The many errors and contradictions found in Amillennialism.

[CTK]

By all means give your symbolic interpretations waiting?

Please Provide Your Symbolic Interpretation For The 3 Items Below?

1. Two Witnesses having power over all plagues?

2. Two Witnesses Dead Bodies Laying In A Street In Jerusalem?

3. A world watching and celebrating their deaths exchanging gifts?

For what it is worth.... this is a cut out of the commentary on Revelation chapter11 - still in progess....All symbolic.


If the 144,000 serve as the last earthly messengers of God’s truth, then they complete the mission of spreading the Gospel in the face of worldwide opposition. By looking beyond a literal timeframe alone, the 19 characteristics for the Two Witnesses highlight eternal truths about Jesus’ mission, His life-giving sacrifice, the guiding power of the Holy Spirit, and the enduring nature of God’s Word.

In Revelation 11:3–12, we’re given a powerful, symbolic picture of two witnesses who faithfully testify before being overcome by the beast. While some interpret these witnesses as literal individuals, a deeper spiritual reading reveals them as symbols of God’s two enduring witnesses on earth: His Word and His Holy Spirit. These two have testified to God’s truth since the beginning—calling humanity to repentance, revealing the character of God, and empowering His people to live in righteousness.

At the end of time, as the age of the Gentiles draws to a close, God removes the veil of blindness from the eyes of His chosen people, Israel (Romans 11:25). They will recognize the One they have pierced and embrace Jesus as their Messiah. This awakening ushers in the final 1,260 days—the last 3.5 years before Christ’s return—during which the 144,000, now empowered by the Word and the Spirit, will preach the gospel with power and clarity throughout the world.

As they proclaim truth with boldness, the world is divided. Many receive the Word of God for the first time and embrace Christ as Savior. Others resist fiercely. The little horn—representing a false system of worship and authority—feels its foundation shaking. Its grip on power, tradition, and deception is being exposed. The 144,000 become targets, facing opposition from every side, including religious, political, and cultural forces. It is a time of great shaking—a time of trouble such as the world has never seen. Yet, their mission remains: to bear witness to the truth, to shine the light of God’s Word in a darkened world, and to testify of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit.

But as their 1,260-day mission draws to a close, the beast rises in one final assault. The witnesses—symbolizing the Word and the Spirit, active through the 144,000—are silenced. Their message is rejected. For 3.5 literal days, their symbolic bodies lie in the street of "Jerusalem," representing the world’s spiritual rebellion. The world rejoices, believing that truth has been defeated. Gifts are exchanged. Celebration erupts. But like the crucifixion of Christ, this supposed victory is short-lived.

After 3.5 days, the breath of God enters them. They rise to their feet. The world is struck with fear. A voice from heaven calls, “Come up here.” And in full view of their enemies, they ascend. The mission is complete. The witnesses are withdrawn. Symbolically, the Word and the Holy Spirit are no longer active on the earth. With their departure, the age of grace closes. Darkness falls. Then comes judgment.

This prophetic picture reminds us that while the world may attempt to silence God’s truth, it cannot prevail. The Word and Spirit will rise again in power through God’s end-time people. And when their mission is complete, Christ will return—not as a Lamb, but as the King, to reign in righteousness forever. The 19 characteristics of the two witnesses highlight their symbolic representation as the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

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1. They Must Be Witnesses (Revelation 11:3): The Word of God and the Holy Spirit have always testified of God's truth (John 17:17; John 16:8-13). In the final 3.5 years, the 144,000 serve as the physical representatives of these divine witnesses, preaching with boldness and power.​

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2. They Must Preach/Prophesy for 1,260 Days (11:3): For three and a half years, the 144,000 proclaim truth under the Spirit's guidance, confronting deception and urging repentance—the last global call before judgment (Daniel 7:25).​

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3. They Operate at the End of Time (11:3): Their ministry coincides with the trumpet judgments, marking God's final effort to reach humanity before the seventh trumpet sounds and His kingdom is fully established.​

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4. They Must Be Lampstands (11:4): Lampstands symbolize divine light. The Word is our lamp (Psalm 119:105), and the Spirit brings illumination (1 Corinthians 2:10-12). The 144,000 bear this light in a darkened world.​

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5. They Must Be Olive Trees (11:4): Olive trees represent life-giving Spirit and anointing (Zechariah 4:2-14). The 144,000 are sustained by the Word and Spirit, just as oil sustains a flame.​

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6. They Stand Before the God of the Earth (11:4): Their authority is divine. They speak not of themselves, but as representatives of God's eternal truth (John 1:1; John 14:26).​

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7. Fire Comes Out of Their Mouths (11:5): This fire represents the convicting, purifying power of the Word and Spirit (Jeremiah 23:29). Their words pierce hearts, revealing sin and calling for repentance.​

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8. If Anyone Harms Them, They Are Killed in This Way (11:5): To reject the Word and Spirit is to choose spiritual death (John 12:48). The opposition they face is fierce, but the consequences of resisting truth are severe.​

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9. Power to Shut Heaven (11:6): Like Elijah, they declare that rejecting truth brings spiritual drought (1 Kings 17:1). A famine of hearing God’s Word falls upon the unrepentant.​

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10. Power to Turn Waters to Blood (11:6): Like Moses in Egypt, their message exposes corruption. Waters, symbolizing life, become blood—a symbol of judgment (Exodus 7:14-24).​

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11. Power to Strike the Earth with Plagues (11:6): Just as Moses warned Pharaoh, their words unleash judgment on rebellion. God affirms their testimony through prophetic signs.​

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12. Killed by the Beast After Their Testimony (11:7): At the end of their 1,260-day mission, the beast—Satan’s system—attacks. Their "death" symbolizes both the silencing of their message and potential martyrdom.​

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13. Their Bodies Lie in the Street of Jerusalem (11:8): "Jerusalem" represents the world’s spiritual rebellion. As Christ was rejected there, so too are His final messengers.​

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14. Bodies Seen for 3.5 Days (11:9): For 3.5 literal days, the world rejoices over their silence. Their mission appears defeated, just as Christ's death seemed final.​

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15. The World Rejoices (11:10): As with Jesus’ crucifixion, the enemies of truth celebrate, believing they’ve won—unaware that judgment is near.​

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16. Breath of Life Enters Them (11:11): Like Christ’s resurrection, their revival shocks the world. God vindicates their witness and defeats the enemy’s lie.​

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17. They Stand and Fear Falls on Their Enemies (11:11): The world trembles as the witnesses rise. Truth cannot be silenced forever.​

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18. A Voice Says, “Come Up Here” (11:12): Their ascension mirrors Christ’s, marking the completion of their mission and signaling that God’s final judgment is at hand.​

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19. They Ascend to Heaven as Enemies Watch (11:12): With their departure, the Word and Spirit—symbolically—are withdrawn from the earth. Darkness remains, and the world stands on the brink of judgment.​

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL. I have done that many times, so why should I think that you will pay any attention to what I'm saying now when you never have before?

The two witnesses are described as two candlesticks and two olive trees. What is your explanation for that, by the way? In what way can that apply to two individuals? In Revelation 1:20 it is explained that the seven candlesticks represent seven churches. So, with that in mind, how can two candlesticks represent two individuals in Revelation 11?

In Romans 11, the cultivated olive tree represents the Israel of God. The wild olive tree represents the Gentiles and Paul talks about branches from the wild olive tree being grafted in with the remaining branches in the cultivated olive tree that were not broken off, which represent Israelite believers. So, to me the two witnesses are called two olive trees because it symbolically represents Jew and Gentile believers being brought together as one in the church.

And, regarding the kind of power the two witnesses have, it's unfortunate that most in the church deny the kind of power that we have. Because Jesus has all power over all things, we have that same power at our disposal because of him. Now, the whole thing is symbolic, so this does not mean that we can literally have fire coming out of our mouths like it says regarding the two witnesses or anything like that. But, we have the power of God at our disposal when we preach the gospel and Revelation 11 is portraying that in a symbolic way.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

You completely bypassed the question regarding "Plagues" as if it didn't exist

Zechariah 4:11-14 gives further insight into the (Two Witnesses) in explanation, the golden oil represents the "Vials" in plagues that will be emptied out of "THEMSELVES" seen in Rev 16:1-11 literal plagues upon a literal earth

(These Are The Two Anointed Ones)

Zechariah 4:11-14KJV
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

It's not referring to Jerusalem. The great city, which is also called Babylon, is not Jerusalem, but is the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem, which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Rev 21:2,9). Jesus was not crucified in Jerusalem.

John 19:20 Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Hebrews 13:12 And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood.

It's referring to people thinking that the church is dead because they have silenced the preaching of the gospel by drowning it out with their false teaching. But, they don't realize that soon after we will be caught up to meet Christ in the air and they will be destroyed when He returns.

Of course the great city Is Jerusalem its self explanatory no argument needed, the very city where Jesus was crucified, your symbolic explanation is silent in denial of the simple truth before your eyes

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Again, it's a symbolic representation of the world thinking they have defeated the church and silenced the gospel. But, then Jesus will come and take vengeance on them (2 Thess 1:7-10), showing that they have not won anything.

"False" the scripture is self explanatory as you try desperately to remove the literal interpretation to suit your doctrine

Literal prophets will return and bring literal plagues upon a literal world in torment, they are killed and lay dead in a literal Jerusalem street as a literal world celebrates their deaths in exchanging literal gifts

To wave a "Magic Symbolic Wand" and claim that the scripture seen below represents "The Church" would be classified in the realm of Aesop's Fables IMHO

Revelation 11:3-15KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[Truth7t7]

While some interpret these witnesses as literal individuals, a deeper spiritual reading reveals them as symbols of God’s two enduring witnesses on earth: His Word and His Holy Spirit.

I Strongly Disagree

My responses to Spiritual Isralite would be the same to your claim of the (Two Witnesses) being (God's Word and the Holy Spirit)

(God's Word and Holy Spirit) is explained as two individuals who die in bodies and lay dead in a street in Jerusalem, while a world watches in celebration of their death?

The claim presented is laughable, Aesops Fables, grounded in false symbolic reformed eschatology regarding the literal seen

 

[Davy]

Rev 20 states no such a thing, it's speaking of dead souls in the spiritual realm and has absolutely nothing to do with the physical earthly as you falsely claim

Thank you, YOU JUST SHOWED YOU LIE AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD! that's what I have said about you before!

Rev 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

Now just where.... did you say that "camp of the saints" will be?


Brethren in Christ:
You know you cannot trust someone who literally LIES directly against Bible Scripture as written. That "camp of the saints" is clearly shown that it will be located upon this earth in Christ's future reign. And that MUST mean Christ's Church for that future time, because that "beloved city" also associated with that "camp of the saints" points directly to JERUSALEM on earth.

And wow! I did not know that today's JERUSALEM is represented by Christ's Church, did you? Why then are the majority of Jews there still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ?? And the Arabs that live there also still reject Jesus Christ? How can that be that "camp of the saints" today? It ain't!

Oh, ... could that mean maybe that Amill folks like Truth7t7 above maybe slipped up... and actually recognizes that the Revelation 20 Chapter is still yet FUTURE, for AFTER Christ's FUTURE RETURN??? Sounds like he did when he said that "camp of the saints" is of a spiritual manifestation and not a literal one.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thank you, YOU JUST SHOWED YOU LIE AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD! that's what I have said about you before!

Rev 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

Now just where.... did you say that "camp of the saints" will be?


Brethren in Christ:
You know you cannot trust someone who literally LIES directly against Bible Scripture as written. That "camp of the saints" is clearly shown that it will be located upon this earth in Christ's future reign. And that MUST mean Christ's Church for that future time, because that "beloved city" also associated with that "camp of the saints" points directly to JERUSALEM on earth.

And wow! I did not know that today's JERUSALEM is represented by Christ's Church, did you? Why then are the majority of Jews there still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ?? And the Arabs that live there also still reject Jesus Christ? How can that be that "camp of the saints" today? It ain't!

Oh, ... could that mean maybe that Amill folks like Truth7t7 above maybe slipped up... and actually recognizes that the Revelation 20 Chapter is still yet FUTURE, for AFTER Christ's FUTURE RETURN??? Sounds like he did when he said that "camp of the saints" is of a spiritual manifestation and not a literal one.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Thank you, YOU JUST SHOWED YOU LIE AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD! that's what I have said about you before!

Rev 20:9
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
KJV

Now just where.... did you say that "camp of the saints" will be?


Brethren in Christ:
You know you cannot trust someone who literally LIES directly against Bible Scripture as written. That "camp of the saints" is clearly shown that it will be located upon this earth in Christ's future reign. And that MUST mean Christ's Church for that future time, because that "beloved city" also associated with that "camp of the saints" points directly to JERUSALEM on earth.

And wow! I did not know that today's JERUSALEM is represented by Christ's Church, did you? Why then are the majority of Jews there still rejecting our Lord Jesus Christ?? And the Arabs that live there also still reject Jesus Christ? How can that be that "camp of the saints" today? It ain't!

Oh, ... could that mean maybe that Amill folks like Truth7t7 above maybe slipped up... and actually recognizes that the Revelation 20 Chapter is still yet FUTURE, for AFTER Christ's FUTURE RETURN??? Sounds like he did when he said that "camp of the saints" is of a spiritual manifestation and not a literal one.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" Is To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Davy]

Can't listen to YOUR rhetoric abuse against God's written Word. You are a DECEIVER.

May my Heavenly Father rebuke you in the Name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Truth7t7]

Can't listen to YOUR rhetoric abuse against God's written Word. You are a DECEIVER.

May my Heavenly Father rebuke you in the Name of Jesus Christ.

Matthew 5:10-12KJV
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You completely bypassed the question regarding "Plagues" as if it didn't exist

Zechariah 4:11-14 gives further insight into the (Two Witnesses) in explanation, the golden oil represents the "Vials" in plagues that will be emptied out of "THEMSELVES" seen in Rev 16:1-11 literal plagues upon a literal earth

(These Are The Two Anointed Ones)

Zechariah 4:11-14KJV
11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Of course the great city Is Jerusalem its self explanatory no argument needed, the very city where Jesus was crucified, your symbolic explanation is silent in denial of the simple truth before your eyes

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


"False" the scripture is self explanatory as you try desperately to remove the literal interpretation to suit your doctrine

Literal prophets will return and bring literal plagues upon a literal world in torment, they are killed and lay dead in a literal Jerusalem street as a literal world celebrates their deaths in exchanging literal gifts

To wave a "Magic Symbolic Wand" and claim that the scripture seen below represents "The Church" would be classified in the realm of Aesop's Fables IMHO

Revelation 11:3-15KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You accuse me of not answering your questions, but I did. Just not in the way you would prefer. I'm not going to waste any more time on you and your hyper-literal approach to interpreting the most highly symbolic book in the Bible. It's a minor miracle that you can even discern that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is not supposed to be taken literally.

 

[CTK]

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You accuse me of not answering your questions, but I did. Just not in the way you would prefer. I'm not going to waste any more time on you and your hyper-literal approach to interpreting the most highly symbolic book in the Bible. It's a minor miracle that you can even discern that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is not supposed to be taken literally.

Would you mind letting me know what is telling you the 1000 years are not literal. I have not seen anything or might have completely missed it. Thanks.

 

[Truth7t7]

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. You accuse me of not answering your questions, but I did. Just not in the way you would prefer. I'm not going to waste any more time on you and your hyper-literal approach to interpreting the most highly symbolic book in the Bible. It's a minor miracle that you can even discern that the thousand years in Revelation 20 is not supposed to be taken literally.

The fact remains the same, you never responded to my request of interpretation regarding the (Two Witnesses) and "Plagues"?

You claim the (Two Witnesses) represents (The Church), how does the scripture below represent (The Church)?

IMHO your magic symbolic wand has hit a brick wall and fallen apart

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.

 

[Truth7t7]

Would you mind letting me know what is telling you the 1000 years are not literal. I have not seen anything or might have completely missed it. Thanks.

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[CTK]

Revelation 20:1-6 Isnt A Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Dont Be Deceived​

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

So, you are saying the 1000 years is not literal because you cannot find a verse that speaks of a physical location? Is the time element a literal 1000 years but it is with the Lord - not on earth?

 

[Truth7t7]

So, you are saying the 1000 years is not literal because you cannot find a verse that speaks of a physical location? Is the time element a literal 1000 years but it is with the Lord - not on earth?

The post was self explanatory and very easy to understand, Revelation 20:1-6 is in the Lord's Spiritual where one day is a thousand years, clearly explaining that "Literal Time" doesn't exist

Millinnealist try to use the words (Thousand Years) and bring it to this literal earthly realm and create a Kingdom on this earth regarding Revelation 20:4-6 "Wrong"

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ

 

[ewq1938]

So, you are saying the 1000 years is not literal because you cannot find a verse that speaks of a physical location? Is the time element a literal 1000 years but it is with the Lord - not on earth?

Don't listen to that. Even Amill believes the Millennium is on Earth but longer than a thousand years. They believe living saints rule on Earth while Christ rules from heaven. They just think their ruling on Earth is happening now with a minority thinking the Mill is over and we are living in the little season but it's still an Earthly Millennium.

 

[Truth7t7]

Don't listen to that. Even Amill believes the Millennium is on Earth but longer than a thousand years. They believe living saints rule on Earth while Christ rules from heaven. They just think their ruling on Earth is happening now with a minority thinking the Mill is over and we are living in the little season but it's still an Earthly Millennium.

The words (Thousand Years) is nothing more than an explanation to the human mind that one day is 1,000 years, no literal time is seen in Revelation 20:1-6

 

[ewq1938]

The words (Thousand Years) is nothing more than an explanation to the human mind that one day is 1,000 years, no literal time is seen in Revelation 20:1-6

Except the use of a thousand years in your example is still a thousand years. Plus, in Rev 20 it is written in Greek using their way of writing exactly a thousand. `They have a way to write using a thousand to depict an unknown amount of time, but it's not used in Rev 20.

 

[Truth7t7]

Except the use of a thousand years in your example is still a thousand years. Plus, in Rev 20 it is written in Greek using their way of writing exactly a thousand. `They have a way to write using a thousand to depict an unknown amount of time, but it's not used in Rev 20.

Your claim is "False"

One day is a thousand years in the Lord's eternal spiritual realm, Revelation 20:1-6 is in this spiritual realm, "eternal" no earthly time

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Would you mind letting me know what is telling you the 1000 years are not literal. I have not seen anything or might have completely missed it. Thanks.

That's a loaded question that would require a long response. There is a lot of scripture which does not allow for a future thousand year reign of Christ on the earth to occur. I interpret Revelation 20 in such a way that does not contradict those other scriptures. I am an Amillennialist. Are you not familiar with Amillennialism?

Instead of going into a long explanation showing every reason I believe the thousand years is not literal and every scripture I use to back that up, let me just point out a couple things for you to consider.

Look at this verse.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What does other scripture teach about the first resurrection? It teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

What does other scripture teach about the timing of Jesus's reign with His followers as priests?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

So, using scripture to interpret scripture, we should understand that any scripture which talks about the first resurrection is talking about Jesus's resurrection, so the reference to having part in the first resurrection has to do with having part in Jesus's resurrection. Jesus reigning should be understood to be talking about when He started reigning after His resurrection since scripture teaches that He started reigning at that point. And, scripture teaches that His followers became "a royal priesthood" as "kings and priests unto God and his Father" at that point.

Another thing to consider in relation to Revelation 20:6 is that it's true right now that the second death has no power over us or any of the dead in Christ whose souls are in heaven with Jesus now. So, that implies that we have already had part in the first resurrection since the second death currently has no power over those who belong to Christ. We certainly don't need to wait to be bodily resurrected from the dead in order for that to be the case.

 

[Truth7t7]

That's a loaded question that would require a long response. There is a lot of scripture which does not allow for a future thousand year reign of Christ on the earth to occur. I interpret Revelation 20 in such a way that does not contradict those other scriptures. I am an Amillennialist. Are you not familiar with Amillennialism?

Instead of going into a long explanation showing every reason I believe the thousand years is not literal and every scripture I use to back that up, let me just point out a couple things for you to consider.

Look at this verse.

Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What does other scripture teach about the first resurrection? It teaches that Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection.

Acts 26:23 That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

What does other scripture teach about the timing of Jesus's reign with His followers as priests?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Ephesians 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

So, using scripture to interpret scripture, we should understand that any scripture which talks about the first resurrection is talking about Jesus's resurrection, so the reference to having part in the first resurrection has to do with having part in Jesus's resurrection. Jesus reigning should be understood to be talking about when He started reigning after His resurrection since scripture teaches that He started reigning at that point. And, scripture teaches that His followers became "a royal priesthood" as "kings and priests unto God and his Father" at that point.

Another thing to consider in relation to Revelation 20:6 is that it's true right now that the second death has no power over us or any of the dead in Christ whose souls are in heaven with Jesus now. So, that implies that we have already had part in the first resurrection since the second death currently has no power over those who belong to Christ. We certainly don't need to wait to be bodily resurrected from the dead in order for that to be the case.

Revelation 20:6 "The First Resurrection" Explained​

There will be "Two Future Resurrections" on "The Last Day" the righteous saved are "Blessed" to be in "The First Resurrection" to eternal life, the second death resurrection has no power over the righteous saved

The second death will see the unsaved wicked being in "The Second Resurrection" to eternal damnation in the lake of fire, or the "Second Death"

"The Last Day" Resurrection of "All"

John 6:39-40KJV

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Revelation 20:6KJV
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1.) The First Resurrection To Eternal Life
2.) The Second Resurrection To Eternal Damnation, Second Death

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The First Resurrection Of The Righteous Saved) The Dead In Christ Shall Rise "First"

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

(The Second Resurrection Of The Wicked To The Second Death In Eternal Damnation)

Revelation 20:13-14KJV
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.