To the only God our Savior
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I’m not baiting either of you into anything. You both dissent from historical trinitarian orthodoxy on your own grounds and you’re both speaking freely of your own volition.
Exercise self control. Take responsibility for your words and actions, just as I take responsibility for mine.
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soberxp
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We don't have to talk about orthodoxy, understanding the Bible is a process, The transition from a traditional Jew to the recognition of Jesus Christ as the Messiah is a difficult process.
It is also a difficult process from knowing and understanding Jesus as a person to understanding that Jesus became a God-like being.
It is also a difficult process from understanding that Jesus Christ is a God-like being to understanding that the only one true God is not in conflict with Jesus Christ becoming a God-like being.
I’ve demonstrated in other threads that the Southern Baptist Church stands with historical orthodox trinitarianism. If any member here disagrees that it does and requests it, I’ll provide it for them.
Here in the Torah are passages that speak of the Lord God of Israel having two different natures in union.
Soul is man. God is Spirit, not soul!
Read the following OT passages. Before he took on a human body, it speaks of the soul of Lord God, being as God over Israel!
'You will eat the old supply and clear out the old because of the new. Moreover, I will make my
dwelling among you, and my soul will not reject you.' I will also walk among you and be your God,
and you shall be My people." Lev 26:10-12
And they began to remove the foreign gods from their midst and to serve Jehovah, so that his soul
became impatient because of the trouble of Israel. Judges 10:16
Jehovah himself examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one, and anyone loving
violence his soul certainly hates." Ps 11:5
“Bring no more futile sacrifices; Incense is an abomination to Me. The New Moons, the Sabbaths,
and the calling of assemblies— I cannot endure iniquity and the sacred meeting. Your New Moons
and your appointed feasts my soul hates; They are a trouble to Me, I am weary of bearing them.. Isa 1:13-14
Jesus made it clear that God is not soul in John 4:24!
"God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Rabbis used to read that, and it never dawned on them to note the difference....
grace and peace ..............
That’s right. You can keep your “Christian” registration, cease talking about orthodoxy altogether, and talk about something else.
You’re still speaking against trinitarian orthodoxy with these comments.
soberxp
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But Soul and Spirit in Chinese language is the same Word.
So when the word is "my soul" that will become the word "my" and lost the word "soul" in Chinese language Bible.
Man of God and Godman is also the same word in Chinese language Bible.
The language is really wonderful.
Jesus Christ is the man of God and Godman..........
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soberxp
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So you really Don't understand what I'm talking about.
Let me show you that in the Bible.
1.God made man in his own image.
2.Jesus Christ is the image of God.
3.If you understand Jesus then you understand God. You see Jesus then you see the father.
4. Jesus walking on the water, The Gospel of Matthew
14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
5.At beginning the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.
6.If Jesus said to Peter"come,walking on the water as me." What do you think that means?
7.When Peter was walking on the water,
Is Peter God? Or something else? No, but God made man in his own image.
8.Matthew
14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?
9.You little faith,never imagine we can be something God-like being，because of God made man in his own image in the beginning.
10.Jehovah the king of kings,lord of lords,God of gods.only worship the word of God.
all above is the word of Bible.
Apparently you don’t understand that the issue is any expression of dissent from trinitarian orthodoxy is prohibited by the rules if you are registered “Christian”. You are, I’m not.
soberxp
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I'm not talking about trinitarian, I'm talking about the truth from the word of Bible.
soberxp
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The trinitarians reveal from the Holy spirit, can't find it in the Bible.
I am talking about the truth which is could find it in the every word of Bible.
You’re a member registered “Christian” criticizing the trinitarians and their doctrine. That is a violation of the Board rules.
The truth from the word of the Bible is trinitarian orthodoxy. That is their position. If you don’t agree with it then you’re not allowed to discuss it.
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soberxp
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As a member registered “Christian” you either have to say that the trinitarians are telling the truth or not speak about it at all. Those rules have been in effect since February 25, 2025.
Many Christians would not attend such a church if it be a typical one. "Legalism and stupidity."
But, we would not want to seek revenge on them by deliberately thumbing our nose at what they teach just to get a rise out of them.
Only if the rules follow sound exegesis.
For example... Catholic orthodoxy is not true orthodoxy.
And, as a rule, Baptist on want doctrine to be used as a rule to hit people over their head, or to demand them for money.
If you’re talking about the Southern Baptist Church, you’re speaking against a church which affirms trinitarian orthodoxy.
I would hope not, but I wouldn’t put it past you. You haven’t been able to carry on a decent conversation.
If you don’t like the rules, talk to the rule-makers about it.
That’s patently false. Catholic orthodoxy is historical orthodox trinitarianism. Once again, you violate the rule prohibiting a “Christian” member from speaking against trinitarian orthodoxy.
That’s also patently false.
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