Difficulty Reconciling

[Behold]

Correction : what this teaches is that believing and loving are a singular command ("Command", not "commands"),

1.) "God would that all believe in Jesus whom God sent".

Do that, and you have "believed"........and notice there is no command to love.

Or let Jesus show you..

2.) Jesus said.. "all who Believe in Me, I give unto you, eternal LIFE, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

Notice those two verses that state that God requires "believing" and Jesus said if you Believe, then He gives you Eternal life.

3.) Look at this one......"All who call (believe on the name of Jesus" shall be SAVED".

4.) "For As many as BELIEVED, God gives to them the power to become a son/daughter of God".

So, where is the "LOVE" command in those 4 verses?

5.) Notice this, also......John 3:36, says that the wrath of God REMAINS on "unbelievers", and not because they dont love.

So, what you have to do, is not just run with your one verse, as when you try to make the bible say something, or teach something, based on one verse, instead of "comparing scripture with scripture" then you end up believing in what isn't in the context.

See, a Heretic, is a person who has no depth of spiritual or theological understanding according to Paul's Theology.....they just have a verse or 2, taken out of context, that they try to use to bend the bible into what their cult has led them to believe.

Remember this....

When God, as the Holy Spirit offers a SINNER His Son's Salvation........this person has never loved God before, and probably never loved anyone more then they selfishly love themselves.........so, they have no real LOVE to offer God , on the day of their Salvation, and that is just fine, as God is not looking for their LOVE.......He is only looking for their FAITH in Christ.. (BELIEVE).

 

[GracePeace]

1.) "God would that all believe in Jesus whom God sent".

Do that, and you have "believed"........and notice there is no command to love.

Or let Jesus show you..

2.) Jesus said.. "all who Believe in Me, I give unto you, eternal LIFE, and you shall never go to Hell (perish)".

Notice those two verses that state that God requires "believing" and Jesus said if you Believe, then He gives you Eternal life.

3.) Look at this one......"All who call (believe on the name of Jesus" shall be SAVED".

4.) "For As many as BELIEVED, God gives to them the power to become a son/daughter of God".

So, where is the "LOVE" command in those 4 verses?

5.) Notice this, also......John 3:36, says that the wrath of God REMAINS on "unbelievers", and not because they dont love.

So, what you have to do, is not just run with your one verse, as when you try to make the bible say something, or teach something, based on one verse, instead of "comparing scripture with scripture" then you end up believing in what isn't in the context.

See, a Heretic, is a person who has no depth of spiritual or theological understanding according to Paul's Theology.....they just have a verse or 2, taken out of context, that they try to use to bend the bible into what their cult has led them to believe.

Jesus is also recorded as stating only those who have done good will be raised to eternal life (John 5) : again, manifestly, the two are a singular command. They exist on a continuum, with the result that failure to love is also failure to believe, just as the verse I cited (and many others) teaches.
Therefore, it is strange you would say I use a single verse--I don't.

Remember this....

When God, as the Holy Spirit offers a SINNER His Son's Salvation........this person has never loved God before, and probably never loved anyone more then they selfishly love themselves.........so, they have no real LOVE to offer God , on the day of their Salvation, and that is just fine, as God is not looking for their LOVE.......He is only looking for their FAITH in Christ.. (BELIEVE).

But, again, John says "Not that we loved Him but that He loved us" and "we love Him because He loved us first", so there's no discontinuity, but there is coherence, in what I am alleging is taught, whereas, unfortunately, I think there is an emphasizing certain truths to the point of nullifying certain other truths in what you are alleging is taught.

 

[Behold]

Jesus is also recorded as stating only those who have done good will be raised to eternal life

You're reading the verses, but you are not tuned in to them..

Listen, the bible is not a dictionary., its a spiritual book.....and that means the verses have to be understood by revelation and that's what im giving you.

So, if Jesus says......"those who have done good shall be raised to eternal life" and yet the bible says....>"there is NONE GOOD, no not ONE", as "all have sinned".

So, you just hit a wall with your one verse theory, again.

Listen...

The good are the Justified "in Christ" and the not good, are the "wicked" and these are the non-justified.

See, God does not count our works as our "good".......>He only counts our Faith as our Justification.

But, again, John says "Not that we loved Him but that He loved us" and "we love Him because He loved us first"

And yet, no unbeliever loves God.
See, Galatians says that Jesus loves us and gave Himself for us........not because we loved Him first., which is what your verse is explaining.

So, why do people who try to live a good life, and who love their family, and who love to be helpful, and who love to serve in Church.. and who try to keep the 10 commandments.........die and go to hell like a bullet?
How can that be, when they are so loving, and belong to the 1st Church of the Loving and Kind?

Its simple.
They are separated from God, by their SIN.......and no amount of "love" they can produce can resolve that, and until its resolved they are hell bound, yet, very loving people......even very nice people........honest and kind.

 

[GracePeace]

You're reading the verses, but you are not tuned in to them..

Listen, the bible is not a dictionary., its a spiritual book.....and that means the verses have to be understood by revelation and that's what im giving you.

So, if Jesus says......"those who have done good shall be raised to eternal life" and yet the bible says....>"there is NONE GOOD, no not ONE", as "all have sinned".

So, you just hit a wall with your one verse theory, again.

Listen...

The good are the Justified "in Christ" and the not good, are the "wicked" and these are the non-justified.

See, God does not count our works as our "good".......>He only counts our Faith as our Justification.

1. "... obey... for it is God at work in you to will and to do for His pleasure" : when we obey, and work the works God is working in us, that counts as "God's righteousness apart from the Law" (Ro 3), so that's not our righteousness, nor our goodness, but God's righteousness and goodness.

2. Jesus says, "I know God's command is eternal life, therefore I speak and do as He commands," and "He has never left Me, because I always do what pleases Him".
You affirm "believing leads to eternal life"; for my part, I affirm "believe and love leads to eternal life", just as Jesus teaches, yet you take issue with that. I can't account for your offense, other than that you want to affirm only part, not the whole, of Scripture, so you denigrate me.

Why does Jesus teach BOTH "believe and you have eternal life" AND "speaking the words and doing the deeds God commands is eternal life"? Do I have to decide which of the two I believe? Is Scripture a salad bar? No, the two exist on a continuum, being a singular command, as 1 John 3:23 teaches. Many other verses and passages teach the same doctrine.
I have to believe the whole Bible, not just part of it.

3. Please justify your complaint/accusation that I have a "one-verse theory" when I have continuously cited verse after verse after verse to justify what I have been saying. Why do you make false statements against me? Is that the only way you can appear, to uncareful readers (and why appeal to them?), to be right?

And yet, no unbeliever loves God.
See, Galatians says that Jesus loves us and gave Himself for us........not because we loved Him first., which is what your verse is explaining.

Yes, God loved us first, that is why we love Him; if you love Him, obey Him; His command you obey is that you love one another as He loved you; by believing and obeying/loving you will abide in Him and in His love.

So, why do people who try to live a good life, and who love their family, and who love to be helpful, and who love to serve in Church.. and who try to keep the 10 commandments.........die and go to hell like a bullet?
How can that be, when they are so loving, and belong to the 1st Church of the Loving and Kind?
Its simple.
They are separated from God, by their SIN.......and no amount of "love" they can produce can resolve that, and until its resolved they are hell bound, yet, very loving people......even very nice people........honest and kind.

John says if we keep the single command to believe and love one another, we will abide in Him; you say that this leads to damnation.

I'm sure you know who I think I should believe.

 

[Grailhunter]

Something to keep in mind…..
How hard is it to be saved?
How perfect do we have to be?
How much are we to help one another?
How often should we go to church?

The early Christians in the era of Acts and after. How much did they need to know to be saved? These Christians did not have Bibles. Yet thousands and thousands were saved. They were taught to Be Good and Do Good. Salvation is not hard, it is a blessing.

They believed that Yeshua was the Son of God….a God. They knew He died to save them so that if you believed in Him you could be saved from Hell and go to Heaven.

The process was pretty much Acts 2:38 Belief….faith….repent…to realize that the life you lead was not right and you know what is right now. Be baptized and accept the Holy Spirit.

The early Christian assembled in hiding, usually at night …. sometimes in people’s home and sometime in catacombs and sometimes out in wilderness. The joined together to do the Bread and Wine Ritual. They risked their lives to gather and worship the Lord….Today you almost have to use a cattle prod to get some of them to go to church….This is so important to be involved with the church and the Christian community. It is important for the family to be involved. Go to church often and celebrate the Christian holidays with the Lord and family. Eat and be merry and sing praises to the Lord.

Help all those you can. Help them by spreading the Gospel. Help them that need assistance.
God bless and Be Good and Do Good

 

[Behold]

1. "... obey... for it is God at work in you to will and to do for His pleasure" : when we obey, and work the works God is working in us, that counts as

"Its not by works of righteousness, but according to God's mercy HE saved us".

Your self righteous "works" are "filth rags""", and it offends God for you to try to offer your works, as some type of offering that He would accept to accept you.

"God's righteousness apart from the Law" (Ro 3), so that's not our righteousness, nor our goodness, but God's righteousness and goodness.

Every Christian, has been "made righteous"......based on receiving God's "GIFT of Righteousness".

2. Jesus says, "I know God's command is eternal life, therefore I speak and do as He commands," and "He has never left Me, because I always do what pleases Him".

Jesus told disciples who went to hell after they died... this......>"Depart from me, i never knew YOU".. and they were casting out devils, and doing good works for Jesus.

Figure that out, and if you can, then set your self righteousness down, and only give God credit for Salvation only based on "Justification by Faith", "without works or deeds of the Law'..

Why does Jesus teach BOTH "believe and you have eternal life"

To receive eternal life, Jesus said you must "believe in Me".

Here is how John teaches it...

"""" you may know that you have eternal life......., you who BELIEVE in the name of the Son of God.:""

And notice that John says nothing about LOVE.. or Works... or Commandment keeping.

Take note of that...

3. Please justify your complaint/accusation that I have a "one-verse theory"

You have a one verse concept based on one verse, that you try to use to teach what isn't correct, regarding HOW and WHY God will GIVE Salvation to a BELIEVER.

 

[GracePeace]

"Its not by works of righteousness, but according to God's mercy HE saved us".

Your self righteous "works" are "filth rags""", and it offends God for you to try to offer your works, as some type of offering that He would accept to accept you.

I proved the works mentioned there were God's works and God's righteousness amd goodness, but you have no answer.

When you feel brave, I guess, you can interact with the answer you were already given.

Every Christian, has been "made righteous"......based on receiving God's "GIFT of Righteousness".

Yup, now they are to walk in it, completing faith by works.

Jesus told disciples who went to hell after they died... this......>"Depart from me, i never knew YOU".. and they were casting out devils, and doing good works for Jesus. 1

Figure that out, and if you can, then set your self righteousness down, and only give God credit for Salvation only based on "Justification by Faith", "without works or deeds of the Law'..

1. You're so funny : Jesus's complaint was that they WEREN'T RIGHTEOUS, but were LAWLESS! Lol
THIS VERSE PROVES MY POSITION!
You really are clueless, just like your false god who tells you to say stupid empty ignorance.
2. God forgets righteousness, and, in the NT, "faith is counted as righteousness", so Jesus saying "I never knew you" indicates God forgot their "faith counted as righteousness".
Again your fake god is ignorant of the real God's Word

To receive eternal life, Jesus said you must "believe in Me".

Here is how John teaches it...

"""" you may know that you have eternal life......., you who BELIEVE in the name of the Son of God.:""

And notice that John says nothing about LOVE.. or Works... or Commandment keeping.

Take note of that...

Lol already answered this ignorance many times.

You have a one verse concept based on one verse, that you try to use to teach what isn't correct, regarding HOW and WHY God will GIVE Salvation to a BELIEVER.

Oops, I didn't ask you to DEFINE your ignorant slander, I said JUSTIFY your slander, because it is manifest that I am citing verse after verse after verse.

 

[Hey You!]

I have difficulty reconciling some verses in John.
How do you all reconcile the following verses?

1. On one hand, it seems like all we need to do to have eternal life is to believe in Jesus.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent. ... 35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36“But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. ... 40For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

2a. On the other hand, it seems like mere belief is not enough, but, at bare minimum, one must deny oneself/not indulge in sin to the point of confessing faith in Christ (by adding "confession" to "faith", the "faith" required cannot be defined as "faith alone", but "faith... plus...")....

John 12:42Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

2b. In the same chapter that seems to define "drinking" and "eating" as "believing" (to have eternal life), He defines the eating and drinking as "doing the works of the One Who sent you".

John 4:32But He told them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.” ... 34Jesus explained, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work.
6:56Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

2c. There are other passages that seem to teach the same (have to keep God's commands--both speaking and acting as He commands--to have eternal life) : here, eternal life, the Spirit, God's love, is only for those who keep Jesus's commands (both "believe" and "love one another").
John 12:49For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.
John 13:17 If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.
John 14:21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love... 12This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17This I command you, that you love one another.
1 John 3:23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

@GracePeace , the answer is seen in Ephesians 2:8-10; we're Saved by Grace through Faith apart from Works, but we're created/Born Again for Good Works...

This is simply two Categories of Works; presalvific and postsalvific Works. Our Works/Fruit are the same thing; the words are interchangeable. A branch in the Vine which doesn't bear fruit, is dead; Faith without Works/Fruit is dead. Currently it is the Spring Season, and my State Tree is the Dogwood Tree; and they are in full bloom. Most of the trees have some barren branches; I could cut them off and burn them...

But you Christian, need not worry; when Fountains of Living Water well up in you, your flower is blooming...

 

[Behold]

I proved the works mentioned there were God's works and God's righteousness amd goodness, but you have no answer.

IN your mind, im sure you believe what you posted is true.
That's unfortunate.
See, when you are unable to take in the knowledge then it seems to you, that you are not being shown something, clearly.
And that is always the case.
So, there it is...

When you feel brave, I guess, you can interact with the answer you were already given.

Here is the thing... i can teach you @GracePeace , but i can't learn it for you, and you are not getting it.
You are here to argue, you are stuck on repeat, and i was not.
For future reference, start with our first correspondence, and try to learn what i taught, as otherwise, you'll just keep repeating the same thing as you have done now for many posts.

 

[GracePeace]

IN your mind, im sure you believe what you posted is true.
That's unfortunate.
See, when you are unable to take in the knowledge then it seems to you, that you are not being shown something, clearly.
And that is always the case.
So, there it is...



Here is the thing... i can teach you @GracePeace , but i can't learn it for you.
You are here to argue, and i was not.
For future reference, start with our first correspondence, and try to learn what i taught, as otherwise, you'll just keep repeating the same thing as you have done now for many posts.

You cannot justify, from Scripture, any of your vain ignorance--the idea that you are in a position to "teach" is laughable.

 

[Behold]

You cannot justify, from Scripture, any of your vain ignorance--

I posted about 20 verses, during our correspondence.
You missed them, and the reality is, you missed much more then that...

And regarding your insult... well, its what people like you do., as what else could you do? ?
So....Nothing new.
See you there.. @GracePeace

 

[CadyandZoe]

I have difficulty reconciling some verses in John.
How do you all reconcile the following verses?

1. On one hand, it seems like all we need to do to have eternal life is to believe in Jesus.

John 3:16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 6:29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent. ... 35Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me will not hunger, and he who believes in Me will never thirst. 36“But I said to you that you have seen Me, and yet do not believe. ... 40For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”
68Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have words of eternal life.

2a. On the other hand, it seems like mere belief is not enough, but, at bare minimum, one must deny oneself/not indulge in sin to the point of confessing faith in Christ (by adding "confession" to "faith", the "faith" required cannot be defined as "faith alone", but "faith... plus...")....

John 12:42Nevertheless many even of the rulers believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they were not confessing Him, for fear that they would be put out of the synagogue; 43for they loved the approval of men rather than the approval of God.

2b. In the same chapter that seems to define "drinking" and "eating" as "believing" (to have eternal life), He defines the eating and drinking as "doing the works of the One Who sent you".

John 4:32But He told them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.” ... 34Jesus explained, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work.
6:56Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood remains in Me, and I in him. 57Just as the living Father sent Me and I live because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on Me will live because of Me.

2c. There are other passages that seem to teach the same (have to keep God's commands--both speaking and acting as He commands--to have eternal life) : here, eternal life, the Spirit, God's love, is only for those who keep Jesus's commands (both "believe" and "love one another").
John 12:49For I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment—what to say and what to speak. 50 And I know that his commandment is eternal life. What I say, therefore, I say as the Father has told me.
John 13:17 If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them.
John 14:21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.
John 15:10If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love... 12This is My commandment, that you love one another, just as I have loved you. 13Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends. 14You are My friends if you do what I command you. 15No longer do I call you slaves, for the slave does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. 16You did not choose Me but I chose you, and appointed you that you would go and bear fruit, and that your fruit would remain, so that whatever you ask of the Father in My name He may give to you. 17This I command you, that you love one another.
1 John 3:23This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us. 24The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

Consider the following passage:

Colossians 1:21-23 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

In Paul's perspective, the concept of salvation encompasses much more than simply holding certain beliefs; it requires us to remain steadfast in the hope we have embraced. This hope, rooted in the Gospel, promises liberation not only from the consequences of sin but also from the habitual patterns of sin that bind us. Consequently, if we truly grasp the significance of this hope, it naturally follows that our actions will reflect a way of life that is worthy and aligned with such a profound truth.

 

[Behold]

In Paul's perspective, the concept of salvation encompasses much more than simply holding certain beliefs; it requires us to remain steadfast in the hope we have embraced.

You are taking Paul's verse and redefining it like this..

"Paul is teaching that if we dont remain steadfast.....if we are not good, and if we are not always trying to be perfect... if we for one second or one week, have a faith crisis.....then our Salvation is LOST".

See that?
So, that is the typical deceptive FORUM teaching that denies God's Grace, whereby a person is trying to take Jesus off the Cross, and put the reader on it.....so that they now are nailed to trying to keep themselves saved by their own SELF effort.

And that is : LEGALISM

 

[GracePeace]

Consider the following passage:

Colossians 1:21-23 And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

In Paul's perspective, the concept of salvation encompasses much more than simply holding certain beliefs; it requires us to remain steadfast in the hope we have embraced. This hope, rooted in the Gospel, promises liberation not only from the consequences of sin but also from the habitual patterns of sin that bind us. Consequently, if we truly grasp the significance of this hope, it naturally follows that our actions will reflect a way of life that is worthy and aligned with such a profound truth.

For the purpose of the OP, I wanted to stick to John's Gospel.

 

[Behold]

you really are a stone cold ignoramus.

So, As i told you.. i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
Others will read what i showed you, and it can be that they will find some light that clearly eluded you.

Thats on you.

 

[GracePeace]

So, As i told you.. i can teach you, but i can't learn it for you.
Others will read what i showed you, and it can be that they will find some light that clearly eluded you.

Thats on you.

Empty words. Either answer the answers already provided your vacuous nonsense or quit pretending you're up for discussion.

No need to mention the idea of you "teaching" me ever again : as stated, I find you to be deceptive and lacking knowledge, and you run away in fear when your ignorance is revealed, so you're nothing like anyone I'd want to learn from.

 

[Behold]

Empty words. Either answer the answers already provided your vacuous nonsense or quit pretending you're up for discussion.

No need to mention the idea of you "teaching" me ever again :

I gave you many answers... and many verses.
Its not up to me for you to be able to comprehend them..
So, Consider... that when i find one like you on this forum.. what i do, is use your cultish theology as a platform, to enlighten others.
So, in this way, you were quite useful @GracePeace .

And you'll be useful again in this way., same as before...

And because you did ask me for more teaching, let me give you one.. more.

A slightly different topic....
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A person can be both under God's Wrath, and also IN God's Wrath.

How?

Here is the verse on "God's Wrath.."

Read it @GracePeace . John 3:36


Notice the "Wrath of God" in the verse. This is ETERNAL wrath.
This is "in effect".. right now ....regarding Every Christ rejector, never born again... who are alive today yet still in unbelief... They are ALL UNDER = " God's Wrath".
This means that they are UNDER damnation, but not yet IN Damnation.

John 3:36

Whereas., ALL Unbelievers who died today, never born again, are now IN "God's Wrath"., and are IN Damnation

= Hell.

See, when a person is not born again, they are "under God's Wrath"... they are "under Damnation".... but have a chance all their life, via God's Grace.. to receive Christ and be SAVED from that eternal situation.

Reader did you ever wonder what : "JESUS SAVES" means?.........It means you are saved from God's' Wrath and Eternal Damnation.
It means you are SAVED.. = RESCUED... from going to Hell.

And if a person never trusts in Christ and dies, then they died "in their sin", having committed the "unpardonable sin" of Christ rejection, and they are now passed from "UNDER God's Wrath" ...to now exist forever. = "IN God's Wrath"...... and that is why they are in HELL right now.

 

[quietthinker]

There is a major problem here in the hearts of believers. This fundamental issue of Salvation is tripped over again and again and again. It reveals lack of faith (doubt) and misunderstanding . If it didn't the need to rehash this primary matter repeatedly wouldn't be forthcoming.

 

[GracePeace]

I gave you many answers... and many verses.
Its not up to me for you to be able to comprehend them..
So, Consider... that when i find one like you on this forum.. what i do, is use your cultish theology as a platform, to enlighten others.
So, in this way, you were quite useful @GracePeace .

And you'll be useful again in this way., same as before...

I invite all readers to see read how you've evaded, instead of answering, when your responses were addressed.
You've given your views, yes, but when they were answered, you simply didn't answer.
Now you want to be deceptive, and pretend you've answered--doesn't help your position look very good that you constantly have to practice deception upon deception to "defend" it.

And because you did ask me for more teaching, let me give you one.. more.

I guess, given all the rest of your incoherent nonsense, I shouldn't be surprised that you are capable of misconstruing anything I've said--despite how plainly I've explained my contempt for your nonsense--as if i wanted to learn from you. Lol Of course you're capable of such incoherent babble.

 

[Behold]

This fundamental issue of Salvation is tripped over again

"the fundamental issue of Salvation"? ????????????????

Salvation has no issues...... Its simply Jesus on The Cross offered for the Sin of the World, to be accepted, one believer at a time.

The "issue" is that this is twisted and changed, into....."what do i have to do now, to keep from losing salvation"

See that Question?
That question is a denial of Jesus's Sacrifice., and the person has no idea they are doing it.