The Great Second Exodus

[Keraz]

And if you like, I can quote the enormous amount of verses where God promised teh descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (ethnic saved Israel) that the land is their eternal possession.

I just need one to blow your beliefs apart. Galatians 3:26-29, ....If you belong to Christ, you are the issue of Abraham and heirs according to the Promise.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Replacement biology has sent countless thousands to hell by assuring them that their Jewish DNA is their salvation.

You will be called to account at the Judgment.

Well as I don't even know what you are talking about in "replacement biology", your issue is moot.

I don't know of anyone who preaches just because someone is Jewish, they are saved. And if you think I do, you do not read my posts well at all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I just need one to blow your beliefs apart. Galatians 3:26-29, ....If you belong to Christ, you are the issue of Abraham and heirs according to the Promise.

That does not make one Jewish at all biblically.

God promised that many nations (peoples) would be blessed by Abrahams righteousness. But if you read the bible as God presented it you would know that.

God made specific promises to the faithful descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and those promises belong to them. They have not magically been transferred to the church

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it is biblical and I can prove it. Yours is the one that is not biblical and goes against the bible:

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1Co_12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

Eph_4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;

Yup and that has been since Pentecost.

but I will prove that the church did not exist before Pentecost by the very words of Jesus.

Matthew 16:18
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

See, I figure Jesus is kind of smarter than us and as the creator of language and grammar, He would use it better than us and does not need our help in reinterpreting His Words.

If Jesus said, "I have been building" or "Will continue to build", or "Will keep on building" or any thing similar, I would agree with you and say that since Adam there is only one body.

But He didn't say any of those, He said: " I will build my church" and that is the future active indicative. Not the present or perfect or past but future.

And as teh Holy spirit did not indwell believers until the church was born at Pentecost and the indwelling is the key requirement to be part of the body of Christ (the church) , it dwasn't born until Pnetecost.

 

[ewq1938]

Yup and that has been since Pentecost.

And it proves you are wrong when you don't include Christians in the ONE BODY of Christ.

 

[covenantee]

I don't know of anyone who preaches just because someone is Jewish, they are saved. And if you think I do, you do not read my posts well at all.

You don't know your own preaching.

Isn't Israel Jewish?

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

 

[Keraz]

That does not make one Jewish at all biblically.

But Galatians 3:29 clearly states that Christians are the Spiritual descendants of Abraham. By faith not genetically.
Your wrong belief, is in complete opposition to what Paul taught in Ephesians 2:11-18.

But what you really fail to see, is how the Lord intends to do away with all the ungodly and Jesus hating peoples, in the entre Midde East region. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Including the apostate Jews. Ezekiel 21:1-7
THEN; the faithful, righteous Christian peoples will migrate there and establish the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 35, Isaiah 62:1-5

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And it proves you are wrong when you don't include Christians in the ONE BODY of Christ.

Of course Christians are the only one body. since Pentecost believers are only real Christians regardless of ethnicity. that is what this dispensation is all about.

How you came up wioth that phony accusation is beyond me.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You don't know your own preaching.

Isn't Israel Jewish?

Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Go back and read my posts before you start making foolish accusations.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But Galatians 3:29 clearly states that Christians are the Spiritual descendants of Abraham. By faith not genetically.
Your wrong belief, is in complete opposition to what Paul taught in Ephesians 2:11-18.

Ishmael is a descendant of Abraham and He is not Jewish genetically either. You rpoint?

well I cannot help if you do not read my posts so you can write something that is in left field!

I have repeatedly said if you bothered to read, that in this dispensation all who believe become one in Jesus. but OT Jews are not christians. They are of a different dispensation. same with tribulation saints are not Christians. They also are of a different dispensation.

They are saved, just nor part of the body of Christ which began at Pentecost and ends at the rapture which you refuse to accept.

 

[Keraz]

God made specific promises to the faithful descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and those promises belong to them. They have not magically been transferred to the church

But we are told the Promises of God belong to His faithful peoples. Now; every true Christian person.

Ezekiel 28:24-26 The Lord God says: When I gather the House of Israel from the nations among whom they are now scattered and I have been reverenced by them, as the nations will see, then they will live in their heritage, all of the Holy Land that I promised to My servant Jacob.
They will have security there, building houses and planting vineyards, yes, they will dwell in confidence and safety, when I have executed My judgements upon all their contemptuous neighbours. They will no longer have to fear any threats from ungodly peoples around them and they will know that I am the Lord their God. KJV, CJB, REB.

This short prophecy encapsulates the truth of what every righteous Christian can expect for their future. Sadly, not many can see this future, because of beliefs in false teachings and inability to discern the prophesies correctly.

We know from New Testament teaching that Christian peoples now belong to the House of Israel, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or not. But in order for God’s promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled, the majority, now ‘scattered among the nations’, WILL, in fact, be their descendants. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9

All of the Lord’s righteous Christian peoples, will be gathered soon after ‘a Day of cloud and darkness’, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Ezekiel 20:34-38. That will be the many prophesied and well described - ‘Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster of fire from the sun, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, that will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-16 and enable God’s plan for His people to ‘display His glory for all the nations to see’, Ezekiel 39:27, to be fulfilled. Proving that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

The people of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, having passed through the ‘great ordeal’ of the Day of wrath, Luke 21:35, Revelation 7:1-17, will select their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, they will build a new Temple, Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, they will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus, and after all that is prophesied before the Return takes place, it is them who say: ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’!

 

[quietthinker]

But we are told the Promises of God belong to His faithful peoples. Now; every true Christian person.

What do you think 'the promises of God' might mean?

 

[covenantee]

Go back and read my posts before you start making foolish accusations.

You can't remember your own posts, so I'm not about to waste my time remembering them for you.

 

[ewq1938]

Of course Christians are the only one body. since Pentecost believers are only real Christians regardless of ethnicity. that is what this dispensation is all about.

How you came up wioth that phony accusation is beyond me.

You aren't telling the truth:

Yes. Those are OT believers and trib believers who are saved but not part of the body of christ that began at Pentecost and ends at the rapture.

You do teach that some Christians re not part of the body of Christ after your rapture. You say it's a phony accusation but you do not speak the truth, I do.

ALL Christians are part of the body of Christ, period!

 

[Keraz]

What do you think 'the promises of God' might mean?

Peace and security for His faithful peoples, as they live a prosperous and worthwhile life in all of the Holy Land. Isaiah 62:1-5
Before the glorious Return, Rev 7:9, and after; in the Millennium. After that, the GWT Judgment and Eternity

The Bible Prophets give us all the details of this, Gods amazing Plan; of logical progression, ending with people who have proved to be worthy of inhabiting the New Jerusalem. Rev 21 - 22

 

[Ronald Nolette]

But we are told the Promises of God belong to His faithful peoples. Now; every true Christian person.

Ezekiel 28:24-26 The Lord God says: When I gather the House of Israel from the nations among whom they are now scattered and I have been reverenced by them, as the nations will see, then they will live in their heritage, all of the Holy Land that I promised to My servant Jacob.
They will have security there, building houses and planting vineyards, yes, they will dwell in confidence and safety, when I have executed My judgements upon all their contemptuous neighbours. They will no longer have to fear any threats from ungodly peoples around them and they will know that I am the Lord their God. KJV, CJB, REB.

This short prophecy encapsulates the truth of what every righteous Christian can expect for their future. Sadly, not many can see this future, because of beliefs in false teachings and inability to discern the prophesies correctly.

We know from New Testament teaching that Christian peoples now belong to the House of Israel, whether they are true descendants of Jacob or not. But in order for God’s promises to the Patriarchs to be fulfilled, the majority, now ‘scattered among the nations’, WILL, in fact, be their descendants. Only God knows who they all are. Amos 9:9

All of the Lord’s righteous Christian peoples, will be gathered soon after ‘a Day of cloud and darkness’, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Ezekiel 20:34-38. That will be the many prophesied and well described - ‘Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath’, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster of fire from the sun, Malachi 4:1, 2 Peter 3:7, that will destroy His enemies, Isaiah 66:15-16 and enable God’s plan for His people to ‘display His glory for all the nations to see’, Ezekiel 39:27, to be fulfilled. Proving that all this will happen before the Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

The people of the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, having passed through the ‘great ordeal’ of the Day of wrath, Luke 21:35, Revelation 7:1-17, will select their own leaders, Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11, they will build a new Temple, Zechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:6-9, they will send out 144,000 missionaries to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus, and after all that is prophesied before the Return takes place, it is them who say: ‘Blessed is He who comes in the Name of the Lord’!

You change teh word of God to justify your replacement theology.

It is not "faithful people" but the House of Israel! Ethnic Jews Gentiles or the church are not promised the Land of Israel, but savced ehtnic Jews are.

Stop rewriting the Word of God!!!

No Christians have not will not ever belong to the house of Israel unless they are Jews! NOthing in the New Testament says what you are forcing it to say.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You aren't telling the truth:




You do teach that some Christians re not part of the body of Christ after your rapture. You say it's a phony accusation but you do not speak the truth, I do.

ALL Christians are part of the body of Christ, period!

Yes all christians are part of the body of Christ! !00% true! but not all saved are christians. OT saints are not christians and post rapture saints are not christians but saved nonetheless. This distinction is for the millennial kingdom here on earth.

and just because you say I lie- that means nothing!

And the bible clearly and unambiguously says you do not speak the trutrh.

 

[Keraz]

Christians have not will not ever belong to the house of Israel unless they are Jews!

This demonstrates your ignorance of Bible facts.
The House of Israel consists of the ten Northern tribes. The House of Judah [and Benjamin], are the Jews.

We Christians are the true Israelites of God, the Overcomers for Him.
I have been to Israel, its citizens are from every race and nation, a mixed ethnicity population. None of them can claim pure descent from Jacob.

It is the theory of a rapture to heaven and a general Jewish redemption, that rewrites the Bible. Those false ideas are never said to happen in the Bible and anyone who believes them, is deceived and deluded.

 

[Davidpt]

In over forty Bible passages, it is prophesied that the Lord will gather His people: all righteous believers, and settle them into the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10, Psalms 107:1-43
In this second exodus, the descendants of Jacob, plus all those people grafted in and deemed to be the Lord’s people by their Christian faith, will come from all parts of the earth and assemble in a place called “the wilderness of the people”. Ezekiel 20:34-38 describes this event very well. Those judged unrighteous will not enter the Land.

The gathering of the Lord’s people into the Promised Land, must happen before Ezekiel 38:8 & 12– because the Northern army of Gog comes to invade “a land recently recovered from war, whose people are gathered from many nations, now living in peace and prosperity”. This attack by Gog, happens a few years after all the Lord’s true believers have settled into the Land – “in the very centre of the world – the towns restored from ruin”. And will be undefended, trusting in the Lord for His protection.
The attackers are annihilated by the Lord. Joel 2:20

This must occur some time before the Return of Jesus, as then He destroys the worldwide army of the Anti-Christ, who will have conquered the holy Land at the mid point of the final 7 years of this age. Daniel 7:25, Zechariah 14:1-2

Although Persia [Iran] is mentioned as a member of Gog’s host, most are from “the far recesses of the North”. The current enemies of the State of Israel, the Arab nations are not included. The reason for this, is that all the nations surrounding Israel, including Israel as well, will be devastated by the next prophesied event: Psalms 83:1-18, which is the Lord’s Day of vengeance and wrath, the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster.

The Lord will act at the moment His enemies make the mistake of attacking Israel with nuke missies. Zechariah 5:1-10, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, Psalms 7:15

This judgement will not be in the form of a nuclear exchange, as that would pollute the Land, but what fits the many prophesied descriptions of this Day, is a huge Coronal Mass Ejection from the sun. Isaiah 30:26 This will affect the entire world, but mostly, the Middle East area. Ezekiel 30:2-5
All of the holy Land will be burnt over and devastated, all the population killed or scattered abroad. Jeremiah 10:18

THEN: Ezekiel 36:8-12 You Land of Israel: put forth your branches and bear fruit, for the homecoming of My people is near. The towns will again be inhabited and the ruined places rebuilt, more prosperous and populous than in ancient times.
This great Second Exodus of the Lord’s people will then take place. There are many prophecies about it: Ezekiel 34:11-31…I will search for My sheep and gather them to the Land of Israel, from wherever they were scattered on My Day of wrath…. they will be the flock I feed and I will be their God.

Isaiah 66:18b-19 I am coming to gather peoples of every tongue, they will come to see My glory. I shall put a sign on them and some I will send out to the nations who have never heard of Me. They will proclaim My Gospel to all peoples.
“I shall put a sign on them and will send some out to the nations”, some of them; must be the 144,000, as described in Revelation 7:3-8 & 14:1-7, Isaiah 49:6

Luke 10:1-12 is a precursor of these missionaries, who will “proclaim My Gospel” to ALL the world. This is the Gospel of the coming Kingdom of God – the coming Millennium reign of Jesus. This makes these verses irrefutable proof that the second Exodus of all the Lord’s holy people, must happen some years before the Return of Jesus.

It's bad enough that we have many already making nonsense of Ezekiel 38-39 to begin with, but why do you feel you need to join them? Can you not see in the texts themselves that the ones being attacked are those that God is hiding His face from until He executes His judgment on Gog and his multitude? Do you think all of the following, you as a Christian, is applicable to you somehow?

A) So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more(Ezekiel 39:7)

B) and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them. So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward . And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword
According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them(Ezekiel 39:21-24)


C) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen : but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there(Ezekiel 39:28)

Talk about replacement theology. You take it to the extreme in this case.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes all christians are part of the body of Christ! !00% true! but not all saved are christians. OT saints are not christians and post rapture saints are not christians but saved nonetheless. This distinction is for the millennial kingdom here on earth.

No, they are all Christians. The righteous dead of the OT would naturally meet Christ and they would of course accept the Messiah the OT spoke about.