The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[Marty fox]

Incorrect. Apollyon “IS” Satan.

Revelation 9:11

• "And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon."

Actually, Satan is not an Angel, he is a SPIRIT, the "messenger" of evil, and Apollyon (or Abaddon) is Satan, that very same spirit and king ruling over the deceived. Satan doesn't give command to Apollyon, Satan is Apollyon. That word means destruction, and that is the epitome of what he does here. He is the king or ruler of this spiritual army from the abyss, and what he brings is death to these people. This Hebrew word [abaddon] only occurs here in the New Testament and 5 times in the Old Testament (Job 26:6; 28:22; 31:12; Psalm 88:11; Prov 15:11 ) and always relates to death, which this messenger from hell/hades brings to the unfaithful congregation (those in it who are not truly sealed).

Satan's interest is absolutely in attacking the church, and in Revelation 20 when he is loosed God makes that point even more abundantly clear. It's the evil spirit Satan's "whole persona" and reason for existence. He is the absolute quintessential adversary of the church, not the world which is already his domain. The world is his own, it's already his kingdom that he's not fighting against because a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand. The word of God encourages us to make our calling and election sure not because Satan has no interest in attacking the church, but because that is his whole character, his entire modus operandi. Satan isn't loosed to attack his own kingdom, but as judgment upon the unfaithful church, just as in the old Testament God loosed wicked empires upon Israel as judgment for their rebellions. The fact is, the judgment and apostasy comes specifically because Satan is loosed by God upon a rebellious church that will not receive His truth in the love wherewith it was given. Apostasy is a falling away of the church, not a falling away of the world. The world is already fallen.

2nd Thessalonians 2:9-11

• "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
• And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
• And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
• That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

The false Christs and false prophets that come to deceive are attacking the church, and who do they deceive there? Under rule of the Apollyon, the great destroyer Satan, they bring the rebellious church to desolation by deceiving those men within it that do not have the seal of God in their foreheads.

Revelation 7:2-3

• "And I saw another messenger ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four messengers, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
• Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads."

That's the whole reason Satan was bound in the bottomless pit, so that He could not go forth deceiving the nations until after the 144,000 of Israel were all sealed (secured) with the Spirit of promise. But once the church has done its job, their testimony finished, then he is loosed as locusts upon the grass. The point being NOTuntil God has sealed/saved everyone that He intends to save.

For example, those who have not made their calling and election sure (2nd Peter 1:10). God brings this spiritual judgment of delusion upon His Temple because these are those who would not receive the love of truth (2nd Thessalonians 2:12), instead getting their pleasure from unrighteousness. The destroyer comes up against the camp of the saints, not his own camp and his own people and his own kingdom.

Selah.

Sorry but could you please tell me what was the number of my quote that you replied to if you can? I can’t quite remember posting it

Yes you are correct apollyon also known as abbadon is also satan I have posted about that and also use the night of all the first born killed in Egypt as proof as it was the destroyer who did it.

My point is that the time of the locus being released out of the abyss isn’t the same time as satans release in chapter 20. Revelation doesn’t even say that Apollyon was released in that chapter just that he is the king of the abyss

 

[CTK]

Hello Charlie, the text of Rev 20 tells us (vs 4) the martyred saints lived and reigned with Christ for 'a' thousand years, and it also tells us the blessed and holy, those of the first resurrection (vs 6) shall reign with Christ 'a' thousand years. John also writes (vs 5) the rest of the dead lived not again until 'the' thousand years were finished. Then John writes "this is the first resurrection." Both 'a' thousand and 'the' thousand years speak of the same period of time. This time is when mankind is either physically alive living/reigning with Christ, have physically died who are still living "souls" in heaven, OR those belonging to the DEAD who NEVER in physical life live and reign with Christ. That's why they are called "the rest of the dead" who shall not live until the thousand years is finished. The rest of the DEAD are not part of the "first resurrection" that man MUST have part in to overcome the second death (vs 6). Why? Because none shall be physically resurrected until 'the' thousand years have finished. Only those saints who have died in faith, with those who shall be blessed and holy before they die "shall reign with him a thousand years." How can both living and martyred saints live and reign with Christ for ONE thousand years of physical time since John shows us the thousand years are not limited to time when mankind of faith is physically alive on this earth?

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those having part in the first resurrection and overcome the second death, being priest of God and of Christ both have lived and reigned and shall reign with Christ "a thousand years." How can this time be literal since it is time that has expired for all who have physically died in faith, but also time when the "blessed and holy he that hath part in the first resurrection" and overcome the second death, have lived and shall live?

Notice also that John shows us the fate for the rest of the DEAD when he writes after the thousand years have finished ALL of the DEAD both small and great shall be called to stand before the great white throne to give account before God according to what is found written in the books and the book of life. These shall only be made physically alive again to be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. The DEAD after the thousand years have finished are only made alive to die forever.

Revelation 20:12-15 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We clearly see the first resurrection man MUST have part in to overcome the second death (LOF) is spiritual and not physical. It is not physically ONE thousand years of time, but rather "a thousand years" symbolizes the time man is living in since Christ has come to earth a man, making Himself the first to physically resurrect from the dead to never die again.

The Bible makes no mention of a "second" resurrection separated by one thousand years of time. It speaks only of the first resurrection which is of Christ, and the bodily resurrection that shall be for ALL who are in the graves that shall be in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds, and time shall be no longer. The physical resurrection to come does not separate saints and sinners. ALL in the graves are resurrected in an hour that is coming. The saints, those having done good in life bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible, and those who have done evil resurrected to be cast into the lake of fire, the second death.

Thank you for your deep and detailed thoughts. If you don’t mind, I will have to take some time to understand all of this. But knowing your work it is worth spending the time to learn more …

 

[Davy]

My point is that the time of the locus being released out of the abyss isn’t the same time as satans release in chapter 20. Revelation doesn’t even say that Apollyon was released in that chapter just that he is the king of the abyss

Indirectly... Rev.9 does show when Satan is loosed for the "great tribulation". One simply must be mindful of other Bible Scripture that links to with more detail...

Rev 9:12-15
12 One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.

The 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe Period is getting ready to occur at this point... Christ returns on the 7th Trumpet - 3rd Woe per Rev.11. So the 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe must... represent the "great tribulation" timing.

13 And the sixth angel sounded, and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,

14 Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet, Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
15 And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
KJV

That idea of that "prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year" is an expression for a very specific event at the end of this world with that 6th Trumpet - 2nd Woe Period. It's the "great tribulation" timing that flows from this point in Rev.9:13 all the way to Revelation 11:14.


Rev 16:12-14
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
KJV

Per Old Testament history, the Euphrates river represented the most northern border of old Israel. It separated Israel from its northern enemies. Here in Revelation it is used as a symbol for the separation of Satan (that "dragon") and his host coming to cause the "great tribulation" by crossing that symbolic Euphrates river border.

Thus the Revelation 9:15 Scripture actually is... pointing to Satan's coming with his army, as that beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit.

 

[WPM]

Would you also please answer the question regarding the verse showing the 1000 years?

It means a long time. It is a book full of symbolism. Do you really believe the devil has got seven heads? Of course not. Do you believe that antichrist is only going to reign for one hour at the end? Of course not.

 

[WPM]

Brethren in Christ, those who can actually 'read' for themselves... Truth7t7 is telling a FAT LIE against Christ's future LITERAL "thousand years" reign with His elect saints for AFTER the time of "great tribulation"... AS WRITTEN...

Rev 20:1-6
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
KJV

Truth7t7 even is using a forum name that is actually a disguise, so that he can push lies here and make the Biblically illiterate think he represents God's Truth. Those he is listening to are followers of the devil, and the devil well understands Bible Scripture, but goes against God and His Christ and His Word, adding or taking away from it so at to twist it. The devil's position that Truth7t7 is on is the FALSE theory of Amillennialism which wholly rejects the above simple literal Revelation 20 Scripture about Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect saints.

The above timing shown there in Revelation 20 is EASY, because it shows the time when Satan is locked in his pit prison so that he CANNOT DECEIVE the nations, which to this day, has NOT YET happened (See 1 Peter 5:8).

Also in that Revelation 20 Scripture above is shown a time of the saints for AFTER the "great tribulation". That because the time of that false worship of the beast, or worship of his image, or receiving his mark of the beast in one's forehead or hand, is for the "great tribulation" time at the very end of this world, which Jesus returns to end that working and gather His saints. Thus the above Revelation 20:1-6 verses are clearly post-tribulation timing with Christ having returned.

A time marker in the above Scripture that reveals it is post-tribulation timing after Christ has returned is that manifesting of those saints who went through the "great tribulation" (along with the other saints), have then been literally made "priests of God and of Christ". That will occur only at Christ's future return and gathering of His Church and handing out His rewards to His faithful elect saints.

And yet another marker the above Scripture is only for after Christ's future return is that idea of those saints representing the "first resurrection". That resurrection of the saints that have died is still... future to us today, as it will only happen on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, the last day of this world like Jesus said in John 6:40.

Like the old saying, 'Even a blind hog can find an acorn sometimes', those like Truth7t7 who listen to the devil's doctrines for the blind cannot even find all the many 'acorns' in that above Revelation 20 Scripture about Christ's future LITERAL "thousand years" reign with His elect priests.

You're getting more and more desperate and vicious with your comments. You're obviously frustrated because you've got no corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 20. What is more, you have no rebuttal for Amillennialism.

 

[Davy]

You're getting more and more desperate and vicious with your comments. You're obviously frustrated because you've got no corroboration for your opinion of Revelation 20. What is more, you have no rebuttal for Amillennialism.

I'm just telling the Truth about those who tell lies against God's Word, and I prove it by The Scriptures as written.

So you didn't notice what I covered from the Rev.20 Scripture I posted, it's obvious. It's also obvious with your above response where things you view as important lay, certainly not with that Rev.20 Scripture as written it would appear.

So the next time you feel that you want to speak out, learn to do it with following Bible Scripture instead of your own silly opinions which can't stand the weight of God's Truth in His Word apparently.

 

[WPM]

The logic would be this then. He is bound so that he can't deceive the nations to battle anymore until the thousand years are finished. Which then begs the question. What nations was he initially deceiving to battle before getting bound 2000 years ago? After all, what he does after the thousand years has to be the same thing he was doing before the thousand years. Otherwise, it makes nonsense out of the 'no more' part'. Keeping in mind, in the real world, for example, when someone gets locked up it is because of what they were doing, not what they weren't doing.

This has been explained to you a thousand times (figuratively). Scripture repeatedly uses prison, chains and bondage in a figurative sense. It is identified with the spiritual bondage of the unregenerate. The chains that were on the Gentiles before the cross have now been placed on the devil. The Gentiles are now without excuse. This did not mean that the Gentiles could not move about, do evil or that they were physically locked up, it just meant that they were spiritually curtailed.

 

[Davy]

It means a long time. It is a book full of symbolism. Do you really believe the devil has got seven heads? Of course not. Do you believe that antichrist is only going to reign for one hour at the end? Of course not.

Not everything... written in the Book of Revelation is symbolism.

It is stupid for anyone to claim the whole Book is symbolism, as that is only an excuse used by Satan's servants to try and change the Book of Revelation as written.

The "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is NOT... symbolism.

If it were, then Rev.20 would reveal info leading to what it as a symbol means. Yet that is NOT how the "thousand years" is represented in Rev.20. It is represented instead as a LITERAL period of time.

 

[Marty fox]

Hello Charlie, the text of Rev 20 tells us (vs 4) the martyred saints lived and reigned with Christ for 'a' thousand years, and it also tells us the blessed and holy, those of the first resurrection (vs 6) shall reign with Christ 'a' thousand years. John also writes (vs 5) the rest of the dead lived not again until 'the' thousand years were finished. Then John writes "this is the first resurrection." Both 'a' thousand and 'the' thousand years speak of the same period of time. This time is when mankind is either physically alive living/reigning with Christ, have physically died who are still living "souls" in heaven, OR those belonging to the DEAD who NEVER in physical life live and reign with Christ. That's why they are called "the rest of the dead" who shall not live until the thousand years is finished. The rest of the DEAD are not part of the "first resurrection" that man MUST have part in to overcome the second death (vs 6). Why? Because none shall be physically resurrected until 'the' thousand years have finished. Only those saints who have died in faith, with those who shall be blessed and holy before they die "shall reign with him a thousand years." How can both living and martyred saints live and reign with Christ for ONE thousand years of physical time since John shows us the thousand years are not limited to time when mankind of faith is physically alive on this earth?

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those having part in the first resurrection and overcome the second death, being priest of God and of Christ both have lived and reigned and shall reign with Christ "a thousand years." How can this time be literal since it is time that has expired for all who have physically died in faith, but also time when the "blessed and holy he that hath part in the first resurrection" and overcome the second death, have lived and shall live?

Notice also that John shows us the fate for the rest of the DEAD when he writes after the thousand years have finished ALL of the DEAD both small and great shall be called to stand before the great white throne to give account before God according to what is found written in the books and the book of life. These shall only be made physically alive again to be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death. The DEAD after the thousand years have finished are only made alive to die forever.

Revelation 20:12-15 (KJV) And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

We clearly see the first resurrection man MUST have part in to overcome the second death (LOF) is spiritual and not physical. It is not physically ONE thousand years of time, but rather "a thousand years" symbolizes the time man is living in since Christ has come to earth a man, making Himself the first to physically resurrect from the dead to never die again.

The Bible makes no mention of a "second" resurrection separated by one thousand years of time. It speaks only of the first resurrection which is of Christ, and the bodily resurrection that shall be for ALL who are in the graves that shall be in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds, and time shall be no longer. The physical resurrection to come does not separate saints and sinners. ALL in the graves are resurrected in an hour that is coming. The saints, those having done good in life bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible, and those who have done evil resurrected to be cast into the lake of fire, the second death.

Great post thanks but I would like to add that you also explained the difference between the thousand year reigning and the thousand year binding.

Both sets of thousand years starts at the cross and resurrection but both sets of thousand years end at different times.

The thousand year binding ends in revelation chapter 20:7 when it states and satan is released but the thousand year binding ends at the end of our world as verse 5 states at the great white throne judgement when the rest of the dead rise.

We don’t reign because satan is bound satan being bound makes no difference to the reigning we reign because of Jesus.

 

[Davy]

Great post thanks but I would like to add that you also explained the difference between the thousand year reigning and the thousand year binding.

Both sets of thousand years starts at the cross and resurrection but both sets of thousand years end at different times.

The thousand year binding ends in revelation chapter 20:7 when it states and satan is released but the thousand year binding ends at the end of our world as verse 5 states at the great white throne judgement when the rest of the dead rise.

We don’t reign because satan is bound satan being bound makes no difference to the reigning we reign because of Jesus.

There... above, is an example of how those influenced by Satan treat the literal "thousand years" period of Rev.20 as if it were only symbolism. Then those take that "thousand years" and create all kinds... of card games with it! It's easy to see how they lie against God's written Word. They will have their reward. It's not long in coming.

 

[CTK]

The Bible makes no mention of a "second" resurrection separated by one thousand years of time. It speaks only of the first resurrection which is of Christ, and the bodily resurrection that shall be for ALL who are in the graves that shall be in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds, and time shall be no longer. The physical resurrection to come does not separate saints and sinners. ALL in the graves are resurrected in an hour that is coming. The saints, those having done good in life bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible, and those who have done evil resurrected to be cast into the lake of fire, the second death.

Ok and thanks again for your thoughts. It appears that many contend that Revelation is entirely symbolized ... it is not. Certainly, much of it is and they can be easily (somewhat) determined to be so. However, I believe the 1000 years is not symbolic but literal. In a previous response to Truth7t7, and maybe another member, I spoke of the "timeline" and sequence of events that would take place at the end of time - these are not symbolic, these represent literal activity where Jesus will return to take with Him those that placed their faith in Him and to address those that rejected Him = as well as these events also tie literally with His dealings with both the little horn, the false prophet (first coming), and Satan. Later, He returns after the 1000 years to deal with those in their graves - the only ones who rejected Him as well as throwing Satan into the LOF - these are all literal events.

So, hopefully, I read and understood your interpretation correctly and compared it to mine and here is a brief summary of the major issues between our interpetations. Please let me know if I have not expressed your interpretation correctly:


1. Interpretation of "a thousand years" as symbolic

• Your View: "A thousand years" is symbolic and not literal. It represents a spiritual reign that began with Christ's resurrection and continues indefinitely.
• My View: The repeated reference to "a thousand years" (six times in Revelation 20) indicates a literal time period. John uses clear chronological language, describing a literal sequence of events, including Satan’s binding, resurrection of the righteous, reign of the saints, and eventual judgment.

2. The First Resurrection is spiritual, not physical

• Your View: The "first resurrection" is spiritual in nature—referring to the new birth or salvation experience of believers.
• My View: The text clearly describes souls of martyred saints coming to life and reigning with Christ (v.4). The contrast with "the rest of the dead" (v.5) points to a literal, bodily resurrection. A spiritual resurrection would not fit the context of two distinct resurrections separated by 1,000 years.

3. The dead are not resurrected until after the 1,000 years

• Your View: No one is physically resurrected during the 1,000 years; only after the symbolic millennium will all be raised at once for judgment.
• My View: Revelation 20:4 explicitly states that those beheaded for Christ come to life and reign with Him for 1,000 years. This is a literal resurrection of believers, contrasted with the second resurrection of unbelievers after the 1,000 years (v.5).

4. No two resurrections separated by 1,000 years

• Your View: There is only one general resurrection of both righteous and wicked at the end of time.
• My View: Revelation 20 introduces a two-resurrection model: (1) the first resurrection of the righteous to reign with Christ during the Millennium, and (2) the resurrection of the wicked after the 1,000 years for final judgment (v.5, v.11–15). This aligns with Jesus’ teaching in John 5:28–29, but Revelation adds the detail of their separation by a thousand years.

5. The reigning saints include only the spiritually alive

• Your View: Those reigning with Christ are simply believers in heaven, spiritually alive, not physically resurrected.
• My View: John sees "souls" of the martyrs who are then said to "come to life" and reign with Christ (v.4). This suggests a physical resurrection. The term "souls" is used similarly in Revelation 6:9 but is followed by resurrection language in chapter 20.

6. The 1,000 years cannot include both the living and the dead

• Your View: It's inconsistent for both physically living believers and the dead in Christ to be said to reign together for 1,000 years.
• My View: The millennial reign includes both resurrected saints (those who died) and believers who are alive at Christ’s coming and are transformed (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17). All reign together with Christ during this literal kingdom age.

7. General resurrection at the last trumpet includes all

• Your View: All people—righteous and wicked—will be bodily resurrected at once, in one hour, when the last trumpet sounds.
• My View: While John 5:28–29 speaks of a general resurrection, Revelation 20 adds detail and reveals these are two separate events. The “hour” can mean "appointed time," not a single moment. Paul (1 Cor. 15:23–24) and Revelation 20 together show an order: Christ, then those who are His at His coming, then the end.

8. The first resurrection = Jesus only

• Your View: The "first resurrection" is Jesus' resurrection.
• My View: Jesus is the "first fruits" (1 Cor. 15:20), but Revelation 20:5–6 defines the first resurrection as the resurrection of the saints who reign with Christ. It includes all believers who are raised to life before the Millennium.

9. The second death is spiritual death after final judgment

• Both or our Views Agree: Those not in the book of life are cast into the lake of fire—the second death.
• Difference: Your view places this after the literal 1,000-year reign and the second resurrection, following a clear and ordered timeline.

 

[Marty fox]

There... above, is an example of how those influenced by Satan treat the literal "thousand years" period of Rev.20 as if it were only symbolism. Then those take that "thousand years" and create all kinds... of card games with it! It's easy to see how they lie against God's written Word. They will have their reward. It's not long in coming.

Having a different interpretation of you about scripture doesn’t make anyone a liar just they they have a different interpretation.

I didn’t just make it just symbolism I showed that it’s symbolism to a spiritual reigning and binding. I also showed that the scriptures show the reigning and binding ends at different times

 

[Davy]

Having a different interpretation of you about scripture doesn’t make anyone a liar just they they have a different interpretation.

I didn’t just make it just symbolism I showed that it’s symbolism to a spiritual reigning and binding. I also showed that the scriptures show the reigning and binding ends at different times

There are folks here on man's false Amill theories that literally LIE... against the written Bible Scriptures. And one the major things they LIE about, which the Amill doctrine is designed to cause, is thinking that Christ's literal PHYISICAL Kingdom has already come today upon today's earth, when it has not, simply because per God's written Word, it REQUIRES the bodily coming of Lord Jesus Christ back to this earth to reign over all nations with His "rod of iron".

Instead for the end of this world, what is coming to show this present time is NOT Christ's Kingdom literally manifested here on earth today?

The coming one-world beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, reigned over by the "dragon" (Satan himself) and his host, ON EARTH, over ALL nations and people for a period of 42 MONTHS (Revelation 13).

And per Matthew 24; Mark 13; 2 Thessalonians 2; 2 Corinthians 11; and Revelation 13:11 forward, God's Word warns His faithful Church about the coming of a singular false-Messiah/Antichrist that will play GOD on earth in the sight of men, working great signs, wonders, and miracles that will deceive the whole world, except Christ's elect.

That is what is coming, and the deceived on the devil's Amill theories are not prepared for it, but instead think today already is Christ's Kingdom manifest on earth, and that it's just a matter of time before all... peoples on earth today convert to Lord Jesus Christ. That idea is NOT written in God's Word, because it instead is a LIE by the devil and his host which are preparing all of today's nations to worship him instead.

 

[WPM]

Not everything... written in the Book of Revelation is symbolism.

It is stupid for anyone to claim the whole Book is symbolism, as that is only an excuse used by Satan's servants to try and change the Book of Revelation as written.

The "thousand years" of Revelation 20 is NOT... symbolism.

If it were, then Rev.20 would reveal info leading to what it as a symbol means. Yet that is NOT how the "thousand years" is represented in Rev.20. It is represented instead as a LITERAL period of time.

Is the beast going to reign for just one hour at the end?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Sorry but could you please tell me what was the number of my quote that you replied to if you can? I can’t quite remember posting it

Yes you are correct apollyon also known as abbadon is also satan I have posted about that and also use the night of all the first born killed in Egypt as proof as it was the destroyer who did it.

My point is that the time of the locus being released out of the abyss isn’t the same time as satans release in chapter 20. Revelation doesn’t even say that Apollyon was released in that chapter just that he is the king of the abyss

It says that the pit is opened in Revelation 9, so why would you not think Satan would be released at that point?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not everything... written in the Book of Revelation is symbolism.

It is stupid for anyone to claim the whole Book is symbolism,

No one says that, you goofy person you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There... above, is an example of how those influenced by Satan treat the literal "thousand years" period of Rev.20 as if it were only symbolism. Then those take that "thousand years" and create all kinds... of card games with it! It's easy to see how they lie against God's written Word. They will have their reward. It's not long in coming.

Hey buddy, don't lump all Amils in one with one Amil who thinks there are two different sets of "thousand years" referenced in Revelation 20. You don't like when people lump you in with Pre-tribs, so don't lump us all together as if we all believe what he said.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The logic would be this then. He is bound so that he can't deceive the nations to battle anymore until the thousand years are finished. Which then begs the question. What nations was he initially deceiving to battle before getting bound 2000 years ago?

For one thing, it's not talking about him deceiving nations. It says what he deceives numbers "as the sand of the sea". The Greek word "ethnos" has several definitions, including "Gentiles", "heathen", "people" and so on. So, it's talking about Satan deceiving the heathen from all over the world who number as the sand of the sea to battle against the camp of the saints. In OT times, Satan held the power of death (Heb 2:14-15) and the Gentiles were without hope and "without God in the world" (Ephesians 2:11-13). Jesus changed all that with His death and resurrection and the subsequent preaching of the gospel of Christ in the power of the Holy Spirit. So, what Revelation 20:7-9 is all about is Satan again being unrestrained like in OT times when he could keep people in slavery to the fear of death because of not having the hope of eternal life. The way he does that is by silencing the gospel by drowning it out with all kinds of deception and false teaching, which is what 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 is about. That results in an increase in wickedness and many falling away from the faith.

After all, what he does after the thousand years has to be the same thing he was doing before the thousand years. Otherwise, it makes nonsense out of the 'no more' part'. Keeping in mind, in the real world, for example, when someone gets locked up it is because of what they were doing, not what they weren't doing.

Exactly. He will for a short time be allowed to do what he was able to do in OT times. Can you tell me why you believe that Satan gets a short time before Christ returns to wreak havoc in the world and then gets another short time to do that again a thousand years later?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

In another post you indicated the beast has been around since the beginning. I do not disagree with that. What about the false prophet, though? Has the false prophet also been around since the beginning? Let's not forget about him or it or they, whatever the fp might be. According to Revelation 13 the fp ascends out of the earth. It doesn't say instead that it ascends out of the pit

These martyrs recorded in Revelation 20:4---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands---there is no way that the fp did not have a hand in their martyrdom.

Revelation 20:4---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands

THe idea is to use Scripture to interpret Scripture. Which means we should be interpreting this in light of Revelation 13, for one. Anyone not doing that, interpreting Revelation 20:4---which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands--in light of Revelation 13 couldn't possibly be interpreting the timing of the thousand years correctly.

Why would you agree that the beast has been around since the beginning and then try to say that Revelation 13 and Revelation 20:4 only relate to the future? Read Revelation 20:6 which describes things that have been a reality since the resurrection of Christ (Christ reigning and His followers being priests). Why do you not take that into account?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Please consider....

1) The phrase “a thousand years” appears six times in Revelation 20:2–7. That’s unusually repetitive for such a short passage, which suggests deliberate emphasis. If the Holy Spirit intended the number to be symbolic, He would not have repeated it six times without any qualifying metaphorical language.

This is a very weak argument that has no validity whatsoever. The number of times something is referenced is not an indication one way or another as to whether or not it is symbolic. The beast is referenced over 30 times in the book of Revelation. Does that make it a literal beast?

Repetition strengthens the case for a specific, measurable time period.

No, it absolutely does not.

2) Also, Revelation 20 presents a logical timeline. This structure suggests actual, sequential events, not symbolic or overlapping metaphors. There’s nothing in the context indicating that John intended these events to be taken figuratively or as “happening in heaven” only.

1. Satan is bound​
2. The righteous are resurrected and reign with Christ​
3. After 1,000 years, Satan is released​
4. A final rebellion is crushed​
5. The final judgment takes place​

How does this view line up with the rest of scripture which tells us that Christ has been reigning since His resurrection (Matt 28:18, Eph 1:19-22), that we reign with Christ as priests since then (Rev 1:5-6, 1 Peter 2:9), that Satan had the power of death taken from him (Heb 2:14-15) and was bound by Christ and had his goods and his house spoiled (Matthew 12:28-29) and that a final rebellion is crushed at the return of Christ (2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Thess 2:1-12), followed by final judgment (Matthew 25:31-46)?

3) Verse 4 speaks of souls being resurrected (the “first resurrection”), and verse 5 contrasts that with the resurrection of the rest of the dead after the 1,000 years. If the resurrections are literal physical events, then the timeframe separating them must also be literal. You can’t have two literal resurrections separated by a symbolic interval and still keep the timeline consistent.


4) While numbers in Revelation are often symbolic (like “7,” “12,” or “144,000”), the number 1,000 is often used literally in Scripture: The symbolic use of 1,000 in poetic texts doesn’t automatically make every use of 1,000 symbolic.

The number 1,000 is often used symbolically in scripture, also. Such as in the references to God's promises made to "a thousand generations" (Deut 7:9 and a few others reference this) and to the cattle God owns on "a thousand hills" (Psalm 50:9-10). And, if you agree that the 144,000 is symbolic then realize that it's 144 times a thousand. So, the word thousand is used symbolically there, too.

In narrative prophecy, like Revelation 20, the default is literal unless something in the text clearly signals otherwise—and it doesn’t here.

We don't need to follow your man-made rules that you make in relation to the most highly symbolic book in all of scripture.

5) Symbolizing the 1,000 years blurs the clarity of key prophetic events.

No, it makes Revelation 20 agree with the rest of scripture which does not teach an earthly kingdom occuring after Jesus returns. Instead, it teaches that all believers will be changed to have immortal bodies when He returns (1 Cor 15:50-54) and that all unbelievers will be killed when He returns (Matt 24:35-39, 1 Thess 5:2-3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12).

A literal interpretation keeps these events sequential, distinct, and measurable, just as they are presented. If the 1,000 years are symbolic, then,

1. When does Satan’s binding happen?

It happened when Jesus took the power of death away from Satan by way of His death (Hebrews 2:14-15) and made it so that the gospel would be able to go out into the world to spoil the strong man's goods and his house.

1. What marks the end of that period?

A time of mass deception and wickedness. I believe 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 describes that time period and Jesus is the one who will bring it to an end by sending fire down on all of His enemies (2 Thess 1:7-10, 2 Peter 3:10-12, Rev 20:9).

1. When is the resurrection of the wicked?

When Jesus returns just after He destroys all of the wicked on the earth.

1. What distinguishes the first resurrection from the second?

Christ's resurrection is the first resurrection (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20) and all believers have part in it (Col 2:12-13, Eph 2:4-6, etc.). The second resurrection is when all of the dead are resurrected. Jesus said all of the dead will be resurrected at the same time (John 5:28-29).