Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming
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Much of this is also off as the result of the foretold lie, which has caused many passages to be misinterpreted.
The mystery of God that I was referring to was the final mystery to be revealed according to Revelation 10:7; and that which was given to Daniel, but sealed until the time of the end (Daniel 12:9); and "He who restrains" according to 2 Thessalonian 2:7.
The timing of the events you mentioned, are again, askew because of the "lie" taught early in the church by false teachers, who then developed many false and destructive doctrines still most commonly believed and taught unto this day. As for the actual timing, have I not already stated it as beginning during the times of the apostles of Christ and continuing unto the end? I have.
amigo de christo
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Well yes of course . But you do realize many say THUS SAYETH , THUS PROCLAIMETH ,
and yet THE LORD NEVER SENT THEM or gave them WORDS to PROCLIAM .
you see many prophesy of their own hearts desire . And many there be
who have become so enamoured with they own self
as they drink from they own wisdom
and are so full of self they can taste even they own feet .
BELIEVE YOU ME , when i say and say aloud , THEMS WONT BE HEEDED BY THIS LAMB . not a word one outta they lips .
So the question is How does one know when one is speaking by THE SPIRIT ,
a HINT , IT WONT CONTRADICT SCRIPTURE . SO again i ask us all
WHO KNOWS THE DAY AND HOUR OF THE LORDS COMING . THE ANSWER IS , NO MAN scotty . NO MAN .
none but the FATHER KNOWS that hour . to say otherwise , well IT WONT BE HEEDED BY THIS LAMB . that is a fact too .
Even so, many counterfeits do not make void the proclamations made by those truly sent by God.
As for knowing the day and the hour of the Lord's coming, perhaps you have misunderstood what I said. If this is rephrase, then rephrase, if repeat, then repeat: My point was that no one knows--until He comes to them--then they know because He has come. Which is in accord with the passage--which also answers your question of how we know when one is speaking by the Spirit, "By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God" (1 John 4:2). Which, yes, is an interpretation you have not likely ever heard. Meaning, those whom Christ has come into--do confess it as His coming (again). For He first went to the Father, and having come into those of the remaining flesh of His body--how could they not confess it if He truly has come (again) in their flesh?
The problem, however, is that many have preferred and do believe the "lie", and thus "even deny the Lord who bought them." And for this, He added, "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
The scriptures were given "here a little there a little"--have I not pulled them together again as One word?
amigo de christo
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scott you teach this in total error . This was about HIS COMING again
not his coming to indwell us
Marvelloustime
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As I have already said--even you now believe the "lie" (not willing to confess that He first went to the Father and then returned a second time into your own flesh).
The two passages are One word.
amigo de christo
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Well you claim this is the lie , aka the strong delusion . You do realize that all who believe that are damned scott .
NO sir . Interfaith which is of anti christ that denies the NEED to BELEIVE JESUS is CHRIST or follows
this other rainbow money loving verison of him , THAT be THE LIE scott .
in fact you are beleiving a lie . NOT THE LIE . but a lie .
I did not say that the return of Jesus into the flesh/body of Christ being the same as His second return, was the "lie."
What I maintain is the foretold "lie" causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy beginning with the early church until the end: Is not believing that all Jesus said "must shortly take place", was not "shortly" but in the distant future, as most now still believe. That was and is specifically the foretold "lie." Which I am happy to discuss--but it is not debatable, as it is not from me, but from God.
As for the interfaith movement, it is indeed a grievous lie and a sin against God.
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The god you're referring to the proclamation is coming from is, 'the father of all lies'.
Sorry to say, you who represent him are a 'false prophet'.
Even the religious Jews who confronted Jesus were deceived themselves, thinking all along that the GOD of Abraham is their FATHER.
But Jesus had to 'rebuke' them from their 'dilemma' saying otherwise, "You are of your father the devil, and his will thou shall do. ..................................."
ScottA, come out from that 'dilemma' too, for the devil have no truth in him according to Jesus.
For he even uses GOD's word and 'twist' like he did from the beginning with Adam and Eve and Jesus in the desert.
Repent, come back to the New Testament and remain in faith, for your proclamation is 'apostacy', and comes with it the 'falling away'.
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ.
It's no a 'lie' Paul foretold and we're not 'strongly deluded', and our 'timing' is 'not off', but rather you're 'backslidden'.
It is 'coming soon', meantime we're to make disciple of all nation, since the 'famine to GOD's word' will soon follow.
And that's when the 'great apostacy' and the 'falling away' of the churches from their faith takes place 'first'.
Next, the 'wicked one' shall be 'revealed', the church, even the 'very elect', he shall try to 'deceive'.
As he is the 'master' of disguises even as an angel of Light, with all 'power' and 'signs' and 'lying wonders'.
GOD will it, because HE is separating the 'wheat' from the 'weeds', the 'wheat' HE 'stores/Heaven' and the 'weeds' HE 'burns/hell'.
Remember as Paul said, "Every foundation will be tested with fire.' Therefore the 'quality' and 'material' used for the 'foundation' shall be 'revealed' for it's 'genuinity'.
In other words, GOD 'separates', the 'true saints' from the 'fake ones', even the unrepented people of the world who are apparently 'dead'.
During the reign of 'anti-Christ', where all 'saints/church' will undergo the 'test/tribulation' under him for 'three and a half years'.
Soon after that, the saints/church who are 'persecuted' and ones living 'remained faithful', will be 'raptured' and will 'meet the Lord in the cloud'.
Remember, at the sound of the trumpet, the dead shall rise and the living, and in a twinkling of an eye they shall all be changed??
ScottA, these are not 'lies', but future events, whether during our time or after our time.
But from the Apostles' time, every church spiritual younger generation have been disciple.
And, ones after them, and till this very day, and on, since, 'without knowledge HIS people perish'.
Even, He is 'coming soon', so that when the time comes to which ever generation of true saint/church already 'founded'.
They are 'alert' and 'awake', according to 'each' Biblical 'prophesied', 'signs' and 'times' taking place, or 'coming to pass'.
ScottA and ones alike, don't be 'left behind', repent!
Jesus' active and alive words, "Repent, or you will die with your sins unforgiven."
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
ScottA, during Daniel's time indeed is 'sealed', but eventually until the time of the Apostles, is 'revealed'.
'Seals' have been 'broken' and final mysteries 'revealed' in Heaven, and John brought it back.
At Patmos island a prisoner, John wrote it down as a book, 'Revelation according to John'.
Since it have been circulated within the churches during the Apostles' time itself.
No, no, no, you have the 'spirit of anti-Christ', therefore you 'knew not what you do', hence only 'fallacy' flow as a result.
Repent!
You wouldn't know, and yet you accuse me. And as an accuser, you place yourself on the wrong side.
Now, taking your side, you become the very thing you have made accusation of--"by the same measure"...like those religious Jews you mentioned.
True--but because "the words are spirit" just as Christ said, the full and complete revelation of God--as it is written is not fully revealed until the seventh angel is about to sound (Revelation 10:7). This is that time.
'GOD is not an author of confusion but of peace.'
'Without knowledge My people perish.'
It's like the 'fallacy' of islam likewise proclaim, GOD gave the genuine Gospel during the Apostles' and to earlier church??
But after that GOD gave the 'corrupted gospel' to the later day churches, and quran became HIS final true revelation??
Apparently, islam's false prophet muhammed himself 'prophesied', that if he's a false prophet he shall die accordingly, and it happened!
According to the parable of Jesus in the Gospel, in this world(field) GOD sows HIS seeds of 'wheat' during the day(Light).
Evening then night He and HIS servants(angels) rested(in Heaven), hence during the night(dark ages) HIS enemy(devil), sows in the same world(field) his seeds of 'weed'.
This have been taking place since the beginning until the 'famine of GOD's word' in this world(field) in the coming future.
GOD have woken up in the beginning itself, and HIS angels were restless and ready then on itself, to 'uproot' these grown up 'weeds'.
But GOD stopped them, concerned the 'wheat(children of Light)' will be uprooted as well when uprooting the 'weeds(children of darkness).
For the benefit of the doubt, will GOD ever say, "Oops, sorry church, I've slumbered and allowed man to corrupt my Holy Bible."
"Fooled ya, April fool!!"
HE will get an 'Oscar' for the best 'action' and 'comedy' movie.
Just sharing with ya Jack, since no one to talk to, thanks man of GOD, i guess?
Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ
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