Strength and Honor: Triumphing over Feminism

[Wrangler]

Women are biologically different from men

Not just biologically. Women have different temperament and preferences. Feminism has been proven to be false even if Mink wears being a victim like a warm blanket that comforts her. Given the same opportunities, women make different choices.

This is not something to correct.

Women make different choices because they know what choices make them happier. Again, feminism has proven to be false. Women who fall for feminist lies are less happy. And this explains why women are not identifying as a feminists as much any more.

 

[MA2444]

Not just biologically. Women have different temperament and preferences. Feminism has been proven to be false even if Mink wears being a victim like a warm blanket that comforts her. Given the same opportunities, women make different choices.

This is not something to correct.

Not if the man wants to live, Lol.

Women make different choices because they know what choices make them happier. Again, feminism has proven to be false. Women who fall for feminist lies are less happy. And this explains why women are not identifying as a feminists as much any more.

I see that already too. I think women can see that it is wrong, they do need a man, and he needs them. But women operate according to their Emotions, and nowhere in scripture does it say that we should act accord to our emotions! God don't care what your carnal man think. God don't care how you feel. He has a will and we were all created to bring Him glory and Praise all the days of life. That is our purpose, and this dry run life on earth explained very well to us exactly why we want to serve Him and Glorify Him, out of Gratitude! We would not make it without God, we would all die.

But the good news, God is a great Guy! He is the best God we could ever want. He doesn't Lie! (Read that Promise Book!) Aint going to be any feminists in heaven! If they would treat their Patriarch on earth like they do then why would they treat God any different? So...No Feminists!

 

[Gottservant]

"A woman hears God's mysteries, before she understands them; and shares them, before she knows why she believes them (selah)"

 

[Wrangler]

I think women can see that it is wrong, they do need a man

That feminism makes women less happy is beyond the ego trap of ‘needing a man.’ It’s the stressful life that @Wynona has described many times. It’s the guilt of killing their own babies. It’s the insecurity - the opposite of the peace that comes with Christ that surpasses all understanding - of feeling the need to always prove yourself.

It’s the regret of the life - the good life as God intended - not lived. And yes, it is the loss of pair bonding joy when exchanged for being a slut.

 

[Wynona]

I think some posting here are missing the point of what Im saying.

If feminism was right, I should be a miserable woman. Feminism is either right or wrong about how women should live their lives compared to Scripture.

I have no financial power of my own. I am dependent on my husband financially. Id say I depend on him emotionally too. He leads our household and I'm submissive towards him.

I no longer argue salvation doctrine with men because Scripture commands women not to usurp the authority of men or speak in churches (1 Timothy).

Instead, most of my day is talking with my husband via headset and taking care of babies and chores.

God's Word on wives (A verse I rarely see taught) says this:

Titus 2:4-5
4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.

 

[Wynona]

It’s the regret of the life - the good life as God intended - not lived. And yes, it is the loss of pair bonding joy when exchanged for being a slut.

Yes.

 

[Mink57]

Christianity is a patriarchal religion. God is our Father and Christ is the Lord and patriarch of the Christian faith.

A good number of women love God's Word in it's whole counsel. These are the happiest women I know.

A college degree didnt make me happy.

Getting a well paid job did not make me happy.

Feminism opened the door for women to receive the same level of education as men, IF THEY WANTED. While getting that degree didn't make *you* happy, it doesn't mean that other women wouldn't be happy. The same goes for a woman getting a well-paid job.

I knew a woman in the workforce who absolutely HATED working. She wanted to stay home and have babies. She was married and doing what her husband wanted her to do. That is, he wanted her to work for a few years so they could build up their savings more quickly before they started having children. So, doing what her husband wanted her to do did not make her happy.

God the Father fathers me perfectly and heals me of daddy issues from my passive father. He has made me happy.

Learning to serve like Jesus in my home honestly makes me happy.

My two young babies have made me happy---the miracles that they are.

Being married to a confident, capable, and compassionate man has made me happy and is a great honor.

Feminist culture almost robbed me of these things. My selfish mindset, all about me---that almost destroyed my happiness.

We are downstream of feminism. Selfish pleasure seeking and narcissism in women are the result.

And selfish pleasure seeking and narcissism IN MEN is the result of.....? I'll give you a hint: It's NOT the result of feminism.

 

[Wrangler]

Feminism opened the door for women to receive the same level of education as men, IF THEY WANTED.

You give feminism too much credit. The reason women were not historically educated was limited resources. I know you cannot imagine a society that has to be economical about its use of resources but that is most of human history.

And men were not better off, not afforded an education IF THEY WANTED. They had to work at a young age to survive. My former father-in-law only went to the 6th grade. My grandmother was proud to have graduated from high school because in her day many (if not most) did not. So, it was not men oppressing women but the rich having benefits the poor do not - and feminism will not stop this competitive advantage.

 

[Mink57]

This does nothing to defeat my argument. Are you more able to speak for women as a man?

I have never seen a woman happier for rejecting Christian principals. Sin is pleasurable for a season but there is always a price to pay.

I have no desire to control anyone but they ought to be informed of the cost of each choice. I stand by that. Just like feminists have a right to preach the virtues of higher education, career, and seats of power, I have the right to say thete's another way.

But you're not saying "There's another way." You're saying that YOUR way is the BEST way for ALL. That YOUR way of interpreting the bible is the RIGHT way...which is NOT true.

Women are biologically different from men and the Word of God is a blessing to any woman that applies it to her life.

I speak boldly on purpose. All women stand to gain by applying the Bible to their lives because the Bible is way more in tune with the nature of women than feminism is.

Once again, it depends on how one interprets the bible.

 

[Wrangler]

But you're not saying "There's another way." You're saying that YOUR way is the BEST way for ALL. That YOUR way of interpreting the bible is the RIGHT way...which is NOT true.

Once again, it depends on how one interprets the bible.

Finally! It only took 2649 posts. What verse says there is another way besides the way Scripture states is THE way? Or to use your lingo, what verse do you interpret to mean there is another way besides the way Scripture states is THE way?

 

[Wynona]

But you're not saying "There's another way." You're saying that YOUR way is the BEST way for ALL. That YOUR way of interpreting the bible is the RIGHT way...which is NOT true.

Im not wrong and yes, I do think the bible's way, the way Ive chosen is best of all.

Im confident my way is correct. Are you?

 

[Mink57]

Finally! It only took 2649 posts. What verse says there is another way besides the way Scripture states is THE way? Or to use your lingo, what verse do you interpret to mean there is another way besides the way Scripture states is THE way?

O.k. I'll bite...

Ephesians 5:22 "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord." However, there are other translations of that verse that call for the wife to "obey" her husband or to be "subject" to their husbands or to be "under the authority of" their husbands. Meanwhile, the original verse does NOT call specifically for wives to submit. The original 5:21 says to: Submit (or be subject to) one another out of reverence for Christ" and leads to "Wives to your own husbands." The word 'submit' or 'obey in the original of 5:22 is nowhere to be found.

Seems that a number of people misinterpret this to mean that the wife is to do ALL of the submitting, because the husband isn't specifically told to submit. Yet in Ephesians 5:21 it says, "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Some people interpret 5:21 to have nothing to do with 5:22. Others interpret it to include submission between husbands and wives. In other words, husbands are to submit to their wives JUST AS MUCH as wives are to submit to their husbands. Each parties' submission may look different, but it's there nonetheless. Plus, there are other verses of Paul's that show a clear mutual relationship of submission between husband and wife; not one of 'dominance' one-sided 'submission' or even 'leadership'.

So what say you, Wrangler? Are husbands and wives supposed to submit to one another, or is ONLY the wife supposed to do all of the submitting?

Ephesians 5:33 says: "However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband." Now, the verse doesn't say that the husband must respect his wife, nor does it say that a wife must love her husband. But just imagine if a woman read this verse and thought, "Well, I might have to respect my husband, but I don't have to LOVE him, because the bible doesn't say that I have to love him!" Or if a man reads it and thinks, "Well, I might have to love my wife, but the bible doesn't say that I have to RESPECT her!"

Meanwhile, what does Jesus say? "Do Unto Others." That includes doing unto your own spouse. Respect your wife as you would want HER to respect YOU. Love your husband as you would want HIM to love YOU.

 

[Mink57]

Im not wrong and yes, I do think the bible's way, the way Ive chosen is best of all.

Im confident my way is correct. Are you?

You believe that your interpretation is the RIGHT way. And while your interpretation may work for YOU, it won't work for ALL women.

I am confident that *my* way is correct in that it works for ME. I also understand that my way won't work for others, AND I respect that...

...which is something you don't do.

You started this entire thread referencing Proverbs 31. Your very first sentence on this thread was, "The woman of Proverbs 31 is being praised. But her way of life is insulted today."

The woman of Proverbs 31 was a working woman. She had her own money...made her own decisions about finances for her family. Even bought land...something that married Colonial women in the US were not allowed to do...until feminism appeared. The woman of Prvb. 31 didn't need or even seek her husband's permission nor approval for her decisions because he TRUSTED HER JUDGMENT. The verses do not say that she had her children in tow as she was wheeling and dealing. She had maidservants to help her with the domestic stuff...something most women can't afford these days.

At no time in that Proverb does it say that her husband was a controlling a-hole who expected his wife to 'obey' him...or that she was ONLY to take care of her husband and family by remaining in the house. She may have had a family, but she was out and about in the business world.

I don't think that what YOU want is even comparable to the woman in Proverbs 31.

 

[Wrangler]

So what say you, Wrangler? Are husbands and wives supposed to submit to one another, or is ONLY the wife supposed to do all of the submitting?

We’ve been through this numerous times darling. It’s sad that you interpret the Godly way for a woman to live is a construction of dominance or submission. It’s much more than that, starting with a humble attitude.

To answer your question, it pivots on the basis of submission. Mutual submission is out of love and applies to all Christian’s to one another. I’ve used this example many times. One of my friends calls and asks me to go out to dinner. I submit and say yes. He asks me where and when and he submits to me. Mutual submission.

This loving and submissive dynamic also applies to husband and wife. When it comes to authority, there is no question; the wife is to submit to the husband.

I don’t exercise authority over my wife often. Most of the time, we submit to one another out of LOVE.

The Biblical way to live is more than the question of submission. It is about who is the center of your life? Who does your actions glorify? In feminism, the answer is gyno-centric and I’m sure you know that is not THE WAY the Bible teaches.

 

[Wynona]

he TRUSTED HER JUDGMENT.

To be trusted in a marriage, you have to display trustworthiness. Women today are not taught how to display this in a marriage. Today, its all about women and what they want, not becoming one flesh.

The Bible calls wives to submit because actions speak louder than words when it comes to being trustworthy to a man.

If the Proverbs 31 woman worked to provide for her home in all seasons. There is no evidence that she worked outside her home. Spinning wool and flax are activities she would have done at home. There were no factories back then.

And women could own property before feminism. There's no historical evidence to back up "women could not own property before feminism."

At this point you are clearly reaching for Scripture to back up modern feminism. I dont feel inclined to repond anymore. Youre opposing me for opposition's sake.

 

[Mink57]

We’ve been through this numerous times darling. It’s sad that you interpret the Godly way for a woman to live is a construction of dominance or submission. It’s much more than that, starting with a humble attitude.

Nope. Not ONLY women who need to have a humble attitude. THAT'S what you and a 'few' other men don't seem to get. You're so concerned about how women treat *you* and not at all concerned about how *you* treat THEM.

To answer your question, it pivots on the basis of submission. Mutual submission is out of love and applies to all Christian’s to one another. I’ve used this example many times. One of my friends calls and asks me to go out to dinner. I submit and say yes. He asks me where and when and he submits to me. Mutual submission.

This loving and submissive dynamic also applies to husband and wife. When it comes to authority, there is no question; the wife is to submit to the husband.

Christ said, "Do Unto Others." You as a husband want to have 'authority'? You willing to 'let' your wife have authority?
Wife should submit to her husband, but husband needs to submit to wife TOO. Otherwise, you're not practicing the Golden Rule..that's issued by CHRIST.

I don’t exercise authority over my wife often. Most of the time, we submit to one another out of LOVE.

The Biblical way to live is more than the question of submission. It is about who is the center of your life? Who does your actions glorify? In feminism, the answer is gyno-centric and I’m sure you know that is not THE WAY the Bible teaches.

No, in feminism it's not about some gyno-centric ideal. It's about fairness...as Christ teaches.

I don't know about *your* God, but the God *I* pray to is fair. Consider Genesis 1:27: "God created MANKIND in his own image. In the image of God he created THEM. Male and Female he created them."

This speaks of a simultaneous creation...which makes sense...since neither man OR woman could continue the species without each other. And God gave BOTH men AND women domination over the earth. At no time in that first 'story' did God give dominion over women.

But becaue of your own arrogance, you see the OTHER creation story

To be trusted in a marriage, you have to display trustworthiness. Women today are not taught how to display this in a marriage. Today, its all about women and what they want, not becoming one flesh.

The Bible calls wives to submit because actions speak louder than words when it comes to being trustworthy to a man.

If the Proverbs 31 woman worked to provide for her home in all seasons. There is no evidence that she worked outside her home. Spinning wool and flax are activities she would have done at home. There were no factories back then.

And women could own property before feminism. There's no historical evidence to back up "women could not own property before feminism."

At this point you are clearly reaching for Scripture to back up modern feminism. I dont feel inclined to repond anymore. Youre opposing me for opposition's sake.

So what did she do? 2000+ years ago?
Pick up her cell phone and make a call...?

 

[Wrangler]

Nope. Not ONLY women who need to have a humble attitude. THAT'S what you and a 'few' other men don't seem to get. You're so concerned about how women treat *you* and not at all concerned about how *you* treat THEM.

Defensive. I was talking about everyone. Everyone needs to have a humble attitude to understand THE WAY from the Bible. And this includes women. This includes you. No reason to content what is obvious.

This reveals your guilty conscious, swelled ego and contentious spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

You willing to 'let' your wife have authority?

See how you change the subject? You cannot discuss the Biblical requirement for wives to submit to their husbands authority.

To answer your question, it pivots on the basis of submission. Mutual submission is out of love and applies to all Christian’s to one another.

When it comes to authority, there is no question; the wife is to submit to the husband.

@Mink57, do you consider yourself a Christian?

 

[Mink57]

To be trusted in a marriage, you have to display trustworthiness. Women today are not taught how to display this in a marriage. Today, its all about women and what they want, not becoming one flesh.

Ha, ha! You should REALLY stop payin attention to women and START paying attention to MEN.

Sorry, but there's way too many "Christian" men out there who don't act Christian with their wives at all..

The Bible calls wives to submit because actions speak louder than words when it comes to being trustworthy to a man.

If the Proverbs 31 woman worked to provide for her home in all seasons. There is no evidence that she worked outside her home. Spinning wool and flax are activities she would have done at home. There were no factories back then.

And women could own property before feminism. There's no historical evidence to back up "women could not own property before feminism."

At this point you are clearly reaching for Scripture to back up modern feminism. I dont feel inclined to repond anymore. Youre opposing me for opposition's sake.

 

[Wynona]

Feminism is not just unbiblical, it's stupid.

Submit to a husband who loves you? Oh no!

Submit to a boss who doesn't care about you? You go, queen.