Woke woman "pastor" mocks Jesus with unbelievable words

[Hidden In Him]

What is the appropriate response then?

As opposed to deliberately ostracizing them, I would tell them that God loves them just as He does all human beings, and that like all human beings if they have proclivities to certain sins then those things need to be brought under submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.

If a family in your church has a child with gender dysphoria, what do you do?

Most children have not made their minds up concretely about much of anything, so I would speak to the parents about what they were doing first.

 

[Truth7t7]

The letters in LGBTQ all stand for different but related issues.
Do you have any idea what they mean? The church is so ignorant on this subject.

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MA2444 covered it in post #60 above

Quote MA2444 Post #60:

"They all mean the same thing.

S E X U A L D E V I A N C Y

S E X U A L I M M O R A L I T Y.

What's hard about that?"

 

[St. SteVen]

MA2444 covered it in post #60 above

Quote MA2444 Post #60:

"They all mean the same thing.

S E X U A L D E V I A N C Y

S E X U A L I M M O R A L I T Y.

What's hard about that?"

That is the ignorance I am referring to.

Understanding LGBTQ - 101 / Terminology:
(note: we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to understand them)
I'm not an expert by any stretch; but this is what I have learned to date.

Birth Sex: The sex/gender you were born with.
Determined by the presence of male or female genitalia.
A small percentage are born with dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities.
See "Gender Assigned at Birth" below.

Gender Assigned at Birth: Now part of the paperwork doctors are required to fill out.
Allowing for parents to assign Non-Binary gender on the birth certificate.
Previously this was reserved for doctors and parents (hopefully) in cases of
dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities. (this subject is new to me)

Gender Identity: In most cases gender is determined by birth sex.
But as we have all seen, hormonal imbalances can give us a broad range of maleness and femaleness.
There are very masculine females and very feminine males. and everything in between.
See Gender Roles and Gender Dysphoria below.

Gender Roles: We see early signs of children gravitating toward gender specific interests.
Typically girls play with dolls and boys prefer trucks. But not always. Happens as early as 3 to 5 years.
We have seen a lot of evening out in this area. Opportunities for women in typically male roles.
Things have gone in the other direction as well. With more and more stay-at-home Dads.

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Transgender: A range of reactions to gender dysphoria. Manifesting in anything from
clothing and hair style preferences and name change to gender reassignment surgery.

Sexual Orientation: Attraction to opposite sex, or same-sex partners.
Note: Transgenderism does NOT automatically effect a change in sexual orientation.

Monogamous Relationships:
A couple in a lifetime commitment to each other regardless of sexual orientation.
Again, we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to UNDERSTAND them
in order to have any meaningful relationships with LGBTQ humans.

Discussion questions:
Please use the terminology laid about above in the discussion, thanks.
1) Were LGBTQ humans created in the image of God?
2) Does God love LGBTQ humans?
3) Did Jesus die to pay the death penalty for LGBTQ humans?
4) Has the church recognized these factors?
5) Has the church acted accordingly?
6) What is your church, or fellowship, doing about this issue?
7) What can you do personally to grapple with this issue?

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[Debp]

The letters in LGBTQ all stand for different but related issues.
Do you have any idea what they mean? The church is so ignorant on this subject.

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Keep it simple: It means these people have been deceived and led astray by the evil one. Instead of coming to Christ for forgiveness and help with their sins, they have instead made sex their God. Their whole minds are focused on sex.

 

[Lizbeth]

As opposed to deliberately ostracizing them, I would tell them that God loves them just as He does all human beings, and that like all human beings if they have proclivities to certain sins then those things need to be brought under submission to the Lord Jesus Christ.


Most children have not made their minds up concretely about much of anything, so I would speak to the parents about what they were doing first.

Amen. Parents and churches need to be in prayer for the children....and the bible says to "TRAIN a child up in the way they should go.... " God's word is an anchor for the soul, especially in a society that is no longer fixed upon it and every soul is going every which way that seemeth right to them (but leads to a bad end)......so teach and train/discipline the children from the word of God (without condemnation). The battle is heating up in these days.

 

[MA2444]

That is the ignorance I am referring to.

Understanding LGBTQ - 101 / Terminology:
(note: we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to understand them)
I'm not an expert by any stretch; but this is what I have learned to date.

Birth Sex: The sex/gender you were born with.
Determined by the presence of male or female genitalia.
A small percentage are born with dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities.
See "Gender Assigned at Birth" below.

Gender Assigned at Birth: Now part of the paperwork doctors are required to fill out.
Allowing for parents to assign Non-Binary gender on the birth certificate.
Previously this was reserved for doctors and parents (hopefully) in cases of
dual genitalia (asexual) or genitalia abnormalities. (this subject is new to me)

Gender Identity: In most cases gender is determined by birth sex.
But as we have all seen, hormonal imbalances can give us a broad range of maleness and femaleness.
There are very masculine females and very feminine males. and everything in between.
See Gender Roles and Gender Dysphoria below.

Gender Roles: We see early signs of children gravitating toward gender specific interests.
Typically girls play with dolls and boys prefer trucks. But not always. Happens as early as 3 to 5 years.
We have seen a lot of evening out in this area. Opportunities for women in typically male roles.
Things have gone in the other direction as well. With more and more stay-at-home Dads.

Gender Dysphoria: The situation where a birth sex male feels that they are a female in a male body.
Or a birth sex female feels that they are a male in a female body. Usually realized in adolescence.
However, some children as young as 3 to 5 years old are acting on strong urges to opposite gender behavior.
Unfortunate, this has been OVER-STRESSED in recent years to epidemic proportions.
Gender identity is being pushed on anyone with a hormonal balance in either direction.
And has become popular in teen culture to pursue gender identity opposite their birth sex.

Transgender: A range of reactions to gender dysphoria. Manifesting in anything from
clothing and hair style preferences and name change to gender reassignment surgery.

Sexual Orientation: Attraction to opposite sex, or same-sex partners.
Note: Transgenderism does NOT automatically effect a change in sexual orientation.

Monogamous Relationships:
A couple in a lifetime commitment to each other regardless of sexual orientation.
Again, we don't need to AGREE with these terms, but we do need to UNDERSTAND them
in order to have any meaningful relationships with LGBTQ humans.

Discussion questions:
Please use the terminology laid about above in the discussion, thanks.
1) Were LGBTQ humans created in the image of God?
2) Does God love LGBTQ humans?
3) Did Jesus die to pay the death penalty for LGBTQ humans?
4) Has the church recognized these factors?
5) Has the church acted accordingly?
6) What is your church, or fellowship, doing about this issue?
7) What can you do personally to grapple with this issue?

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So your saying that a Vodka Alcoholic is different than a Tequila Alcoholic.

Nice try!

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The letters in LGBTQ all stand for different but related issues.
Do you have any idea what they mean? The church is so ignorant on this subject.

Keep it simple: It means these people have been deceived and led astray by the evil one. Instead of coming to Christ for forgiveness and help with their sins, they have instead made sex their God. Their whole minds are focused on sex.

This is the level of ignorance I am addressing here.
Are you claiming that a child with gender dysphoria is "led astray by the evil one" and "focused on sex"?
Do you even know what gender dysphoria is?

Is a person accountable for their estrogen and testosterone levels?

Do you put a tomboy in the same category as a lesbian?

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[St. SteVen]

Amen. Parents and churches need to be in prayer for the children....and the bible says to "TRAIN a child up in the way they should go.... " God's word is an anchor for the soul, especially in a society that is no longer fixed upon it and every soul is going every which way that seemeth right to them (but leads to a bad end)......so teach and train/discipline the children from the word of God (without condemnation). The battle is heating up in these days.

What does the Bible say about gender dysphoria?

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[Scott Downey]

What is the appropriate response then?
If a family in your church has a child with gender dysphoria, what do you do?

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All you can do is tell them the truth, God is the one who opens someone's heart to what He says to all people.

The church can judge its own, we do not judge the unbelieving world, God does that

1 Cor 5

Immorality Must Be Judged​

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to [f]keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

 

[Wrangler]

The church is so ignorant on this subject.

You continue to play the devil's fool not focusing on what is good but what is evil and where the line is. You should ignore evil things, not obsess over them!

 

[MA2444]

Do you put a tomboy in the same category as a lesbian?

Is the gtbzj's trying to steal the term Tomboy now? The two are apples & oranges and can not be in the same catagory.

Lesibans are gay. That's all there is to it. The term Tomboy does not mean masculine. The term Tomboy means a girl who is the rough and tumble type. She will wrassle you and if'n you aint careful, she might throw you! Personally, I've always liked Tomboys. I like a girl who can wrestle. What good is a Tiger with no claws? Stop trying to change the meaning of the term to benefit gays.

Oh! I broke a nail, Tragedy!!! Lol.

 

[Scott Downey]

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[Verily]

Arent the words tom boy and lesbian just made up words to group women in some sort of category?

In my day, I was considered a tom boy because I did not like to play with dolls and play dress up (things like that) but rough housed around, loved to fish, play sports, and so run with the boys in those things. Whereas someone considered a lesbian is someone who lusts after other women, these are not in the same category at all. The first has nothing to do with sexual lust, whereas the latter has everything to do with unnatural sexual lust.

Edit:Typo

 

[St. SteVen]

You continue to play the devil's fool not focusing on what is good but what is evil and where the line is. You should ignore evil things, not obsess over them!

What would you do if one of your children came out to you as gay?
Would you focus on what is good? I hope so.

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[St. SteVen]

Arent the words tom boy and lesbian just made up words to group women in some sort of category?

In my day, I was considered a tom boy because I did not like to play with dolls and play dress up (things like that) but rough housed around, loved to fish, play sports, and so run with the boys in those things. Whereas someone considered a lesbian is someone who lusts after other women, these are not in the same category at all. The first has nothing to do with sexual lust, whereas the latter has everything to do with unnatural sexual lust.

Agree.
This is where the double standard is. Tomboys are acceptable but pink-boys are not.

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[Verily]

Agree.
This is where the double standard is. Tomboys are acceptable but pink-boys are not.

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I never heard of a pink boy before, unless the word is just another way of describing what might be more rightly called effeminate? Regardless, all the above words are just made up words. They do the same with words like adultery too, someone might call it a "fling, or an affair" just to give it a more acceptable vibe.

 

[Wrangler]

What would you do if one of your children came out to you as gay?
Would you focus on what is good? I hope so.

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Doing evil under any pretext is NOT good.

 

[St. SteVen]

I never heard of a pink boy before, unless the word is just another way of describing what might be more rightly called effeminate? Regardless, all the above words are just made up words. They do the same with words like adultery too, someone might call it a "fling, or an affair" just to give it a more acceptable vibe.

A pink-boy likes to play with dolls and dress up. (with girls)
The opposite of a tomboy.

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[St. SteVen]

Doing evil under any pretext is NOT good.

Do you know anyone who is gay?

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[Wrangler]

Do you know anyone who is gay?

Stop! Just stop.

Stop trying to make this personal. Stop obsessing with the line between good and evil.