PREMILL DOES NOT MEAN PRE-TRIB RAPTURE

[Davy]

Brethren in Christ:

Do not allow yourselves to be influenced by Amillennialists that come here mocking anyone that believes a Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ, which a Premill coming is actually what is written in God's Word.

Premill = the idea that Lord Jesus returns just prior to His future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

That... is what is actually written in God's Word. And Premill is what the 1st century Church Fathers and Apostles believed.

The Amill theory began only in the 2nd century A.D. when the pagan doctrines of Gnosticism began creeping into the Church.

As a vain strategy against the Biblical Premill idea, Amillennialist lie ... and try to claim the Premill belief is a doctrine belonging to those who believe in a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory, the idea that Jesus raptures the Church prior to the "great tribulation". But that Pre-trib Rapture idea, like the Amill theory, is FALSE.

God's Word is clear as written, that Lord Jesus comes AFTER... the "great tribulation" to gather His Church, and that is just PRIOR to His future "thousand years" (Millennium) reign. That means a Pos-trib and Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ to gather His Church.

That can easily be found by Lord Jesus Himself in the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scriptures, and even by Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 where he linked the future time of 'resurrection' to his gathering of the Church example. The future resurrection per Jesus in John 6:40 only will happen on the LAST DAY of this world like He said there. That means AFTER... the "great tribulation" like He also said, as written.

 

[Truth7t7]

Brethren in Christ:

Do not allow yourselves to be influenced by Amillennialists that come here mocking anyone that believes a Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ, which a Premill coming is actually what is written in God's Word.

Premill = the idea that Lord Jesus returns just prior to His future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

That... is what is actually written in God's Word. And Premill is what the 1st century Church Fathers and Apostles believed.

The Amill theory began only in the 2nd century A.D. when the pagan doctrines of Gnosticism began creeping into the Church.

As a vain strategy against the Biblical Premill idea, Amillennialist lie ... and try to claim the Premill belief is a doctrine belonging to those who believe in a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory, the idea that Jesus raptures the Church prior to the "great tribulation". But that Pre-trib Rapture idea, like the Amill theory, is FALSE.

God's Word is clear as written, that Lord Jesus comes AFTER... the "great tribulation" to gather His Church, and that is just PRIOR to His future "thousand years" (Millennium) reign. That means a Pos-trib and Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ to gather His Church.

That can easily be found by Lord Jesus Himself in the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scriptures, and even by Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 where he linked the future time of 'resurrection' to his gathering of the Church example. The future resurrection per Jesus in John 6:40 only will happen on the LAST DAY of this world like He said there. That means AFTER... the "great tribulation" like He also said, as written.

You can post the false claim of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth a thousand times, it doesn't exist in scripture It's a man made fairy tale

Many just don't want to let go of their little pet 1,000 year kingdom on this earth that doesn't exist in scripture

Paul clearly taught that when Jesus returns the resurrection of the dead takes place, (Then Cometh The End) its that simple (The End) not a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth as many "Falsely" claim

1 Corinthians 15:21-24KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

The scripture above is in perfect agreement with Jesus being revealed in fire and brimstone as seen below (Then Cometh The End) as all the unsaved wicked are destroyed at the Lord's return

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

The resurrection of "All" is seen below and the wicked are judged to eternal damnation, this is when the "Final Judgement" takes place (The End)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 Jesus clearly taught that the resurrection of "All" takes place on "The Last Day" this is in perfect agreement with the scripture above

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Davy]

You can post the false claim of a Millennial Kingdom on this earth a thousand times, it doesn't exist in scripture, It's a man made fairy tale

It is recognized that you do NOT... always keep God's Word as written.

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus Himself showed His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation".

So you are going to tell me He does that gathering... when??

IF... you say Jesus had already done that, then you it shows you LIE against God's written Word.

IF... you say Jesus said the events of Revelation 20 happen BEFORE Jesus' coming to gather His Church, then you also LIE against God's written Word.

In Reality then, you are left with only ONE choice, and that is Jesus' coming to gather His Church AFTER the "great tribulation", but just PRIOR to His "thousand years" millennial reign with His elect of Revelation 20.


And can't you recognize the following verse when speaking of the "thousand years" having "expired"... that MUST MEAN that "thousand years" is meant LITERALLY?

Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV


I'm not going to get into all the various stupid theories of Amillennialism which are not written in God's Word. Just like the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, Amills KEEP CHANGING THEIR THEORY, showing that it is a MADE UP DOCTRINE OF MEN.

 

[Truth7t7]

It is recognized that you do NOT... always keep God's Word as written.

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus Himself showed His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation".

So you are going to tell me He does that gathering... when??

IF... you say Jesus had already done that, then you it shows you LIE against God's written Word.

IF... you say Jesus said the events of Revelation 20 happen BEFORE Jesus' coming to gather His Church, then you also LIE against God's written Word.

In Reality then, you are left with only ONE choice, and that is Jesus' coming to gather His Church AFTER the "great tribulation", but just PRIOR to His "thousand years" millennial reign with His elect of Revelation 20.


And can't you recognize the following verse when speaking of the "thousand years" having "expired"... that MUST MEAN that "thousand years" is meant LITERALLY?

Rev 20:7
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
KJV


I'm not going to get into all the various stupid theories of Amillennialism which are not written in God's Word. Just like the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, Amills KEEP CHANGING THEIR THEORY, showing that it is a MADE UP DOCTRINE OF MEN.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Davy]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

The WHOLE Revelation 20 Chapter is about the future "thousand years" reign by Christ AFTER... His future 2nd coming to gather His Church from both Heaven and from the earth.

You simply fail to understand what the 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 'change' to the "spiritual body" is about. You still think with your FLESH, and not via The Holy Spirit.


How was it, that per Genesis 2, God's River of the Waters of Life and the Tree of Life were once manifested UPON THIS EARTH?

Gen 2:8-14
8 And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.
11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;
12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.
13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.
14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.
KJV

How is it that I am having to REMIND you of that above simple Genesis 2 Scripture that revealed God's River and the Tree of Life was once upon this earth?

That river "Hiddekel" is another name for the Tigris river, which STILL EXISTS TODAY UPON THIS EARTH, along with that river Euphrates! They are located in the middle east nation of Iraq.


Likely, you've also MISSED the following Scripture about God's future Kingdom on earth...

The following is yet to still happen...

Isa 19:23-25
23 In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, "Blessed be Egypt My people, and Assyria the work of My hands, and Israel Mine inheritance."
KJV

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Brethren in Christ:

Do not allow yourselves to be influenced by Amillennialists that come here mocking anyone that believes a Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ, which a Premill coming is actually what is written in God's Word.

Brethren in Christ. I probably don't need to tell you this, but Davy is an angry big mouth who no one should pay any attention to except for when he correctly points out that the rapture is post-trib. Otherwise, pay no attention to his many words that contradict scripture.

Premill = the idea that Lord Jesus returns just prior to His future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20.

In the title of this thread you say Premill does not mean pre-trib rapture. But, those who believe in a pre-trib rapture are also Premills along with those who believe in a post-trib rapture since they would agree with what you said here.

That... is what is actually written in God's Word. And Premill is what the 1st century Church Fathers and Apostles believed.

And many believed in Amill as well, as Justin Martyr said in the early 2nd century. But, you go ahead and keep lying if you think you won't get punished for it. But, anyone who lies unrepentantly will get punished for it. Trust me.

The Amill theory began only in the 2nd century A.D. when the pagan doctrines of Gnosticism began creeping into the Church.

Total nonsense. Anyone can make claims like this, but you have no proof to back it up. You just can make up any lie you want and you expect people to believe it.

As a vain strategy against the Biblical Premill idea, Amillennialist lie ... and try to claim the Premill belief is a doctrine belonging to those who believe in a Pre-tribulational Rapture theory, the idea that Jesus raptures the Church prior to the "great tribulation". But that Pre-trib Rapture idea, like the Amill theory, is FALSE.

Nonsense. No one tries to say that all Premills believe in a pre-trib rapture. Some do and some don't. No one says otherwise. Only paranoia can lead someone to think that anyone is claiming that all Premills believe in a pre-trib rapture.

God's Word is clear as written, that Lord Jesus comes AFTER... the "great tribulation" to gather His Church,

Correct. Stick to debating this topic. You are way in over your head in the Amill vs. Premill debate. You repeatedly make a fool of yourself when trying to take part in that debate.

and that is just PRIOR to His future "thousand years" (Millennium) reign.

Wrong.

That means a Pos-trib and Premill coming by Lord Jesus Christ to gather His Church.

Post-trib, yes. Premill, no.

That can easily be found by Lord Jesus Himself in the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scriptures, and even by Apostle Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16 where he linked the future time of 'resurrection' to his gathering of the Church example. The future resurrection per Jesus in John 6:40 only will happen on the LAST DAY of this world like He said there. That means AFTER... the "great tribulation" like He also said, as written.

LOL. Because of your insistence on believing Premill, you have 1,000+ years of this world still happening after the last day. What a joke.

 

[Davy]

Brethren in Christ. I probably don't need to tell you this, but Davy is an angry big mouth who no one should pay any attention to except for when he correctly points out that the rapture is post-trib. Otherwise, pay no attention to his many words that contradict scripture.

Above shows only how Spiritual Israelite doesn't like rebuke because of his wrong interpretation of Bible Scripture. Doesn't like to be corrected, so throws out insults instead at those who disagree with his convoluted view of Bible Scripture.

In the title of this thread you say Premill does not mean pre-trib rapture. But, those who believe in a pre-trib rapture are also Premills along with those who believe in a post-trib rapture since they would agree with what you said here.

Brethren in Christ: Naturally... those of man's FALSE theories of Amillennialism don't like it when someone like me points out how they LIE with trying... to make the Premill doctrine of the 1st century A.D. Church to be an idea started by those like John Darby in 1830's Britain with the FALSE Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. Amill's don't like their LIES against Premill exposed!

The 1st century A.D. Christian Church held to the idea that Jesus returns to gather His saints AFTER the great tribulation, but just before His future "thousand years" reign of Revelation 20. They held to that because that is what is written in Bible Scripture. That Jesus returns just prior to His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 is the Premill idea.

Man's FALSE Amill theories only began in the 2nd century A.D.

So when some IDIOT tries... to claim that man's false Pre-trib Rapture school in the 1830's is how the Premill idea got started, it is so.... EASY to know they are LYING through their teeth to push a FALSE AGENDA of men! And most likely that means they are either DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL, or intentionally work for him. You choose.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Above shows only how Spiritual Israelite doesn't like rebuke because of his wrong interpretation of Bible Scripture. Doesn't like to be corrected, so throws out insults instead at those who disagree with his convoluted view of Bible Scripture.

Awwww, poor little Davy. He can dish it out, but can't take it. Typical.

Brethren in Christ: Naturally... those of man's FALSE theories of Amillennialism don't like it when someone like me points out how they LIE with trying... to make the Premill doctrine of the 1st century A.D. Church to be an idea started by those like John Darby in 1830's Britain with the FALSE Pre-tribulational Rapture theory. Amill's don't like their LIES against Premill exposed!

I never said any such thing, liar. I do not claim that all Premills are dispensationalists. I do not claim that Premillennialism was started in the 1830's. That was pre-trib dispensationalism.

Man's FALSE Amill theories only began in the 2nd century A.D.

That is a lie for which you have no proof to support. Why are you okay with being a liar? Lying is a sin.

So when some IDIOT tries... to claim that man's false Pre-trib Rapture school in the 1830's is how the Premill idea got started, it is so.... EASY to know they are LYING through their teeth to push a FALSE AGENDA of men! And most likely that means they are either DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL, or intentionally work for him. You choose.

LOL at you complaining about insults when you call someone an "IDIOT". Hypocrite. Who claimed that Premill started when Pre-trib did? No one. You are paranoid.

 

[Davy]

Awwww, poor little Davy. He can dish it out, but can't take it. Typical.

Too Biblically illiterate to respond with Bible proof, so must resort to personal insult, that's the false JEW's way for sure there, proving what Apostle Paul said about them...

Titus 1:10-14
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

I never said any such thing, liar. I do not claim that all Premills are dispensationalists. I do not claim that Premillennialism was started in the 1830's. That was pre-trib dispensationalism.

Sure you did, when you tried... to point the Premill doctrine to Pre-tribbers, like a 'guilt by association' ploy.

That is a lie for which you have no proof to support. Why are you okay with being a liar? Lying is a sin.

No, that the theory of Amill began only in the 2nd century A.D. is HISTORICAL FACT.

Origen of Alexandria was the first one to propose Amill theory, and he lived in the 2nd century A.D., and was later ex-communicated because of his ALLEGORICAL teaching of literal Bible Scripture.

All of the 1st century Church Fathers were Premill believers.

And I've noticed Amill support websites that LIE... even TRY to use some of those early Church fathers as having 'planted' the roots of Amillennialism, though it was admitted they were not Amillennialists themselves! Who could come up with such LIES as that even against the early Premill Church fathers? Only the devil's children would do that who could care less about those early Church father's writings and beliefs of sound doctrine per Bible Scripture.

LOL at you complaining about insults when you call someone an "IDIOT". Hypocrite. Who claimed that Premill started when Pre-trib did? No one. You are paranoid.

If the shoe fits, wear it, I always say. And some are more deserving than others.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Too Biblically illiterate to respond with Bible proof, so must resort to personal insult, that's the false JEW's way for sure there, proving what Apostle Paul said about them...

Titus 1:10-14
10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
KJV

Look in the mirror. You resort to personal insults with almost every post you make, hypocrite.

Sure you did, when you tried... to point the Premill doctrine to Pre-tribbers, like a 'guilt by association' ploy.

Where did I claim in any way, shape or form that I I believe all Premills are pre-tribbers? NOWHERE, buddy. Stop lying. I only indicated that pre-tribbers are also premills, which is a FACT. But, not all Premills are pre-tribbers and I've never stated any such thing. Your horrible reading comprehension skills are failing you yet again.

No, that the theory of Amill began only in the 2nd century A.D. is HISTORICAL FACT.

No, that is a LIE. You are so AFRAID to debate Amill with SCRIPTURE that you have to resort to LIES like this instead.

Origen of Alexandria was the first one to propose Amill theory, and he lived in the 2nd century A.D., and was later ex-communicated because of his ALLEGORICAL teaching of literal Bible Scripture.

How do you think this OPINION is a FACT? Facts are things that can be proven. You are proving nothing here.

All of the 1st century Church Fathers were Premill believers.

LOL. No, they were not. You have no support for that claim whatsoever.

And I've noticed Amill support websites that LIE... even TRY to use some of those early Church fathers as having 'planted' the roots of Amillennialism, though it was admitted they were not Amillennialists themselves! Who could come up with such LIES as that even against the early Premill Church fathers? Only the devil's children would do that who could care less about those early Church father's writings and beliefs of sound doctrine per Bible Scripture.

This is a waste of time trying to prove what the early church fathers believed. There were disagreements from the BEGINNING on doctrine, so it's FOOLISH to act like they were all in agreement on this in the first century.

If the shoe fits, wear it, I always say. And some are more deserving than others.

The shoe fits you perfectly.

 

[Davy]

Look in the mirror. You resort to personal insults with almost every post you make, hypocrite.


Where did I claim in any way, shape or form that I I believe all Premills are pre-tribbers? NOWHERE, buddy. Stop lying. I only indicated that pre-tribbers are also premills, which is a FACT. But, not all Premills are pre-tribbers and I've never stated any such thing. Your horrible reading comprehension skills are failing you yet again.

No sense in trying to recant your lies, you've already been caught.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No sense in trying to recant your lies, you've already been caught.

So, don't act like a true Christian and admit that I never said that all Premills are pre-tribbers or anything. You're not interested in being honest like a Christian should be.

 

[Davy]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Here is something that Spiritual Israelite wrote in his Thread 'Why do Premillennianlists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?


Spiritual Israelite said, and I quote:

"So, what can we learn about what Paul is saying in 1 Thess 5:2-3 from what Peter said about the same event in 2 Peter 3:10-13? We can see what causes the "sudden destruction" that Paul said will occur when Jesus comes as a thief in the night from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape". It will be fire that comes down on the entire earth. No wonder Paul said "they shall not escape". How could any mortals escape that? They can't. So, why can't Premills acknowledge that they can't reconcile 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 with their Premill beliefs?"​

Spiritual Israelite in what he said above groups ALL... Premills with that accusation of not believing Paul's 1 Thess.5:2-3 "day of the Lord" event being the same event as Peter's 2 Peter 3:10 "day of the Lord" event and both as the same time.

I am Premill, and I DO... believe those 2 Scriptures agree as being the SAME TIME and EVENT.

It is those on man's false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory that don't believe those 2 Scriptures are the same event and time.

Thus my claim that Spiritual Israelite grouped ALL... Premil believers in that still stands. He is in error, because NOT ALL Premillennialists are on the doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture.


And another thing about his above Thread reference to 2 Peter 3:10-13...

ONLY the 2 Peter 3:10-12 verses are about that time of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 Scripture. That 2 Peter 3:13 verse is about God's future new heavens and a new earth that DOES NOT YET COME on the "day of the Lord".

Spiritual Israelite only assumes... that 2 Peter 3:13 verse happens on the "day of the Lord" simply because that's what the deceivers who push the false Amill theory have taught him to believe. Man's false Amill theory is EASY to know it is false, because Amill theory relies upon the wicked being destroyed on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming on the "day of the Lord", when God's Word shows differently...

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

That "synagogue of Satan" represents Christ greatest enemies here on earth, the actual servants of the devil, the devil's own elect. They have NEVER to this day bowed the knee in worship of Christ at the feet of His elect. Jesus said that to His elect Church of Philadelphia which He had no problem with. That will happen ONLY for after His future return when ALL... knees will bow to Him as LORD and KING. So it don't take much brain power to grasp that the wicked are NOT all destroyed on the day of Christ's future coming on the "day of the Lord" that Paul and Peter were pointing to.

Revelation 22:14-15 is yet another Scripture showing the wicked existing outside the future new Jerusalem, while Christ's elect are allowed to enter the gates of the city and unto the Tree of Life. Revelation 20:7-9 also is another view of the wicked still existing after Christ's future return, as Satan in final will deceive those unsaved nations to go up against the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" that will be on earth at that time after Christ's return, even a "thousand years" after Christ's return the Scriptures states. Same things with the leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this world, being made to worship Christ as KING after His coming, and their being made to keep the Feast of Tabernacles, this per Zechariah 14:16-19.

And even Scripture in The Gospel of Matthew is about the wicked still existing after Christ's future return when He mentioned their being cast to the "outer darkness" (Matt.8:12; Matt.22:13; Matt.25:30). That's the place which the Revelation 22:15 verse is showing with the wicked being outside the gates of the beloved city new Jerusalem.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

Here is something that Spiritual Israelite wrote in his Thread 'Why do Premillennianlists not believe that 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event?


Spiritual Israelite said, and I quote:

"So, what can we learn about what Paul is saying in 1 Thess 5:2-3 from what Peter said about the same event in 2 Peter 3:10-13? We can see what causes the "sudden destruction" that Paul said will occur when Jesus comes as a thief in the night from which those in spiritual darkness "shall not escape". It will be fire that comes down on the entire earth. No wonder Paul said "they shall not escape". How could any mortals escape that? They can't. So, why can't Premills acknowledge that they can't reconcile 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 with their Premill beliefs?"​

Spiritual Israelite in what he said above groups ALL... Premills with that accusation of not believing Paul's 1 Thess.5:2-3 "day of the Lord" event being the same event as Peter's 2 Peter 3:10 "day of the Lord" event and both as the same time.

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

This evil liar Davy neglected to quote what I said at the beginning of the original post in that thread, which was this:

I don't know how anyone can deny that the following two passages are about the same event, but most Premills do deny that and it is those Premills that I am addressing here.

As you can see, I did NOT say that all Premills deny that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event. But, this guy has no conscience about lying, so he tells lies constantly about others since he is not able to prove his view with scripture.

I am Premill, and I DO... believe those 2 Scriptures agree as being the SAME TIME and EVENT.

And I never said otherwise, LIAR.

It is those on man's false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory that don't believe those 2 Scriptures are the same event and time.

No, it is also some Post-trib Premils who have denied it as well. They know that 2 Peter 3:10-12 talks about fire coming down on the entire earth, so they push that passage 1,000+ years in the future after Christ's return.

Thus my claim that Spiritual Israelite grouped ALL... Premil believers in that still stands. He is in error, because NOT ALL Premillennialists are on the doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture.

Nowhere have I said that all Premills are pre-tribs. You LIE incessantly.

 

[covenantee]

BRETHREN IN CHRIST:

This evil liar Davy neglected to quote what I said at the beginning of the original post in that thread, which was this:



As you can see, I did NOT say that all Premills deny that 1 Thess 5:2-3 and 2 Peter 3:10-13 refer to the same event. But, this guy has no conscience about lying, so he tells lies constantly about others since he is not able to prove his view with scripture.


And I never said otherwise, LIAR.


No, it is also some Post-trib Premils who have denied it as well. They know that 2 Peter 3:10-12 talks about fire coming down on the entire earth, so they push that passage 1,000+ years in the future after Christ's return.


Nowhere have I said that all Premills are pre-tribs. You LIE incessantly.

Someone who claims that all of the Protestant Reformers were occultists, has no compunction about claiming anything about anyone.

 

[Davy]

Someone who claims that all of the Protestant Reformers were occultists, has no compunction about claiming anything about anyone.

The LIARS here have already been well shown up.

My post #13 here revealed one of the biggest ones.

The others of course are guilty by association with that big one.

 

[covenantee]

The LIARS here have already been well shown up.

My post #13 here revealed one of the biggest ones.

The others of course are guilty by association with that big one.

So you admit that amils are not occultists?

 

[Davy]

So you admit that amils are not occultists?

I admit no such idea. That's what YOU say.

Yet the Amill doctrine, which began to creep into the Christian Church at the same time when pagan Gnostics crept in, reveals it is a doctrine by them.

And the Amill doctrine is not... the only doctrine of men from occult tradition that is taught in the Christian Church today.

What is MOST amazing about those brethren deceived on that false Amill doctrine is how they fail to see its direct connection with Satan's plan at the end of this world for a "one world government", or "New World Order". That's about the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom that Satan will setup at the end of this world; it is almost complete today, as Satan's servants on earth today have been busy preparing for his coming to sit on a throne as king in Jerusalem over all nations and peoples.

For example... Amill includes versions that wrongly believes Christ's Kingdom has already come here on earth, literally, and that it's just a matter of time when all peoples will convert to Christ.

God's written Word does NOT teach that, but men's doctrines pushing a future imaginary Utopian "one world government" or "New World Order" does push that idea, because that idea is actually from deceived Christian Churches that have been serving... the "one world government" globalists in their one-world goals.

Many of those deceived Churches are on men's false Amill theories, Kingdom Now, Millennium Now, and such ideas. It's like they have completely OMITTED any and all Bible Scripture warnings about the coming one-world beast kingdom that's to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, and how it will make spiritual war against Christ's Church (Revelation 13). Now just WHO... would want Christians to latch hold of those kind of Kingdom Now beliefs in order for them to support Satan's coming "one world government" beast kingdom? Satan's host of servants, that's who.

 

[covenantee]

I admit no such idea. That's what YOU say.

Yet the Amill doctrine, which began to creep into the Christian Church at the same time when pagan Gnostics crept in, reveals it is a doctrine by them.

And the Amill doctrine is not... the only doctrine of men from occult tradition that is taught in the Christian Church today.

What is MOST amazing about those brethren deceived on that false Amill doctrine is how they fail to see its direct connection with Satan's plan at the end of this world for a "one world government", or "New World Order". That's about the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom that Satan will setup at the end of this world; it is almost complete today, as Satan's servants on earth today have been busy preparing for his coming to sit on a throne as king in Jerusalem over all nations and peoples.

For example... Amill includes versions that wrongly believes Christ's Kingdom has already come here on earth, literally, and that it's just a matter of time when all peoples will convert to Christ.

God's written Word does NOT teach that, but men's doctrines pushing a future imaginary Utopian "one world government" or "New World Order" does push that idea, because that idea is actually from deceived Christian Churches that have been serving... the "one world government" globalists in their one-world goals.

Many of those deceived Churches are on men's false Amill theories, Kingdom Now, Millennium Now, and such ideas. It's like they have completely OMITTED any and all Bible Scripture warnings about the coming one-world beast kingdom that's to have ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, and how it will make spiritual war against Christ's Church (Revelation 13). Now just WHO... would want Christians to latch hold of those kind of Kingdom Now beliefs in order for them to support Satan's coming "one world government" beast kingdom? Satan's host of servants, that's who.

So you believe that the Protestant Reformers, through whose sacrifice you are able to disparage on this forum, were occultists?

 

[Davy]

So you believe that the Protestant Reformers, through whose sacrifice you are able to disparage on this forum, were occultists?

What is with you man??

You keep trying to put words in my mouth that I DID NOT SAY!

And FYI, my French ancestors were Huguenots, the first French Protestants in France that the Catholic Church persecuted. That's how my ancestors came to the American colonies in the 1600's.

But do I agree with their Reformation beliefs that the pope is Antichrist because of that persecution, like they did? Goodness NO! That old Remformer's ideas about a pope did not pan out according to Bible Scripture.

And those still pushing that OLD Reformer's belief that DID NOT COME TRUE, most likely is being done by Jews as propaganda who hate the Catholic Church.