Hal Lindsay And Time LaHaye Were Deceived

[The Light]

I don't have the wrong guy.

You will continue to live in disbelief even after the third and last devastating invasion of the middle east .Trump has already been talking about obliterating Iran.He will have no problem obliterating the middle east.

Oh. I'm not saying that he's not going to bring troops and lots of trouble. I'm saying He is not the AC. The AC will be in control of the world government. That is not Trump.

Trump is not the prince that shall come, but he is a king of the North. You need to look at the rest of your list.

 

[The Light]

According to Trump.
He is without sin.


"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."

So it appears you do not know the name of the god that you say is not desired by women.

 

[pepper]

According to Trump.
He is without sin.

You should study our faith before joining and proving you know nothing of it.

"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."

Here's the thing.

Protestants don't have to ask forgiveness from God for every mistake we make.

We aren't Catholics. They do ask to be forgiven for their sins and by priests they think are afforded the power to forgive them.

The Trump haters here don't apologize for their flagrant sin of hate for a self professed Christian and brother,Donald Trump.

They Sin unrepentantly every time they imply Donald is not a Christian. Therefore,their judgement is yet another of their pride filled egocentric Sins.

They judge Donald in evil ways and therein Sin some more.

The others who go further blaspheme the Holy Spirit when they label Christian Republicans as worshipping Trump. Which is their way of saying Trump supplants the Holy Spirit when a Christian is a Republican and supports Trump.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgivable Sin.

Neither Brother Donald nor any Christian has to beg God's forgiveness for every mistake. And we know why. It's in God's own word.


So,those who think Brother Donald has to meet their criteria for to be judged by them a "real" Christian are deeply mistaken.

And in fact show why they in their behavior need not judged Donald when in going so their tactics make them able to be judged.

As long as God knows Donald,Trump's haters can continue to fester in their own hate.

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 11
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Nor the desire of women. This guy is obviously gay. If you don't want to see that, it is one of many reasons that you have the wrong guy.

I can understand the rationale of your thinking. Instead, it might mean that he will not care about what women think or want.

 

[tailgator]

Oh. I'm not saying that he's not going to bring troops and lots of trouble. I'm saying He is not the AC. The AC will be in control of the world government. That is not Trump.

Trump is not the prince that shall come, but he is a king of the North. You need to look at the rest of your list.

The king of the north is not king of the world.
Read Daniel 11 in its entirety and you will find there are three wars between the king of the north and the king of the south

The king of the north does not rule the south anywhere In Daniel 11.The king of the south does.
In the end,the king of the south attacks the king of the north and the king of the north innihilate many.
That is the end of the chapter

If the king of the north ruled the world,there would not be a king of the south to attack him .



Same with the Olivet discourse.There is no one world government at the time of the dnd just as there is none now.Kingdom.rises against kingdom and there are wars between different nations just as it is today.


Mathew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.



There is no one government.If there was,then there would only be one worldwide kingdom and no war.

 

[tailgator]

So it appears you do not know the name of the god that you say is not desired by women.

You claim he is gay.
By the translation you are using ,he does not regard the desire of women which is love.

Women don't desire gays .They desire love.

King James Bible
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.


Like I said.Trump does not regard the desire of women.If he had he would not cheat on his wife so much.But as Trump has said,he can sexually assault women and they let him do it.He also said he would have sex with married women.He obviously does not regard the desire of his wife unless she wants him to cheat which I highly doubt.

 

[tailgator]

Protestants don't have to ask forgiveness from God for every mistake we make.

Perhaps you should learn the gospel .

Luke 18

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[tailgator]

"Why do I have to repent or ask for forgiveness, if I am not making mistakes?" asked Trump. "I work hard, I'm an honorable person."




Luke 18

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.







14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[Hobie]

If you've read popular books written by the Pre-trib Rapture theory authors like Hal Lindsay and Tim LaHaye, then you're probably familiar with all the chaos and war and famine, and destruction, etc., that they teach the coming "great tribulation" is going to be like.

But did you not know that God's Word instead reveals the future time of "great tribulation" is going to be a time of WORLD PEACE? (that is, for the deceived it will be).

Tim LaHaye wrote a Left-Behind books series, something like 13 books, which were used to make movies with also. And it's all about the sudden disappearance of the Church, while everyone else is left behind, and wondering what happened to those raptured folks!

Did you even know that some airline companies have a policy for their pilots, that if one pilot is a Christian, then the other pilot must not be? That's in case of the rapture while in flight, there will still be someone left-behind to fly the airplane, they think! Crazy! Oh but I'm sure Lindsay and LaHaye loved that idea.

Those of us in Christ Jesus who actually do... listen to Him in HIS Word, don't have to worry about any of those 'scare' tactics pushed by those on man's false pre-trib rapture theory. That because there are no such rapture ideas written of PRIOR to the "great tribulation". Instead Lord Jesus revealed His coming to gather His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation", not before it (Matthew 24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27). Apostle Paul taught the same timing of Christ's future coming and His gathering His Church, to be after that "man of sin" of 2 Thessalonians 2 is revealed, with Jesus destroying him with the brightness of His coming.

In our Lord Jesus' Olivet discourse, while He was upon the Mount of Olives with His disciples, He revealed events like nation against nation, war, famines, pestilences, earthquakes, etc., and then He said those things were "the beginning of sorrows" (Matthew 24:6-8). But He did not say those things will be for the time of "great tribulation".

I know, I know, just the phrase "great tribulation" sounds like that time of "the beginning of sorrows" ought to be the "great tribulation", but it is not what defines what the coming "great tribulation" will be like. It will be a time of great tests upon the Church, I'm not denying that.

But Lord Jesus gave us a clue in the following, revealing a tidbit of what 'kind'... of time the "great tribulation" will actually be...

Matt 24:6
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
KJV

How many times have you heard pre-trib rapture preaches quote the above verse in blue, but leave out that last phrase in red? What's that phrase in red about?

I can't remember in English grammar what it's called, but that last phrase in red above is the OPPOSITE IDEA of that "wars and rumors of wars". That means ALL... wars will have stopped, and instead it means a time of WORLD PEACE.

They are the signs, but we are getting to the Seven Last Plagues and the close if probation where the just shall be sealed just, and the unjust shall remain unjust. Everyone has to choose while there is still time..

 

[The Light]

The king of the north is not king of the world.
Read Daniel 11 in its entirety and you will find there are three wars between the king of the north and the king of the south

Exactly. So how can Trump be the AC?

The king of the north does not rule the south anywhere In Daniel 11.The king of the south does.
In the end,the king of the south attacks the king of the north and the king of the north innihilate many.
That is the end of the chapter

Or maybe both the king of the south and the king of the north attack the AC.

Daniel 11
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Note the AC comes to his end before the great tribulation,

Daniel 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

If the king of the north ruled the world,there would not be a king of the south to attack him .

And if a former king of the north ruled the world as AC...........?????????

Same with the Olivet discourse.There is no one world government at the time of the dnd just as there is none now.Kingdom.rises against kingdom and there are wars between different nations just as it is today.

As soon as the Church is raptured there will be a world government set up as all nations would come together and believe the lie that the aliens have come. Everyone will need to take the mark so there is proof that they are not aliens, and you cannot buy and sell without it.

Mathew 24
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.



There is no one government.If there was,then there would only be one worldwide kingdom and no war.

That's fine. But there will be a one world government according to the Word of God.

 

[tailgator]

Exactly. So how can Trump be the AC?


Or maybe both the king of the south and the king of the north attack the AC.

Daniel 11
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

Note the AC comes to his end before the great tribulation,

Daniel 11
45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12
12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.


And if a former king of the north ruled the world as AC...........?????????



As soon as the Church is raptured there will be a world government set up as all nations would come together and believe the lie that the aliens have come. Everyone will need to take the mark so there is proof that they are not aliens, and you cannot buy and sell without it.

That's fine. But there will be a one world government according to the Word of God.

Yes there will be a one world government.

Christ.

 

[pepper]

Perhaps you should learn the gospel .

Luke 18

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Perhaps you should learn the Gospel.

1 John 3:9. ESV No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God 's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. NIV No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[tailgator]

Perhaps you should learn the Gospel.

1 John 3:9. ESV No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God 's seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. NIV No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

I would say that is proof Trump is not born of God.

Trump having admitted to sexual assaulting women and admitting to trying have sex with a married woman is proof enough for me to know the man is not born of God.And according to you,he doesn't even need to ask for forgiveness for doing such things.

Do you even believe Trump needs to repent of his sins or do you believe he can continue commiting such things while believing he is an honorable man?

 

[pepper]

I would say that is proof Trump is not born of God.

Trump having admitted to sexual assaulting women and admitting to trying have sex with a married woman is proof enough for me to know the man is not born of God.And according to you,he doesn't even need to ask for forgiveness for doing such things.

Do you even believe Trump needs to repent of his sins or do you believe he can continue commiting such things while believing he is an honorable man?

You are all that you were now before you were saved.

See how that works when you think you know if God called Donald?

 

[tailgator]

You are all that you were now before you were saved.

See how that works when you think you know if God called Donald

Trump is the man of sin.
A great deceiver.


He convinced you he is an angel of light.See how that worked?

 

[pepper]

Trump is the man of sin.
A great deceiver.


He convinced you he is an angel of light.See how that worked?

Yes, I do.

Oh look,here's a forum full of gullible people who believe in iron age myths and a sky daddy to save them from himself.
I think I'll join!

And there you are.

Just like the others who post threads and insist on their circular illogic way the Bible particulars aren't real.

 

[tailgator]

Yes, I do.

Oh look,here's a forum full of gullible people who believe in iron age myths and a sky daddy to save them from himself.
I think I'll join!

And there you are.

Just like the others who post threads and insist on their circular illogic way the Bible particulars aren't real.

The bible is very real .And all those events that were fulfilled before Trump's arrival.

 

[Davy]

They are the signs, but we are getting to the Seven Last Plagues and the close if probation where the just shall be sealed just, and the unjust shall remain unjust. Everyone has to choose while there is still time..

The wars, and rumors of war, earthquakes, famine, pestilences, nation against nation, are NOT signs of the "great tribulation" time. They are signs of "the beginning of sorrows" that Lord Jesus mentioned. Jesus showed that the actual time of "great tribulation" will not... be a time of war, that is, military war. That is what He meant in Matthew 24:6 when He said, "... but the end is not yet."

And because we were shown first back in Daniel 8 about the coming "king of fierce countenance", and how he will destroy many using peace, with craft prospering in his hand; and then with Apostle Paul showing the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" at the very end just prior to the coming of "sudden destruction" upon them, all... of those are 'signs' given to the Church about what kind of time the "great tribulation" is going to be like.

For those who have studied all their Bible, especially the Old Testament prophets like the Book of Isaiah, it is easy to know that Apostle Paul was pulling from the Book of Isaiah when he gave those signs of the end in 1 Thessalonians 5 about the "Peace and safety" and "sudden destruction" he mentioned about the very end of this world. Even that idea of their travailing with child is a metaphor first given by God through His Old Testament prophets about the end. Lord Jesus even repeated it in His Olivet discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 also.

 

[tailgator]

The wars, and rumors of war, earthquakes, famine, pestilences, nation against nation, are NOT signs of the "great tribulation" time. They are signs of "the beginning of sorrows" that Lord Jesus mentioned. Jesus showed that the actual time of "great tribulation" will not... be a time of war, that is, military war. That is what He meant in Matthew 24:6 when He said, "... but the end is not yet."

And because we were shown first back in Daniel 8 about the coming "king of fierce countenance", and how he will destroy many using peace, with craft prospering in his hand; and then with Apostle Paul showing the deceived will be saying, "Peace and safety" at the very end just prior to the coming of "sudden destruction" upon them, all... of those are 'signs' given to the Church about what kind of time the "great tribulation" is going to be like.

For those who have studied all their Bible, especially the Old Testament prophets like the Book of Isaiah, it is easy to know that Apostle Paul was pulling from the Book of Isaiah when he gave those signs of the end in 1 Thessalonians 5 about the "Peace and safety" and "sudden destruction" he mentioned about the very end of this world. Even that idea of their travailing with child is a metaphor first given by God through His Old Testament prophets about the end. Lord Jesus even repeated it in His Olivet discourse of Matt.24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 also.

You believe and teach that this is not a military war.

Daniel 11:40-44
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.



Since you insist ,this time of great tribulation is not military war,what do you call military war?

 

[Davy]

You believe and teach that this is not a military war.

Daniel 11:40-44
40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. 41 He will also invade the Beautiful Land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. 42 He will extend his power over many countries; Egypt will not escape. 43 He will gain control of the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and Cushites[e] in submission. 44 But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. 45 He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at[f] the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.



Since you insist ,this time of great tribulation is not military war,what do you call military war?

How do you reconcile that with the following of how the "vile person" comes to power in Jerusalem?...

While all believe that the millennium is spiritual and thus not earthly, some believe that the spiritual kingdom is present during the current era of the church.

Dan 11:21
21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
KJV

We know in FINAL... the final Antichrist will bring a great army upon Jerusalem on the LAST DAY of this world, and that is when Lord Jesus will step in, on the 7th Vial poured out upon them, hailstones weighing a talent.

But you know, or maybe you don't, that LAST DAY is AFTER the time of "great tribulation". It will actually end... the time of "great tribulation".

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Zeph 3:8-9
8 Therefore wait ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for My determination is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them Mine indignation, even all My fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of My jealousy.
9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve Him with one consent.
KJV