Okay then. According to your logic, repentance and baptism, are all works of the flesh in order to receive salvation?
Scriptures that show that Christs death saved a person while in unbelief !
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Behold
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Reader,
Let me simplify what it means to become a Christian.
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Let me simplify what it means to become a Christian.
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Born again or Not? What is the end result?
Reader, Let me simplify what it means to become a Christian. Its simple reader... it means that you have changed Spiritual Fathers... before you DIE. See, before Adam fell, His spiritual Father, was GOD... and once Adam obeyed the DEVIL.... then the Devil became Adam's spiritual Father...
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I dont care what it is, if you make it a condition to get saved, something you must do, its works
Hey You!
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How do you deal with the fact we're Children of God according to Adoption? Isn't Adoption a Condition which needs to be met, to be Saved?
Adoption is a complex subject, and yet I dont get into it with people who dont understand that Gods people are children before they believe. I have given scripture already and its been ignored.
Behold
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Everyone is an unbeliever, until they believe.
1+1= 2.
You have to Think, Mr Tulip. @brightfame52
Try it.
The children of God are unbelievers until they regenerated and believe.
They were redeemed and God sent the Spirit into their hearts to regenerate them because they are sons Gal 4:5-6
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
You have to be already children to qualify for redemption.
Behold
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No one is a literal "child of God" until you become one by being born again.
Hell is filled with unbelievers, who are not the children of God, as if they were, they would not be waiting to go into the Lake of Fire.
See, until you are born again, you are "under God's Wrath"... John 3:36, and are a spiritual child of the Devil.
Thats not a "child of God"....
So, to teach that an unbeliever, who is a spiritual child of Satan... who is not yet forgiven their sin, and is not born again..... is already a child of God... = is just one more false theology (Lie) that you are teaching. @brightfame52
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False, a denial of scripture. Thats why God redeems them, because they were His fallen children.
Was the Prodigal son a Son before he was found and while lost ? Lk 15:24
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Was he a Son while lost ?
False, a denial of scripture. Thats why God redeems them, because they were His fallen children.
Was the Prodigal son a Son before he was found and while lost ? Lk 15:24
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Was he a Son while lost ?
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Please, give me the best Verse. I like Calvinism; I won't dismiss a good Verse...
Until then, do Unique Sons need to be Adopted?
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Not at all "making it a condition to be saved". But Jesus did tell all people to repent and be baptized...not to do so would be disobedience.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
That is not how Gods word say that that we are Born Of The Spirit......God leads us to repentance..how can the unregenerate repent?....
God is the one who births...you can’t speak or do anything to become Born Of The Spirit....becoming Born Again is an act of God, ..how can you birth your spirit into the Living Spirit Of God?
Do you actually understand that to be Born Again is a Living Spirit birth?
Or do you think that you can post scripture, then bingo, you are Born Again...I don’t think so.....
Bible knowledge with out being Alive in spirit..is no knowledge at all...it’s human understanding..as the word says..the natural man has no understanding of spiritual matters, it’s foolishness to them.
How would you know that you are being disobedient?
We can disobey Gods Living Spirit....the Bible is Gods confirmation....the Bible is not the Living Spirit Of God, how do we know that Gods Spirit is Alive and Active?
To be saved, you must be Born Of The Spirit?
What are you saved from, once your spirit is Born Again?
We are not saved not until our spirit has been regenerated?
Spirit gives birth to spirit?..which means what, easy question to answer?..do you understand what the Living spiritual birth is?....apparently according to you, Brightfame and I are Calvinists...I saw your agreement with Godsgrace calling me a Calvinist....
I post Gods word..not Calvinist words...only it seems that the word of God that I post ,you don’t seem to understand...you just make accusations instead...yet can’t use scripture that we post to prove that we are Calvinists?
Why is your belief the only right belief ..and why don’t you like some posting what they believe?
Like what Brightfame and I post.....because it doesn’t agree with your doctrine? and what you believe .
I’ve been watching you for quite some time now, agreeing with some of the accusations that some members make against me..by giving them a thumbs up etc.......i am not looking to argue with you..I’m looking to discuss heart matters with you?
What does “ heart” revelation mean to you?
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Adopted by who and how are we adopted?
Why are you accusing him of being a Calvinist, when he posts the word of God?
Is it because you interpret scripture differently to him?
Quite a few on this thread don’t understand what he is posting..so, why does that make him a Calvinist?
Ritajanice
Born-Again
No one is a spiritual child of God not until “ Spirit gives birth to spirit “?
We are Born Of The Spirit...we are not Born Again by reading a Bile, the Bible confirms that Spirit gives birth to spirit?
That is a Living Spirit birth.....the Bible can not bring anyone’s spirit Alive..it confirms how we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
Everyone is an unbeliever until God decides to gift us with supernatural faith and birth our spirit into his..
God brings us to initially believe in Jesus, God brings us to repentance, God forgives our sin before our spirit can be Born Again....God cannot indwell the spirit of a sinner....do you know who Gods Living witness is?
Do you know what the Living seed of God is and where does that seed take up residence in us?
Do you know that Gods seed penetrates the heart/ spirit, takes up permanent residence in Gods Born Again child....how can we grow in faith ..without being Born Of The Spirit....we can’t.
And it’s not the Bible...the Bible is Not Alive and Active....
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Ritajanice
Born-Again
Can you show me in scripture...where God says that we receive his gift , when our spirit becomes Born Again....please don’t post scripture on what you think it means.
We are Born Again by the will of God....not by your will....show me where you would know how to birth yourself in the Spirit?
Personally, I don’t think you understand that.....The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God?
What children are we, when we are Born Of The Spirit?
Can you remember being a worldly child...?
How would we know that our spirit is Born Again?
Do you know who Gods Living witness is?
Do you know that the Spirit has taken up permanent residence in your spirit?
How would I know such a heart matter?
spiritual maturity.
A mature person is positive under pressure. ...
A mature person is sensitive to people. ...
A mature person has mastered his mouth. ...
A mature person is a peacemaker, not a troublemaker. ...
A mature person is patient and prayerful.
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Behold
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You are a child of your parents because they Birthed you.... @brightfame52 ..
A person becomes a Child of God, also by birth, and if they are not born again (Spiritual Birth) then then are not a child of God.
Let me show you a demonic aspect of Calvinism, of TULIP Theology, and there are many.
1.) You are here trying to lead people to Calvinism.. whereas a real Christian tries to lead people to Christ.
God hates Calvinism, because it leads people to Calvinism.
God is not a Calvinist.
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