The resurection at the time of great tribulation
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It's what the scriptures said... It's not from me. You would have to be blind both physically and spiritually to say it's not in the Bible.
And it's not just a One scripture text.... 1 Thes. 4:16 supports the first resurrection description in Rev. 20:5-6.
What you are doing to twist the scriptures is what Jesus describes in Matthew 23:24...
Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
I don't think it's worth sharing, after observing the lack of spiritual discernment and understanding that many displays here. Though I have seen some here who are able to digest meat, most of you struggles with baby food.
For now, learn to eat baby food until you are all ready for the hard meat.
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Real Big Smiles, Your The Meat Eater And Everyone Else Is On The Baby Food Diet
Post Your Interpretation Of The Chapters Given, Waiting?
Other thing the Rev 20 saints are not described as coming to life again, implying a physical resurrection of them as they are spiritually alive when they believe. And heaven is a dwelling place of people who are spiritually alive having had their spirits perfected.
Saints live forever, they are alive on earth and in heaven spiritually with Christ. This reigning is in Heaven, not on the earth, there is nothing here that says it is on the earth. Believers who depart the body, go to be with the Lord Jesus in heaven, and in heaven are kings and priests unto God. These thrones are in heaven, not on the earth.
Rev 1
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who [b]loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood, 6 and has made us [c]kings and priests to His God and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
Happens IN HEAVEN, not on earth
Revelation 3:21
To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years.
The rest of the dead are spiritually dead and never reign with Christ.
5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
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This interpretation is the only one that fits all the other scriptures about the resurrection of the dead, both evil and good happening simultaneously and on the LAST DAY as Jesus taught.
Actually ,the scripture shows these saints being beheaded and living again both in revelation and Ezekiel.
They also are not in the sky as revelation , Ezekiel and Daniel says they live under heaven and Ezekiel says they live in the land of Israel where their ancestors lived .Ezekiel in particular goes into great detail concerning them coming up out of their graves and Messiah reigning over them forever.
Daniel shows the kingdom being governed by the beast during their persecution and then given to them after the beast is consumed.
I'd advise you to start comparing scripture so you would get a better idea of what is actually going on with these saints who are resurected saints in the first resurection.
You interpretation completely fails as the resurrection is on the LAST DAY and with a millennial 1000 reign there are many more days left of the world to come. And there you go using the OC to interpret the New Testament. It is the other way round, the new interprets and defines what the old was saying.
Your interpretation of a day to the Lord fails as a day is 1000 years to the Lord.The millinium is 1 day to the Lord.
Get an education from the Bible before you attempt to teach your lies to other people
And just because you want nothing to do with the Lords Sabbath does not mean other people will want to miss in it as you do.You go ahead and remain dead for another 1000 years while the Lord and his servants reign in the Lord's kingdom.
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And about the only thing you got right is revelation 20 does say how many years it is from the time Israel is resurected from their graves and Gog comes against the resurected saints of Israel in the land of Israel.1000 years.
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Have you looked at Revelation 20:6 closely?
Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Compare what it says there with what John wrote earlier in the book here:
Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
I color coded each passage so that you can see the similarities. According to John in Rev 1:5-6, Jesus was already reigning at the time he wrote the book and believers were already made priests at that time. And it refers to Jesus as being "the first begotten of the dead", which is a reference to the fact that He was the first to rise from the dead unto bodily immortality (Acts 26:23, 1 Cor 15:20-23), making His resurrection the first resurrection. With all of this in mind, you should see that Revelation 20:6 speaks of a current reality.
John was not reigning over the nations while he was in prison was he?
The resurected saints who were beheaded for their witness of Jesus ,reigns with Christ over the nations in the Lords land.
Revelation 6
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
They keep Jesus works to the ends of their lives,then they are resurected first.
Revelation 2
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. Are you so dishonest that you are not willing to honestly address what I said and not willing to honestly address what Revelation 1:5-6 says? Where did I say anything about John reigning over the nations? Nowhere.
Address what the text actually says. It says that John and his fellow believers were MADE priests already back then. And John said at the time he was writing "Jesus Christ IS...the prince of the kings of the earth". So, He was clearly reigning already back then and His followers were priests already back then. So, instead of thinking reigning has something to do with being a dictator, why don't you accept that it says Jesus was reigning back then with His followers and then think about what that means instead of denying what the text clearly indicates?
You are twisting the meaning of "the first resurrection" to make it the same as "the first begotten of the dead". The harvest is not the same as the first fruit.
Also, by context you should have easily understood what is being referred to as "the first resurrection." in Rev. 20:5. Let me show you what you missed....
Revelation 20:4-5 (KJV)
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Matthew 13:47-50
47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
One resurrection and one judgement of all men. The judgement, not one of two judgments, not a judgment and 1000 yrs later another judgment.
Both happen when Christ returns on the last day
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
Hebrews 9
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be [j]purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are [k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Both happen when Christ returns on the last day
27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
Hebrews 9
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be [j]purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are [k]copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
An appointed day of judgment
Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”
32 And when they heard of the resurrection of the dead, some mocked, while others said, “We will hear you again on this matter.” 33 So Paul departed from among them. 34 However, some men joined him and believed, among them Dionysius the Areopagite, a woman named Damaris, and others with them.
Those who died in the lord, who reign with Christ in heaven
Those who reign with Christ in heaven in His first resurrection
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.
Those fallen asleep in the Lord, still long for the redemption of the body, their own resurrection, as we do too.
Romans 8:23
Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
For some to say those who have fallen asleep in the Lord are currently resurrected seems at odd with the scriptures to me. (The first resurrection). So the ones who are asleep in the Lord are spiritually alive in Christ, but have not yet been resurrected themselves.
When someone dies in the Lord, they are said to have fallen asleep, which refers to their body.
Those who reign with Christ in heaven in His first resurrection
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep.
Those fallen asleep in the Lord, still long for the redemption of the body, their own resurrection, as we do too.
Romans 8:23
Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body.
For some to say those who have fallen asleep in the Lord are currently resurrected seems at odd with the scriptures to me. (The first resurrection). So the ones who are asleep in the Lord are spiritually alive in Christ, but have not yet been resurrected themselves.
When someone dies in the Lord, they are said to have fallen asleep, which refers to their body.
Ephesians 2
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
We are raised together with Christ in His resurrection in heaven to sit with Him in heavenly places. This is not our resurrection of our body, we are raised together with HIM in His resurrection. Makes sense to me then that the millennial reign is we are raised together with Him and we rule with Him in heavenly places today! Not in a future 1000 year reign later on. See, therefore we have a blessed part in the first resurrection, and Christ went before us being the firstborn from the dead, being He is the first one raised from the dead, so then He is the first resurrection.
Are you pondering what I am pondering? Think on these things.
Raised up with Him means we ascend with Him, Christ into heavenly places, we are raised with Christ. Our life is hid with Christ in God. We are joined as one spirit with Him.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.
We are raised together with Christ in His resurrection in heaven to sit with Him in heavenly places. This is not our resurrection of our body, we are raised together with HIM in His resurrection. Makes sense to me then that the millennial reign is we are raised together with Him and we rule with Him in heavenly places today! Not in a future 1000 year reign later on. See, therefore we have a blessed part in the first resurrection, and Christ went before us being the firstborn from the dead, being He is the first one raised from the dead, so then He is the first resurrection.
Are you pondering what I am pondering? Think on these things.
Raised up with Him means we ascend with Him, Christ into heavenly places, we are raised with Christ. Our life is hid with Christ in God. We are joined as one spirit with Him.
Colossians 2:12
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [a]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
Colossians 3:1
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body [a]of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. 13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,
Colossians 3:1
If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God.
The resurected saints ,who are surrounded by Gog and the nations in revelation 20:9 are on earth when fire comes down from heaven and devours Gog upon the mountains of Israel.The resurected saints and the gentiles that come against them are in the land of Israel when Gog falls upon the mountains of Israel.
Revelation 20
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
"on the breadth of the earth"
"compassed the camp of the saints about"
No where does it say they are in the sky.
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