Scriptures that show that Christs death saved a person while in unbelief !
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No, I won't use scripture (
) as I have already posted plenty of it showing that God gives the gift of Christ freely. Why would He do this if He thought we should NOT accept this free gift from God Almighty??! Sorry but, I will not be reading your bloviating posts any more. "spiritual maturity.
A mature person is positive under pressure. ...
A mature person is sensitive to people. ...
A mature person has mastered his mouth. ...
A mature person is a peacemaker, not a troublemaker. ...
A mature person is patient and prayerful."
YOU need to look in the mirror.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
That is not how God says we are Born Again...those are your words..your testimony..I go by Gods Living testimony..as his word says.No, I won't use scripture (
LOL...where does God say you are free to birth our spirit into his?
Spirit gives birth to spirit?..
We must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.....you lack “ heart knowledge “..otherwise imo, you would have been able to answer my posts.
...as for my bloviating posts...no comment..I will carry on posting my bloviating posts.....which you have no understanding of..plus all questions evaded by you.
I do look in the mirror..you seriously need to do the same..
Instead of taking offence when someone doesn’t agree with “ your “ doctrine
And no, that is not how Jesus says that we are Born Again.
A shame you can’t pick me up on where I’m bloviating?
I speak from the heart...and will continue to do so...
bloviate
/ˈbləʊvɪeɪt/verb
talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Do you mean that they were already redeemed before the foundation of the world?
They just didn’t know it, not until their anointed time?
In other words a Born Again was chosen and predestined to become a child of God....Yes, I believe that.
His word says below ,in bold and underlined.......yet some people try and twist the scripture to say...God foreknew that we would believe in him, which makes no sense, as it’s mans word added to Gods word.
We were chosen and predestined to be conformed into Jesus image.....that is a very honourable and privileged spiritual position to be in....Praise God and Glorify His Name always.
Romans 8
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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Behold
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Everyone is a sinner, as "all have sinned".
Once they become a Christian, then they are a child of God, as a "new creation in Christ".
To become THAT child of God, you have to be born again spiritually.
If you're not, you remain a spiritual child of the devil.
"TULIP" Theology..... The teaching of Hyper Calvinism... or the ( "5-Points")... is a "doctrine of devils", and people who want to lead non believers and Christians into this Satanic theology, are no better.
This doctrine has caused many to doubt their salvation. If Adam ushered in the sin nature where as ALL are born with depravity (which I do believe), then what happened to the "all people" under Christ are offered the gift? Seems like a double standard to me.
Romans 5:14
"1 Corinthians 15:21-22
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. / For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive."
Ritajanice
Born-Again
As a new babe, I wasn’t able to understand how I became Born Again...I just knew in my spirit that I was Born Again....I have never doubted my rebirth ...because God gave me the supernatural faith to know him in my spirit.Born Again of imperishable seed.
I have matured in the Spirit..he has brought me to understand what it means to be Born Again...I know nothing without the Spirit.
I’ve been told I’m satanic/ A Calvinist/ it’s all in my emotions,etc,etc...there is no one on the planet who can make me doubt my salvation.....why, because it was God given...chosen and predestined to be Born Of The Spirit.
All in Christ are the Born Again..they are Alive in Christ Spirit...
I have matured in the Spirit..he has brought me to understand what it means to be Born Again...I know nothing without the Spirit.
I’ve been told I’m satanic/ A Calvinist/ it’s all in my emotions,etc,etc...there is no one on the planet who can make me doubt my salvation.....why, because it was God given...chosen and predestined to be Born Of The Spirit.
All in Christ are the Born Again..they are Alive in Christ Spirit...
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@Behold
Yet everyone isnt Gods children, the children of God. You have as sinners the children of God, and the children of the devil 1 Jn 3 10
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus died to redeem the children of God and gather them to Himself Jn 11:51-52
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
He died for not only thee children of God of the nation of israel, but also for the ones among the Gentiles.
He didnt die for the devil and his children, sorry
Yet everyone isnt Gods children, the children of God. You have as sinners the children of God, and the children of the devil 1 Jn 3 10
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus died to redeem the children of God and gather them to Himself Jn 11:51-52
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
He died for not only thee children of God of the nation of israel, but also for the ones among the Gentiles.
He didnt die for the devil and his children, sorry
Behold
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A key is to understand that God would never want us to doubt our Salvation, as He provided it, on The Cross.
= Jesus is our Salvation.
We should never doubt this............yet, Satan would have us doubt it.
And he uses the NT and false theology and deceived people to try to lead us to doubt.........GOD's Salvation.
See that?
What a false theology does, is try to get you to doubt God's Salvation, by convincing a person that Salvation is based on our behavior.
And its not.
False theology is always.........>"what you do, and how you do it, is how you stay saved"....
God's Salvation is......>"Christ did it, and you get it for FREE" because its "The Gift of Salvation", as that is God's GRACE.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
You can’t doubt your salvation, if you have been Born Of The Spirit.
We are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
The Living seed penetrates our heart/ spirit when it becomes Born Again....the Living seed is the Holy Spirit...only he can birth our spirit.
We are Born Again of imperishable seed that liveth and abideth forever.
The Living seed penetrates our heart/ spirit when it becomes Born Again....the Living seed is the Holy Spirit...only he can birth our spirit.
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Behold
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Most Christians doubt their salvation, to some degree.
See, our mind is not born again........so, the mind that is not trained to understand that we are "the righteousness of God in Christ", .. = when a Christian's mind does not know this, and believe this.. then they will believe that their salvation is based on their behavior<.
This is why people confess sin, and live in 1 JN 1, instead of "i am the righteousness of God in Christ".
At least 70% of the people on this Forum believe they can lose their salvation.
And they believe this because they do not understand their Salvation, so, in this wrong mind, they flail and worry and doubt and are confused , because they do not understand who they have become 'IN CHRIST" as a "new Creation".
In fact...when they commit some bad behavior, they worry that ......>>"well, my salvation is messed up"... "so i need to confess that sin so that i get it back".........."dont want to lose my salvation, so, i better be good".
See that?
This type of Christian has not learned the basics about The Cross of Christ.. and that is partly their fault, but its mostly the fault of their Church or their Denomination that has kept them away from the revelation of who they have become "in Christ".
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No, our mind is not Born Again...our spirit is...
We grow once our spirit is Born Again..the Spirit teaches us all things,
I don’t understand those who doubt....my heart/ spirit can never doubt.
I would say it’s to do with the heart/ spirit...not the mind.
We are forever growing in Christ.....I believe many have different levels of faith.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
@brightfame52 ...it would help if you could answer my questions..instead of ignoring them.
Especially as it’s your thread...or maybe you don’t understand my questions?
Especially as it’s your thread...or maybe you don’t understand my questions?
Behold
Well-Known Member
Yes, but the person has to spend time with the Spirit.
And so, that means bible reading and quiet time, and bathing in things that spiritually grow us, like good bible teaching.
Most Christians, are binging on Netflix, and worrying about buying something new., or they are tied to the whipping post with "family matters".. for 30 yrs.
Life gets in the way of "spiritual development" and Satan will make sure of it.
Most Believers end up mind trapped by a cult theology, and never get past Hebrews 6:1.
Its because you dont believe that God only keeps you if you are good.
If all Christians could understand that God took them when they are very BAD, therefore now that they are forgive all sin forever and are become "God's Righteousness" then they would stop trying to keep themselves saved., and just enjoy God's Grace that is the power to live a perfected discipleship.
Most Christians believe that they have to work their way into heaven, AFTER they are already there.......>"seated in heavenly places in Christ".
Many members on this forum, will argue till they pass out from exhaustion that you have to confess your sins, or they are not forgiven, which means if you die like that, you wont go to heaven., they believe.
So, this person, has no understanding of The Cross of Christ or the "blood atonement".
God's Salvation is a mystery to them......utterly.
Recently i lost one of my oldest friends........lifelong friend.. .We were "boy hood" friends, since i was 10 yrs old.
My spirit is still heavy with this loss and my mind has been thinking about this situation a lot.
What im feeling is both of those., the spirit and the mind.
Well, there is the one time faith in Christ that we give to God, that He accepts to accept us forever.
= "Justification by Faith".
And then there is the daily walk of faith........were we live by faith.
Behold
Well-Known Member
@brightfame52
Hyper Calvinism, and John Calvin teach that in every family (mother, dad, brothers, children, grand parents)... = this Satanic Tulip Theology teaches that some of your family are born to burn in the lake of fire, because God limited the Cross so that it does not apply to them". = So that means that some of your family, according to Satanic TULIP "the 5 points" is teaching that some of your family are born to burn in the Lake of Fire.....(REALLY)...so, do you know who this is, in your family? Is it your mother, your children, your wife, your grandmother "????
So....Who has Calvin and Hyper-Calvinism defined in YOUR FAMILY as "born to burn"...."refused The Cross".. and are "predestined to the lake of fire".. simply for being born, of which, noone has a choice to be born here....
See that Reader? You wont find a Calvinist who wants to deal with that reality check, yet they all want to lead you into this Theology of Demonic Insanity.
Why?
Because Christians want to lead you to CHRIST.......and a Calvinist wants to lead you to CALVINISM..
Those are not the same..
God hates Calvinism.... "TULIP", "The 5 Points".
Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Believe it.
Hyper Calvinism, and John Calvin teach that in every family (mother, dad, brothers, children, grand parents)... = this Satanic Tulip Theology teaches that some of your family are born to burn in the lake of fire, because God limited the Cross so that it does not apply to them". = So that means that some of your family, according to Satanic TULIP "the 5 points" is teaching that some of your family are born to burn in the Lake of Fire.....(REALLY)...so, do you know who this is, in your family? Is it your mother, your children, your wife, your grandmother "????
So....Who has Calvin and Hyper-Calvinism defined in YOUR FAMILY as "born to burn"...."refused The Cross".. and are "predestined to the lake of fire".. simply for being born, of which, noone has a choice to be born here....
See that Reader? You wont find a Calvinist who wants to deal with that reality check, yet they all want to lead you into this Theology of Demonic Insanity.
Why?
Because Christians want to lead you to CHRIST.......and a Calvinist wants to lead you to CALVINISM..
Those are not the same..
God hates Calvinism.... "TULIP", "The 5 Points".
Jesus is not a Calvinist.
Believe it.
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
What do you mean spend time with the Spirit?
The Spirit has birthed our spirit, The Spirit testifies with my spirit all day every day that I am Born Of The Spirit...I grow in faith knowing this truth.
A bit like ,still being in the world....it’s very complicated to understand...God is in control of his children...I don’t worry about where I am at, in my walk with Christ...
It certainly can, Satan can get in our heads and become a real strong hold...God allowed him to get into my head..I grew from that terrible experience...my faith grew...I learnt perseverance..still am..
Never happened to me..
God keeps me...regardless of my temper tantrums at times...he will never leave me..that doesn’t mean I can choose to do whatever I please, that’s not true..a Born Again cannot go on sinning because they have been Born Of God.
Well. You and I agree that God no longer sees our sin, that we don’t sin..
I must admit, I thought that as a new babe..that’s all part and parcel of growing in maturity..a Born Again is being conformed into Jesus image..it’s inevitable that we will grow, as our spirit is Born Again..
I know..sad.
I guess so.
Sorry to hear that..I understand ..
I never gave God my faith..he gifted me supernatural faith when my spirit became Born Again...I’ve already been over this with you many times and I ain’t going over it again...so I agree to disagree..
I started to walk in faith, once my spirit was Born Again, that is when I know God in my spirit.
Behold
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Essentially,
That is alone time with God.
Prayer, praise, bible reading.
Its sitting at God's feet, and just loving Him with your heart and soul.
Doing this every day, until it becomes your entire day.......thats the goal.
There is your Salvation, that is God's gift to you, and its provided by Jesus's life and death and resurrection.
And now having God's salvation, we as disciples, live for God, daily.........but not to be saved........or to try to stay saved.........but only because we recognize that we have eternal life, and we want to give back to God... ourselves.
God does not cast demons into you, and God does not "allow Satan into your head".
Its Calvinism that has God coming after you with Satan.
Put that demonic stuff in the dumpster, as that theology is not of God.
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Yet everyone isnt Gods children, the children of God. You have as sinners the children of God, and the children of the devil 1 Jn 3 10
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
Jesus died to redeem the children of God and gather them to Himself Jn 11:51-52
51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.
He died for not only thee children of God of the nation of israel, but also for the ones among the Gentiles.
He didnt die for the devil and his children, sorry
Ritajanice
Born-Again
I do that from within, seek God out with all your heart for there is where you will find him.
It’s because of Jesus death and resurrection that I can become Born Again.
We are Born Again and saved from eternal damnation....we can’t be un-birthed from the Spirit Of God.
Who said he did?
God does allow the enemy into our minds ...
“Satan can put thoughts in our minds, but God has given us everything we need to recognize them and renounce them.” You have the word of God in your hand like a sword, and you put the shield up, and you trust the word of God, the truth
We are taught how to do this....it takes time to grow in spirit knowledge.
I am not interested in what you think or say about me...I go by the word of God..your accusations have no affect on me.
Nonsense.....God tests our faith and he allows the enemy to bombard our minds ...not now...he can’t bombard my mind, as my faith is in God...you need to understand what it means to grow in faith.
It’s not a bed of roses..as you seem to make out it is...as his word says, we face many trials and tribulations.
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Behold
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Not according to the Bible.
Not according to how God deals with His Children.
So, if you believe that God causes cancer, and abortions, and Hitler, and allows the devil into your head then your understanding of God, is not according to God's understanding of Himself.
See, its JOHN the liar CALVIN, who has recreated GOD, as a cosmic psychopath, who wont allow some people to be saved, and who causes all the bad to happen to you that has happened.
Listen, @Ritajanice ... God is JUST LIKE JESUS.......and did you ever read a verse that showed JESUS as letting the Devil do something to someone?
Did Jesus ever cause anyone to be SICK, or have a DEMON?
Jesus said....>"if you've seen me, you've SEEN the Father".
What Calvinism also does.........is it causes its deceived to believe that what Satan is doing.....God is causing.
That is how demonic it is.......as this man was of the DEVIL.
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