Believing on Christ is a evidence of being born again !

[IronMaiden]

Be back this afternoon, Lord willing. The sun’s shining outside!

 

[Ritajanice]

…but the Bible is God-breathed; it is the Word of God Himself.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV) 16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

The Bible was inspired...the Bible is not God....the Bible confirms that God is a Living Spirit...by whose testimony?

You also need to seek God out with all of your heart,mind and soul...the Bible confirms you won’t find the Living Spirit Of God in any bible...please don’t insult the Living Spirit Of God...by containing him to the Bible....are you a new babe?

 

[Ritajanice]

Jesus IS The Holy Spirit.

How do you know that?

You keep posting what apparently you think you know, then when challenged with questions, you can’t answer them?


From another thread on the forum...

A Born Again is already in the Kingdom Of God.....which is not of the world.....the Kingdom of God is spiritual , plus it can’t be seen on the earth today, but I can assure you that it’s there.....God is a Living Spirit.we are his spirit children.

The Kingdom Of God has always been here, only I wasn’t a part of it, not until the chosen timing of God...that is when I woke up or came Alive in Gods truth.= Spirit gives birth to spirit...that is when I could see his Kingdom...not with human eyes or ears that I see.....with spiritual eyes and ears that I received, when my spirit became “ Born Again “.

You must be “ Born Again “ to see the Kingdom Of God.....

 

[Lizbeth]

I don’t need to read the whole of what Jesus told Nicodemus how we are Born Of The Spirit.

The rest is not needed...that is what you believe it means, I disagree with you 100%....as Jesus told Nicodemus the Spirit is like the wind , you can’t see the Spirit and you never know when he will birth his child.

You have twisted that scripture to say exactly what you want it to say...I will stick with Jesus words, as that is exactly how I was Born Of The Spirit...

It came completely out of the blue and was like a bolt of lightning.....as in....The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are the children of God...this all happened as he was coming through my body and taking up residence in my spirt.

This is exactly how I became Born Of The Spirit just as Gods word says.

John 3:1-21​

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New International Version​

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Jesus Teaches Nicodemus​

3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.[a]”
4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”[d]


Now @amigo de christo you now tell me what it means to be Born Of The Spirit?

WHOSE Spirit are we born of sister? It is the Spirit of CHRIST, which is God's Spirit. Do you think Jesus was just a teacher and prophet telling us how to behave ourselves? No He is the Lord God Almighty, the Last Adam who is a quickening spirit......that means life-giving. And the Spirit is life, the bible says. So again, WHOSE Spirit? WHOSE quickening spirit? The Spirit of Christ Jesus.. And that is why Christ is the imperishable seed we are born of .....and why His wordseed is imperishable....it will never pass away, as Jesus said. It is HIM, Christ Jesus, imperishable seed, HIS Spirit that quickened us when we were born again.

Dont' make the mistake thinking that just because you don't understand something it cannot be the truth. We need more humility than that if we are to grow beyond where we currently are. We are not to lean on our own understanding. We don't have to be smart and wise according to this world, not many of were when we were called.......His strength is made perfect in our WEAKNESS.....as long as we are depending on HIM and not on ourselves or other people. When we are WEAK, then we are strong....in HIM.

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

1Pe 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are the same thing.

 

[Ritajanice]

WHOSE Spirit are we born of sister? It is the Spirit of CHRIST, which is God's Spirit. Do you think Jesus was just a teacher and prophet telling us how to behave ourselves? No He is the Lord God Almighty, the Last Adam who is a quickening spirit......that means life-giving. And the Spirit is life, the bible says. So again, WHOSE Spirit? WHOSE quickening spirit? The Spirit of Christ Jesus.. And that is why Christ is the imperishable seed we are born of .....and why His wordseed is imperishable....it will never pass away, as Jesus said. It is HIM, Christ Jesus, imperishable seed, HIS Spirit that quickened us when we were born again.

So you keep saying....yet you aren’t saying what in you has been Born Again...

The Spirit is Life once our spirit is Born Again...the Bible can’t tell you that your spirit is Born Again...it confirms how we are Born Of the Spirit = Spirit gives birth to spirit?

Dont' make the mistake thinking that just because you don't understand something it cannot be the truth. We need more humility than that if we are to grow beyond where we currently are.

You need to learn a bit of humility yourself, instead of keep telling me what I need to learn.

We are not to lean on our own understanding. We don't have to be smart and wise according to this world, not many of were when we were called...

I wasn’t called, I’m Born Again....my calling after becoming Born Again is to preach that the Spirit Of God is Alive and Active in our heart/ spirit.we have supernatural faith in God...we know him in our spirit.not from reading a Bible...the Bible confirms all that the Spirit testifies to my spirit.

....His strength is made perfect in our WEAKNESS.....as long as we are depending on HIM and not on ourselves or other people. When we are WEAK, then we are strong....in HIM.

When we submit our will over to the Spirit only then can we walk in the Spirit....you don’t always submit your will over to the Spirit...because you are darn rude at times , same as me...you are far from being perfected in Christ...same as me.

Rom 8:9
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The Spirit Of God indwells my spirit, my body is a temple ...my body can’t be indwelled by the Spirit....my spirit is indwelled....my body is now dead....it is a shell of what it used to represent..

Romans 8:10​

“And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.”

1Pe 1:11
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Was in who?.....we are Born Again now?

The Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of God are the same thing.

The Spirit of Christ is not fully God...so please don’t start that regurgitated nonsense again.

You should know that we are partakers Of the divine nature....you are not God....and the fullness of God does not fully indwell my spirit...

God is in heaven and he sees everything from his throne, Jesus also sees everything as he’s right there with his Father...my belief.

 

[ProDeo]

You keep regurgitating the same old same old...when are you going to answer my questions.?

As of yet, I’m still waiting...

You believe in Jesus....how do you know Jesus...that’s all I’m asking?

If I may.

I was an unbeliever, but thanks to God's love and grace became born again, suddenly everything was different, but did not know what to believe, so many so called truths out there. I hardly knew the Bible, knew some of the stories from school, had no idea who Jesus really was, Moses, David, Jesus, just 3 important people. But the Lord in His Love and grace put me on the right track in His own special way, I joined a Bible club and my eyes were opened.

I believe in Jesus because it is a convincing story.

I became convinced by studying the Bible.

There is no other way to grow.

 

[Ritajanice]

If I may.

I was an unbeliever, but thanks to God's love and grace became born again, suddenly everything was different, but did not know what to believe, so many so called truths out there. I hardly knew the Bible, knew some of the stories from school, had no idea who Jesus really was, Moses, David, Jesus, just 3 important people. But the Lord in His Love and grace put me on the right track in His own special way, I joined a Bible club and my eyes were opened.

I believe in Jesus because it is a convincing story.

I became convinced by studying the Bible.

There is no other way to grow.

We grow in spiritual maturity..the Bible can’t grow our spirit, we are being conformed into Jesus image...our heart is being changed...the Spirit works in our hearts...the Bible can’t work in our hearts, in fact the Bible confirms what I’ve just said....the Bible also can’t renew our minds.
that’s a very interesting testimony, thank you for sharing.

Romans 8:29-30 New International Version (NIV) For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.


My testimony is different.......I became Born Again having never read a Bible, I have shared my testimony many times...I could never believe in God, not until he chose to birth me in the Spirit...then I was gifted the supernatural faith to know him in my spirit....when I became Born Of The Spirit...there is no way that I could never believe in Jesus, as His Living testimony indwells my spirit....my spirit is Alive in Christ and I am Gods child.

There is no way that I can ever be separated from the Spirit of God...His Spirit is love ,when I became Born Again I fell instantly in Love with the Spirit Of God.....I have never been in love before ...even with my 2 ex husbands....I sure now know what it is to be in love with God.....my hearts desire is to fall in love with a strong man of God...who has the same level of faith that I have..I believe that is in the pipeline, I can’t say anymore than that.

As the Spirit came through my body he testified with my spirit that I am Gods child...my spirit recognised the Spirit straight away, he took up permanent residence in my spirit...= Spirit gives birth to spirit....

I have a different belief/ faith...to most people on here...I’m not saying I’m better...I just believe very differently...the Bible had no part of my spirit becoming Born Again...I will never deny my Living testimony...my Living testimony won’t allow me to and my will is most definitely in line with his on that subject...I’m 100% secure in my faith as the Spirit continues to witness to my spirit all day every day...he is always speaking to my heart....for I seek his heart out . I crave to know more and more of him....I represent the Living Spirit.....the Bible confirms all that the Spirit witnesses to my heart/ spirit.....

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

Romans 8

King James Version

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Hey You!]

If I may.

I was an unbeliever, but thanks to God's love and grace became born again, suddenly everything was different, but did not know what to believe, so many so called truths out there. I hardly knew the Bible, knew some of the stories from school, had no idea who Jesus really was, Moses, David, Jesus, just 3 important people. But the Lord in His Love and grace put me on the right track in His own special way, I joined a Bible club and my eyes were opened.

I believe in Jesus because it is a convincing story.

I became convinced by studying the Bible.

There is no other way to grow.

We are either Born Again pre Faith because of the Sharp two edged Sword in the Holy Spirit's hand, which is the Law of God the Bible; or because we have Believed upon the LORD Jesus Christ unto Salvation post Faith...

Either way; we are only Born Again for, or into Christianity. We aren't Born Again, then spend time shopping for deities. Either way, we're Born Again due to the Bible; not due the Koran, etc...


Fundamentals...

 

[Lizbeth]

I’m Born Again, I am led through scripture by the Spirit?

Do you lead yourself through scripture?

Those who are being led through scripture by the Holy Spirit don't display the staggering degree of ignorance and denial of them that we so often see these days.

 

[Ritajanice]

Those who are being led through scripture by the Holy Spirit

We are also led throughout our lives, by submitting our will over to the Spirit Of God....I have a Living relationship with the Spirit....I don’t have a Living relationship with the Bible.

don't display the staggering degree of ignorance and denial of them that we so often see these days.

Really?

I don’t have any knowledge of that, plus it doesn’t interest me, what ignorance some may be in...for all you know, you could be one of them...

You wouldn’t know though would you?..because you’d be in “ ignorance “.

 

[IronMaiden]

How do you know that?

… because the Bible tells me so.

 

[Ritajanice]

… because the Bible tells me so.

The Bible May tell you so, but, to be Born Of The Spirit....comes from Gods Living testimony, His Living Spirit..

The Bible confirms that..

Spirit gives birth to spirit?...= supernatural Living spiritual birth.

Your belief is very different to my belief....I couldn’t believe in God, not until my spirit became Born Again..then I had supernatural faith to believe in my spirit, as it had been birthed into the Spirit of Christ.

Born again of imperishable seed...that seed ,which is a Living seed, the Spirit of God....penetrates the heart/ spirit of Gods child , the Spirit births our spirit into His....that is when we know that we have been reconciled back to our Spirit Father God....pretty mind blowing stuff.

The Bible can’t reconcile our spirit back to God...only Gods Living witness/ testimony can do that..

That’s why we must be Born Again to see the Kingdom Of God.

Flesh gives birth to flesh.

Spirit gives birth to spirit.

 

[Hey You!]

Born again of imperishable seed...that seed ,which is a Living seed, the Spirit of God....penetrates the heart/ spirit of Gods child , the Spirit births our spirit into His....that is when we know that we have been reconciled back to our Spirit Father God....pretty mind blowing stuff.

The Logical Order and the Temporal Order of Soteriology CAN match up. Since they can match up, the Imperishable Seed is the Gospel Seed. The New Birth, and the presentation of the Law of God and the Gospel, occur at the same instance; so much so, that we cannot know which came first...

The Holy Spirit Births us Again by using the Sword of the Spirit in his hand; the Two are One...

 

[ProDeo]

We grow in spiritual maturity..the Bible can’t grow our spirit, we are being conformed into Jesus image...our heart is being changed...the Spirit works in our hearts...the Bible can’t work in our hearts, in fact the Bible confirms what I’ve just said....the Bible also can’t renew our minds.

Romans 8:29-30 New International Version (NIV) For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.

Philippians 4:13 - I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ

And yet the the green passages you quoted has renewed your mind.

 

[Ritajanice]

And yet the the green passages you quoted has renewed your mind.

No...you have misunderstood my post...the Spirit is renewing my mind.not the Bible, how can the bible renew my mind @ProDeo ?..my thoughts should be in line with Christ’s thoughts, that takes time to renew our minds....the verses confirms what the Spirit testifies to my heart...are you understanding now?

The Spirit witnesses to my spirit Gods truth...then I look up what he speaks to my heart in scripture.

I am a spirit child of God...how else can I communicate with him?

 

[ProDeo]

I couldn’t believe in God, not until my spirit became Born Again..then I had supernatural faith to believe in my spirit, as it had been birthed into the Spirit of Christ.

That's great and wonderful, but who told you about into the Spirit of Christ?

 

[ProDeo]

No...you have misunderstood my post...the Spirit is renewing my mind.not the Bible, how can the bible renew my mind @ProDeo ?..my thoughts should be in line with Christ’s thoughts, that takes time to renew our minds....the verses confirms what the Spirit testifies to my heart...are you understanding now?

The Spirit witnesses to my spirit Gods truth...then I look up what he speaks to my heart in scripture.

I am a spirit child of God...how else can I communicate with him?

Then why read the Bible at all?

Serious question.

 

[Ritajanice]

Then why read the Bible at all?

Serious question.

What do you mean ,why read the Bible.

How can I check out what I hear from God ..if I don’t refer to his word...serious question?

Your belief and my belief are not the same....I don’t understand your belief and you certainly do not understand mine...I can tell that..by the questions you ask me.

 

[Ritajanice]

That's great and wonderful, but who told you about into the Spirit of Christ?

What?

Weren’t you taught religious education at school...?

I was taught all about Jesus in secondary school..you should know that no one can come to the Father except through the Son.

Again your belief in God...is not the same as mine..without the name of Jesus..one cannot be birthed by the Spirit Of God...plus God brought me to repentance...I never chose to become Born Again...God chose me , all according to his purpose and plan....

@ProDeo what does into the Spirit Of Christ mean?

 

[Hey You!]

What do you mean ,why read the Bible.

How can I check out what I hear from God ..if I don’t refer to his word...serious question?

Your belief and my belief are not the same....I don’t understand your belief and you certainly do not understand mine...I can tell that..by the questions you ask me.

I think he means why read the Bible in relation to the Gospel promise, if you are Born Again already?