:1-5, Psalms 147:2-3, Isaiah 30:26b, Isaiah 44:1-5, Ezekiel 11:19-20, Ezekiel 37:1-14, Acts 2:17-21

15/ Isaiah 44:22 – Their sins are forgiven. 1 Kings 8:46-52, Psalms 79:8-9, Micah 7:18, Hosea 14:1-7, John 1:29, Hebrews 8:12

16/ Isaiah 43:10-11 – All this will happen in the end times, before the Return of Jesus for His Millennial reign. They will be ‘a light to the nations’ and will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, Revelation 14:1-7

17/ Isaiah 59:21 – The Mosaic Covenant is superseded by a New Covenant. Jer. 31:31-34, Jer. 32:36-41, Hosea 2:19-23, Ephesians 2:15, Hebrews 8:7-13

18/ Isaiah 58:12-14 – They will build a new Temple on Mt Zion. Ezekiel 40-44, Haggai 2:6-9, Zechariah 1:16-17, Zech. 6:15, Zech. 8:9, 2 Thess. 2:3-4, Revelation 11:1

19/ Isaiah 61:5-6 – Amazing promises of God to His people in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 66:18b-24, Hosea 14:4-7, Psalms 102:15-22, Colossians 1:11-12

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We are told how the Prophesies are mixed up. Isaiah 28:13....a little here, a little there.

LOL. Thinking that he introduced a topic in Isaiah 65:17 only to change it in the very next verse sis not what Isaiah 28:13 is talking about.

Isaiah 65:17 says how there will be a new heaven and earth. We are told when they will come in Revelation 21.

Isaiah 65:18-25 BUT; you be glad and rejoice, for I will rejoice over My people, long lived .....they will build houses and eat the fruitful produce of the Land.......in peace and prosperity. Mortal peoples, living on the old earth.
This passage does not relate to the Eternal state, as described in Revelation 21 to 22.

Of course; the rejection of the Millennium, is your problem. You cannot, in all honesty, make Isaiah 65:18-25 fit with Eternity.

Yes, I can, and I have. Unlike your dishonest approach, I acknowledge that Isaiah 65:18-25 relates to the new heavens and new earth because that is what Isaiah is talking about in that passage. He does not change the subject after verse 17.

 

[Keraz]

LOL. Thinking that he introduced a topic in Isaiah 65:17 only to change it in the very next verse sis not what Isaiah 28:13 is talking about.


Yes, I can, and I have. Unlike your dishonest approach, I acknowledge that Isaiah 65:18-25 relates to the new heavens and new earth because that is what Isaiah is talking about in that passage. He does not change the subject after verse 17.

The belief of Isaiah 65:18-25, being how it will be for Eternity, directly contradicts Revelation 21 & 22::1-5.....,.Only those whose names are inscribed in the Book of Life, shall enter. ......Every accursed thing shall disappear....

It is your wrong approach which is dishonest and is in error.
You need to tone down your comments and more than that; really study Bible truths, gain proper understanding and cease making wild assertions. Start with Matthew 22:29-30

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The belief of Isaiah 65:18-25, being how it will be for Eternity, directly contradicts Revelation 21 & 22::1-5.....,.Only those whose names are inscribed in the Book of Life, shall enter. ......Every accursed thing shall disappear....

Your interpretation of that passage directly contradicts Revelation 21 and 22 which should make you aware that you are misinterpreting that passage. Resorting to trying to say it doesn't relate to the new heavens and new earth is a case of blatantly twisting scripture to fit your doctrine. Any unbiased person can easily see that the topic of the new heavens and new earth is introduced in Isaiah 65:17 and then described in more detail in verses 18-25. But, that detail is mostly figurative, unlike Revelation 21:1-5 where John straightforwardly declares that there will be no more death on the new earth.

Compare Isaiah 65:17-19 to Revelation 21:1-4 and note the obvious similarities. They are so clearly speaking of the same thing, yet you deny that.

Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. 19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

By making Isaiah 65:18-25 about a supposed future thousand years on earth, you have to come to the conclusion that there will be a future time when death is still occurring, but people will no longer mourn anyone's death. Are you comfortable with having that belief that people will one day no longer weep or cry when a loved one dies?

It is your wrong approach which is dishonest and is in error.

It's dishonest to not try to think that Isaiah introduced a new topic in Isaiah 65:17 only to then immediately change the topic in the next verse? No, I don't think so.

You need to tone down your comments and more than that; really study Bible truths, gain proper understanding and cease making wild assertions. Start with Matthew 22:29-30

I have done that and I still disagree with you, so our disagreement is not because I have not studied the Bible enough. I've studied it just as much as you have.

 

[soberxp]

1/ Our situation for the last 2000 years and now:
The acceptance of Christianity by many people, but mainly those actually descended from the House of Israel -the ten Northern tribes.
This is the fulfilment of Jesus' Promise; Matthew 15:24 and of the OT Prophets about the restoration of Israel, but Spiritually, not genetic. Ezekiel 37:1-14, Ephesians 2:11-18 They will inherit the Kingdom. Matthew 21:42

2/ Soon to happen:
The terrible world changer of the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17
All of the faithful Christian peoples will gather into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Revelation 7:9
They will at last be the people God always wanted there. His Witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6, Matthew 5:14-16

3/ Jesus Returns:
All the wicked peoples will be destroyed. The Christian peoples will live in peace and prosperity, under the benign Kingship of Jesus. People will still marry, procreate and die, albeit, living much longer and disease free lives. Isaiah 65:20
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released and he will be successful in convincing many to rebel against Jesus. Revelation 20:7-9
It is most likely all of the original people in the Millennium will have died by then. All the martyrs killed during the 42 months of world Satanic control and raised back to mortal life, as well. This will be their second death, as Revelation 13:5-7 & 20:6 explains. The second death as per Rev 20:14, applies to the wicked. God will burn up all of those rebels and Satan as well. He will Judge everyone who has ever lived, Revelation 20:11-15, including those who are alive and remain at that time. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

4/ Eternity:
Those whose name are found in the Book of Life, will go with God into Eternity, as Spiritual beings. Mark 12:25, Revelation 21:1-7, in the New Jerusalem.

I don't know where you get these ideas from.
Don't try to understand the prophecies in the Bible because there are false prophets. What is a false prophet? I think the name is accurate.

 

[Keraz]

It's dishonest to not try to think that Isaiah introduced a new topic in Isaiah 65:17 only to then immediately change the topic in the next verse? No, I don't think so.

Isaiah 65:20 says; people will die. This can only be during the Millennium,
Revelation 21:4 says; Death will be no more. This can only be for the Eternal state.

Your beliefs contradict plainly stated scripture. Happy with that?

 

[Keraz]

I don't know where you get these ideas from.
Don't try to understand the prophecies in the Bible because there are false prophets. What is a false prophet? I think the name is accurate.

Who needs to 'sober up'?
I quote what the Prophetic Word says. It is the truth and the unfulfilled Prophesies will literally take place, [allegories excepted] as the fulfilled Prophesies have done.
False prophets teach fables and lies and many people have fallen for them, to their discredit. 2 Timothy 4:3-4

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Isaiah 65:20 says; people will die. This can only be during the Millennium,
Revelation 21:4 says; Death will be no more. This can only be for the Eternal state.

Your beliefs contradict plainly stated scripture. Happy with that?

Of course I'm not happy with your false statement. You are apparently too afraid to address what I said about the similarities between Isaiah 65:17-19 and Revelation 21:1-4. Why is that? You don't think you need to address why it is that you believe Isaiah 65:20 is talking about death occurring at the same time when people are no longer weeping or crying? You expect us to believe that people will no longer mourn at some point when a loved one dies?

Why are you happy with interpreting Isaiah 65:20 in such a way that completely contradicts what is written in the verses that immediately precede it?

 

[Keraz]

You don't think you need to address why it is that you believe Isaiah 65:20 is talking about death occurring at the same time when people are no longer weeping or crying? You expect us to believe that people will no longer mourn at some point when a loved one dies?

there will be no more weeping and distress in the Millennium, because no infant will die and people will live for long and useful lives. Isaiah 65:18-25
No infant will die.....; there are births and deaths.
Long and useful lives..... Even today, a person like that is celebrated and their funeral is not a sad occasion.

You are dictating to Isaiah and to God for telling us about the New heavens and earth, before the description of the Millennium. Not wise.
We are expected to use our intelligence to properly sort out the Prophesies sequence.
In fact, the ONLY actual sequence of end times events, is the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls of Revelation. All the rest is 'a little here, a little there'.

Why are you happy with interpreting Isaiah 65:20 in such a way that completely contradicts what is written in the verses that immediately precede it?

There is no contradiction:
Verse 17 simply states; God is Creating a new heaven and earth. WE know when it will come to us; Revelation 21:1-7
Verses 18-25, then gives us a beautiful picture of the thousand year rule of King Jesus.

I set out the scripturally correct sequence in the OP.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

there will be no more weeping and distress in the Millennium, because no infant will die and people will live for long and useful lives. Isaiah 65:18-25
No infant will die.....; there are births and deaths.
Long and useful lives..... Even today, a person like that is celebrated and their funeral is not a sad occasion.

LOL. You have to be kidding me with this argument. You think grandchildren don't weep when their grandparents die just because they were old? That's nonsense. Children of old parents cry when their parents die no matter how old they are. You are not honest enough to acknowledge the contradiction you create in your interpretation of Isaiah 65:18-19 compared to your interpretation of Isaiah 65:20.

You are dictating to Isaiah and to God for telling us about the New heavens and earth, before the description of the Millennium. Not wise.

You are making it so that no one will be sad when someone dies during this imaginary future millennium you believe in. Not wise.

We are expected to use our intelligence to properly sort out the Prophesies sequence.

So, you should start doing that then.

In fact, the ONLY actual sequence of end times events, is the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls of Revelation. All the rest is 'a little here, a little there'.

LOL. Nonsense. In your mind "a little here, a little there" means every verse in scripture related to end time events except in Revelation starts a new sequence of events. LOL. Give me a break.

There is no contradiction:
Verse 17 simply states; God is Creating a new heaven and earth. WE know when it will come to us; Revelation 21:1-7
Verses 18-25, then gives us a beautiful picture of the thousand year rule of King Jesus.

I set out the scripturally correct sequence in the OP.

I can't take you seriously. Imagine someone saying that Revelation 21:2-5 is not related to the new heavens and new earth. That's what it's like for you to deny that Isaiah 65:18-25 is about the new heavens and new earth.

 

[quietthinker]

1/ Our situation for the last 2000 years and now:
The acceptance of Christianity by many people, but mainly those actually descended from the House of Israel -the ten Northern tribes.
This is the fulfilment of Jesus' Promise; Matthew 15:24 and of the OT Prophets about the restoration of Israel, but Spiritually, not genetic. Ezekiel 37:1-14, Ephesians 2:11-18 They will inherit the Kingdom. Matthew 21:42

2/ Soon to happen:
The terrible world changer of the Lord’s Day of fiery wrath, Deuteronomy 32:34-43, Revelation 6:12-17
All of the faithful Christian peoples will gather into all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26, Revelation 7:9
They will at last be the people God always wanted there. His Witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27, and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:6, Matthew 5:14-16

3/ Jesus Returns:
All the wicked peoples will be destroyed. The Christian peoples will live in peace and prosperity, under the benign Kingship of Jesus. People will still marry, procreate and die, albeit, living much longer and disease free lives. Isaiah 65:20
At the end of the thousand years, Satan will be released and he will be successful in convincing many to rebel against Jesus. Revelation 20:7-9
It is most likely all of the original people in the Millennium will have died by then. All the martyrs killed during the 42 months of world Satanic control and raised back to mortal life, as well. This will be their second death, as Revelation 13:5-7 & 20:6 explains. The second death as per Rev 20:14, applies to the wicked. God will burn up all of those rebels and Satan as well. He will Judge everyone who has ever lived, Revelation 20:11-15, including those who are alive and remain at that time. 1 Corinthians 15:50-56

4/ Eternity:
Those whose name are found in the Book of Life, will go with God into Eternity, as Spiritual beings. Mark 12:25, Revelation 21:1-7, in the New Jerusalem.

Sooo, when are you moving to the holy land Keraz?

 

[Keraz]

Sooo, when are you moving to the holy land Keraz?

Soon after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East region. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
As Isaiah 66:15-21 describes. [Note; S.I., that this Prophecy is in the proper sequence. Note too, how the Lord swears by His Promise of the NHNE, to come later. Isaiah 66:22]

The best Prophecy about our going to live in the holy Land, is Psalms 107. The thread; Living in the Holy Land, gives more detail.

 

[quietthinker]

Soon after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East region. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
As Isaiah 66:15-21 describes. [Note; S.I., that this Prophecy is in the proper sequence. Note too, how the Lord swears by His Promise of the NHNE, to come later. Isaiah 66:22]

The best Prophecy about our going to live in the holy Land, is Psalms 107. The thread; Living in the Holy Land, gives more detail.

I guess the larger majority of those calling themselves Christians also have their focus on Israel with intensity. The determination of interpreting events in Israel as a priority tells me they do not interpret Jesus as a priority. If they did, Jesus would shine as the focus, however, the language used denies this.

 

[Keraz]

The Redemption of the Nazarenes:
Jeremiah 30:23-24 See what a scorching wind has gone out from the Lord, a sweeping whirlwind, coming down onto the heads of the wicked. The Lord’s anger will not be turned aside, it will accomplish His purposes.
In days to come, you will understand. Deuteronomy 29:4, Isaiah 35:5, Isaiah 48:6-8

Jeremiah 31:1-40 At that time, I shall be the God of all the families of Israel and they will be My people, a people that have escaped the sword and found favour in the wilderness. From afar God will appear to His people. 2 Thess. 1:10. He loves and cares for them and will build them up again, for a Day will come when the watchmen cry out on the hills of Ephraim: Come, let us go up Zion, unto the Lord our God. Once again, they will be happy and the Land will be fruitful. They will worship God in Jerusalem. Ezekiel 20:34-36

The Lord says: be joyful for Jacob’s sake, sing praises and say- God has saved His people, He has preserved a remnant of Israel. See how He brings them from all parts of the earth, among them the blind and the lame, women and children. A vast company, they come with weeping and prayer, God will comfort and escort them. He will lead them by streams of water, on smooth paths, for He is the Father to Israel and Ephraim is His eldest son. Psalms 107, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 62:10-12

Listen to the Word of the Lord, you nations, make it known to people far away. He who scattered Israel, will gather them again and will watch over them as a shepherd watches over his flock. For God has redeemed Jacob [now every true Christian] and delivered them from their enemies. His righteous people will come with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. Ezekiel 36:8-12, Amos 9:14-15,

Rachel weeps for her children. [Rachel is the mother of Jacob/ Israel] Shed no more tears, for they will leave the nations and return to their own Land. God has disciplined Ephraim, like an unruly bull calf. After Ephraim strayed, he repented and now in shame and remorse; reproaches himself for the sins of his youth. God says: Ephraim is still My dear son, in whom I delight and I still remember him and have compassion for him. Hosea 11:8-9 Set up signs to mark your way, the path for your return. [The dolmen cairns across Europe] Come back virgin Israel to your towns. How long will you wander, My wayward child? Deuteronomy 4:26, Isaiah 63:17-19, Ezekiel 4:4-6, John 7:35
This will happen: a woman will protect a man. Judges 5:7 – a precedent?

The Lord says: When I bring My people back from exile, from all parts of the world, they will live in all the Land and be satisfied. Once more will these words be heard in the Land; God bless you, the home of righteousness, the holy mountain. Ezekiel 39:27

The days are coming, says the Lord, when I will plant Israel and Judah then increase their people and livestock. In the past My intent was to uproot and inflict disaster upon them, now I shall watch over them, to build and plant. Micah 7:11-12, Ezekiel 36:8

It will no longer be said that children will suffer for their parents sins. Only those who sin will be punished for it. Ezekiel 18:20

The days are coming when I shall establish a new covenant with Israel and Judah. It will not be like the one that I made with their forefathers, when I took them out of Egypt, that covenant they broke, though I was patient with them. This will be the new Covenant that I will make with the whole House of Israel, in the latter days; I shall set My Law within them, in their hearts, all of them will know and obey Me. I will forgive and forget their wrongdoing. Ezekiel 37:26, Hebrews 8:6-12

The Lord says: As the sun and stars are set in their courses, as the wind and the sea roars- only if this fixed order changes, only then: could Israel ever cease to be a people before Me. Micah 7:19-20, Isaiah 14:1-2, Hosea 2:18-23

The days are coming when Jerusalem will be rebuilt in My honour. It will be holy to Me, never again to be demolished. Isaiah 58:12, Micah 7:11, Jeremiah 30:18
Ref: REB. Verses abridged.

‘A scorching wind, a sweeping whirlwind that will destroy the wicked’ - This is the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal of Revelation 6:12-17 and Isaiah 30:26a – a massive sunstrike that will affect all the world. Malachi 4:1-3, 2 Peter 3:7

‘God will save His people. At that time…a people will escape the Sword’ – The Lord’s righteous people will be protected on that Day. Isaiah 30:26b, Joel 2:32, Psalms 23:4

‘The Redemption of the Nazarenes’– In Jeremiah 31:6, the word translated ‘watchmen’ is ‘nazar’, meaning to set apart, to consecrate and dedicate for sacred purposes. [ref: Strongs H5144] It is the root word for Nazareth and disciples of Jesus were and still can be, known as Nazarenes. Acts 24:5 So it will be all the righteous Christian believers who will gather and go to live in the Promised Land. Colossians 1:9-20, Psalms 37:29

‘He who scattered Israel, will gather them again. His righteous people, will leave the nations and come, with great joy into a Land of plenty and peace. They will worship their God in Jerusalem’. – This is the great promise of the redemption of all God’s people, that is; all true believing Christians, who will come to live in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in peace and prosperity. They will build the 3rd Temple and worship God similar to the ancient days. Zechariah 6:15, Ezekiel 40 to 48. God made unconditional promises to the Patriarchs and their descendants remain mostly scattered around the world. Amos 9:9, Ezekiel 34:5+11-16. They are now ‘a vast company’, who now constitute a high proportion of the population in the Western/Christian nations. Their right to ownership of the holy Land will be proven when the title deed in Jeremiah 32:14 is found. But we are told very clearly in the Bible: those with true faith will share the Blessings promised to Abraham. Galatians 3:6-9 & 26-29, Isaiah 56:1-8, John 10:16

‘It will no longer be said: the children will suffer for their parents sins’. - The sins of the forefathers are paid for by our long exile among the nations. Isaiah 27:7-9, Isaiah 40:1-2

‘the Holy mountain’ – the Temple mount. The 3rd Temple will be built and thank offerings made in it, before the Return of Jesus. Ezekiel chapters 40-48, Zechariah 8:9

The great end times story:
This prophecy from the book of the prophet Jeremiah, tells the story of how God will punish the unrighteous by a fire judgement, then how His righteous people will go to live in all of the holy Land. All who by faith, that believe in God and Jesus will receive salvation. John 3:16-18

He will make a new covenant with them, in order for His people: Nazarene Christians, from every race and language, to fulfil their destiny to be “a light to the nations”, and to spread the gospel of the coming Kingdom of God. This will be carried out by the 144,000 selected in Jerusalem. Revelation 14:1-7 The precedent to this is in Luke 10:1-20. Isaiah 49:6, Isaiah 66:19

God’s people will live in peace and prosperity, in the new country of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, in all of that area promised to Abraham so long ago. Genesis 15:18, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Joel 2:23-27
When they are settled and prosperous, the Lord will motivate a Northern confederation to come and attack Beulah, Ezekiel 38:8, Ezekiel 39:1-2.
They will be totally wiped out by the Lord, Ezekiel 38:21-22, Ezekiel 39:3-5, Joel 2:20. This is in order to display His glory and power to all the nations. Ezekiel 38:23, Ezekiel 39:21

Meanwhile, the rest of the world will slowly recover from the terrible fires and earthquakes of the Day of the Lord’s wrath and they will form a One World Government, initially controlled by ten Presidents, but another will rise to take dictatorial powers. He will make a seven year peace treaty with Beulah, that not all the people agree with. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15
This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age. At the middle of this time, the World Dictator takes over Beulah, Zech. 14:1-2, Rev elation 13:7, and forcibly sits in the Temple. Daniel 11:31, 2 Thessalonians 2:4

This triggers the 3½ year Great Tribulation, the trumpet and bowl judgements. Those Christians who refused any dealings with the ‘beast’, or his mark, as in Revelation 13, are taken to a place of safety. Revelation 12:14 1260 days later, will come the culmination of this age – the physical Return of Jesus, Zechariah 14:6-11, Rev. 19:11-21.

He will destroy the armies mustered for battle in Armageddon. Revelation 16:16, Revelation 19:19-21, Zechariah 14:3-5 Then, He will reign for 1000 years. Great will be that time!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Soon after the Sixth Seal event has cleared and cleansed the entire Middle East region. Deuteronomy 32:34-43
As Isaiah 66:15-21 describes. [Note; S.I., that this Prophecy is in the proper sequence. Note too, how the Lord swears by His Promise of the NHNE, to come later. Isaiah 66:22]

The best Prophecy about our going to live in the holy Land, is Psalms 107. The thread; Living in the Holy Land, gives more detail.

You look for a relatively small piece of land in Israel. I look for what scripture says we should be looking for.

Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. 15 And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. 16 But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Keraz]

You look for a relatively small piece of land in Israel. I look for what scripture says we should be looking for.

Why do I need to teach you how big the holy Land is?
As Abrahams descendants by faith, we Christians are the inheritors of all the area God gave to him. Genesis 15:18

And why are you still blustering, bluffing and bulldusting your wrong beliefs here? I have proved you wrong many times; the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind is a Biblical and historically proven fact and in #28, I posted this:
Isaiah 65:20 says; people will die. This can only be during the Millennium,
Revelation 21:4 says; Death will be no more. This can only be for the Eternal state.

AMillennium believers haven't got a leg to stand on!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why do I need to teach you how big the holy Land is?
As Abrahams descendants by faith, we Christians are the inheritors of all the area God gave to him. Genesis 15:18

I need to teach you. It will be the entire new heavens and new earth.

And why are you still blustering, bluffing and bulldusting your wrong beliefs here?

LOL. You are hilarious.

I have proved you wrong many times

You like to claim things like this despite your very weak arguments that prove nothing. You have proven to be delusional in believing that you have proven anything .You think that Zechariah 5 is referring to a barrel instead of a scroll. LOL. Your claims like this are not backed up by your nonsensical beliefs.

; the 7000 year Plan of God for mankind is a Biblical and historically proven fact and in #28, I posted this:

LOL. Prove it with scripture. You can't do it. You need to learn what the word "fact" means. Your weak opinions are not facts.

Isaiah 65:20 says; people will die. This can only be during the Millennium,
Revelation 21:4 says; Death will be no more. This can only be for the Eternal state.

Isaiah 65:20 does not say that. You are missing that it's figurative text. If taken literally it contradicts the verses before it which talk about no more weeping and crying at that time which means you force yourself to believe in a future time period during which people will not mourn the deaths of their loved ones which is completely ludicrous. Revelation 21:1-4 makes it clear that the time when there is no more weeping and crying is when the new heavens and new earth are ushered in and there will be no more death at that point.

AMillennium believers haven't got a leg to stand on!

Your words mean nothing. You have no idea how weak your arguments are. Talk about not having a leg to stand on! Look in the mirror.

 

[Keraz]

Isaiah 65:20 does not say that. You are missing that it's figurative text

Isaish 65:20 He who dies at 100, is just a youth......
So; now you are outed as a denier of scripture. It is quite wrong to call such a literal Prophecy, as figurative. Figurative of what?

You think that Zechariah 5 is referring to a barrel instead of a scroll.

In my REBible, it says that flying object is like a barrel.
It surely is not an actual scroll. Saying it is a scroll, is arrant stupidity.

Since your last rave, in #39, people reading this thread will see how you use denigration and verbal abuse to promote your false beliefs.

My hope is for everyone to realize how close we are to the Day the Lord will send His fiery wrath to destroy His enemies. The terrible Day like: As it was in the days of Noah.... and the world will never be the same again.