Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[Wrangler]

His Spirit connects us all?

We were not conceived like Jesus was?

We don't have to be conceived like Jesus was for his Spirit to connect us all.
1 Corinthians 2:12
What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God

 

[Ritajanice]

We don't have to be conceived like Jesus was for his Spirit to connect us all.
1 Corinthians 2:12
What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God

Can you answer my questions please?

How could I possibly know that I am Gods Spirit child?

Jesus was God’s Spirit Son, the first begotten Son @Wrangler ?

We become spirit children after the death and resurrection of Jesus , Gods Spirit Son.

Jesus was the first Born to be resurrected?

Then comes the spirit children, where our spirit too is resurrected, brought from death to life..by the Spirit Of Jesus...would you agree @Wrangler ?

 

[Wrangler]

Can you answer my questions please?

I did. You want to segue into your born again theme. I'm stopping on the point of our Spirit is God's spirit.

Feel free to start a thread on the importance of being born again. You go to that idea often.

 

[Ritajanice]

I did. You want to segue into your born again theme. I'm stopping on the point of our Spirit is God's spirit.

Being Born Again is not a theme..it’s a spiritual rebirth..a Living spiritual rebirth?

Feel free to start a thread on the importance of being born again. You go to that idea often.

If one wants to try and understand the trinity, then one imo needs to understand the Living spiritual rebirth..I will leave it there.as you aren’t understanding my questions.

What about the other questions I asked you about Jesus...did you not say that he was a fully human being?

 

[Ritajanice]

I did. You want to segue into your born again theme. I'm stopping on the point of our Spirit is God's spirit.

Feel free to start a thread on the importance of being born again. You go to that idea often.

Why was Jesus the first Born to be resurrected?..in your opinion.

How could he have been the first Born to be resurrected @Wrangler ?

Lots of thoughts going through my mind at the moment, so I thought I’d explore them with you.

We are to seek God with our heart...my friend...for there is where we will find him...

 

[Ritajanice]

the point of our Spirit is God's spirit.

Our spirit is Born Again..

Our spirit is therefore under the authority and direction of the Holy Spirit, as we are spirit children...not worldly children any longer....a whole different turn around.in the world, not of the world..we were bought for a price...Jesus was his name....a divine , Pure / Holy man....who was just as God is...only he was made flesh in Mary’s womb...yet still very much divine..

That’s what I’ve come to understand so far..not saying it’s right, it’s just as valid as anyone else’s opinion, understanding of the word..

The word was made flesh...there is something else to deeply think on.

 

[Wrangler]

What about the other questions I asked you about Jesus...did you not say that he was a fully human being?

Yes. I’m content to rest on what the Bible teaches that he is a man. I feel no need to speculate beyond that.

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes. I’m content to rest on what the Bible teaches that he is a man. I feel no need to speculate beyond that.

Then that is your opinion...

Jesus was the Son Of Almighty God?

He was no ordinary human being, which scripture also states...he was the one and only begotten Son Of God..who is Spirit.....

He was without sin the moment he entered the womb of Mary..why, because God would never have sent him otherwise... as Jesus was sent in the likeness of His Father...God knew his Son before time began, as Jesus was always in the Father...
Jesus imo was Pure/ Holy and without blemish from before the foundation of the world....he 100% represented the Father in Spirit and truth...there is none like him and there will never be another like him.
Just my thoughts.i would never say I am right about anything..still searching God out with all my heart....I just like exploring questions with other’s...I believe God knows if we are genuine when it’s him we want to seek out.....and not ourselves..lol.

 

[Wrangler]

Then that is your opinion...

That I’m content? Yes. That the Bible teaches Jesus is a man? No.

He was no ordinary human being

Yet, still a human being was he. This is how adjectives work.

“This is no ordinary apple (but the one that landed on Newton’s head)” still refers to an apple.

 

[Ritajanice]

That I’m content? Yes. That the Bible teaches Jesus is a man? No.


Yet, still a human being was he. This is how adjectives work.

We’re not talking about adjectives....we’re talking “ Spiritual “....we are spirit children..not worldly children at school in a classroom.

“This is no ordinary apple (but the one that landed on Newton’s head)” still refers to an apple.

I don’t think there is anywhere in scripture that says, Jesus was fully human?

If there is, then please present it..thanks.

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t think there is anywhere in scripture that says, Jesus was fully human?

It doesn’t have to. A is A. It means the same as A is fully A.

 

[Ritajanice]

It doesn’t have to. A is A. It means the same as A is fully A.

Nope, sorry...Jesus was God’s Son, that doesn’t make him fully human....that’s why non trinitarians cannot prove that he wasn’t divine....it’s all over scripture that Jesus was God’s Son....plus imo he had to be divine to be the one who took the sins of the world onto or into himself....no human being can do what he did.

Why, because he had to be divine....which he was from the beginning ....the divine Son Of God....my understanding so far,lol.

All opinions voiced.....nothing in concrete that I can see..

 

[Wrangler]

Nope, sorry...Jesus was God’s Son, that doesn’t make him fully human

We are God’s sons and daughters and are fully human. Guess what? ‘Son of God’ is a title just as ‘Son of Man’ is a title.

Like us, Scripture says Jesus was chosen by God, just like he chose us. Acts 17:31. Colossians 3:12.

 

[Ritajanice]

We are God’s sons and daughters

How do we know that we are Sons and Daughters Of God?

and are fully human.

We are partakers Of the divine nature, we have a new heart and spirit within, how else would we know we’re Born Again, I must explain it as I know who I am in Christ...I know you won’t engage, but, I explain exactly how I’ve been brought to understand in my spirit....we must be partakers Of the divine nature as our spirit is Born Again/ regenerated/ brought Alive by the Holy Spirit @Wrangler ?

2 Peter 1:4King James Version (KJV) whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

.Guess what? ‘Son of God’ is a title just as ‘Son of Man’ is a title.

Disagree..Jesus was a Spirit Son Of God.

Like us, Scripture says Jesus was chosen by God, just like he chose us. Acts 17:31. Colossians 3:12.

Jesus was already chosen and was with God before the foundation of the world.....There wasn’t anything that God didn’t know about Jesus.

God knows the beginning to the end....

Edit to add..if we aren’t partakers Of the divine Nature where our spirit is Born Again our spirit brought Alive in Christ ..then there is no way that we can be conformed into Jesus image, nor bear the fruit of the Spirit...are we becoming more and more like Jesus? my testimony , belief ...

Romans 8​

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King James Version​

@ProDeo ..look where I underlined in bold...God sent his Son in the Likeness Of sinful flesh..?....there was no sin or ever would be in Jesus flesh, his flesh was not the same as our flesh...thoughts please?​

Just exploring my thoughts on the subject matter...

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8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans 7&version=KJV

 

[GodsGrace]

GG: I think the Book of Acts is sufficient to know how they were immersed completely underwater. Do you know of another ledger or account of what words were used for the immersion of people with water. And they surely did not do any sprinkling on the head back then and made a frontal knife's edge with a hand and projected it out: in a north, south west and east motion. That occurred many centuries later when the forgery text of three names was inserted into Matthew.

Don't know about any knife.
Here's what I know:
JESUS said to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Matthew 28:19...
Where does it state differently?
Immersion...good.

 

[GodsGrace]

We are God’s sons and daughters and are fully human. Guess what? ‘Son of God’ is a title just as ‘Son of Man’ is a title.

Like us, Scripture says Jesus was chosen by God, just like he chose us. Acts 17:31. Colossians 3:12.

Just a quick word Wrangler....
Notice the conversation you're having with another member right now.
She has her very own ideas and so do you.
Who are we to trust?
YOU
HER
Some other member out there that believes THEY have it right?

IF we all start having our own belief system...WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CHRISTIANITY?
It's under enough attack.

The Apostles believed Jesus is God.
Jesus admitted He was God to the Sanhedrin.
The Sanhedrin understood the comments of Jesus,,,
apparently many today do not.

Mark14:60-64
60The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?”
61But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”
63Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
64“You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.


Jesus is asked if He's the Son of God - the Blessed One.
He replies YES, AND YOU SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT H AND OF GOD.
The High Priest stated that Jesus had committed BLASPHEMY.

WHY did the High Priest believe Jesus had committed blasphemy?
1. First Jesus answered, Yes, I Am. (but even if He hadn't.....)
2. The High Priest, being Jewish and well-versed in the Tanak, knew who was defined as the Son of Man - which is how Jesus referred to Himself.
3. The HP also knew what it meant that Jesus would be sitting at the right hand of God. It was a staement of power...sitting at the right hand of God meant having equal authority.
4. The HP believed Jesus had committed blasphemy, due to the above 3 reasons.

 

[Ritajanice]

She has her very own ideas and so do you

She, goes by the word of God...please address my posts instead of doing what you have picked me up on many times...” she has a name”?

Address the poster..remember?..not to slyly go behind their backs.please practice what you have preached many times to me and other members on this forum.

 

[David in NJ]

Just a quick word Wrangler....
Notice the conversation you're having with another member right now.
She has her very own ideas and so do you.
Who are we to trust?
YOU
HER
Some other member out there that believes THEY have it right?

IF we all start having our own belief system...WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CHRISTIANITY?
It's under enough attack.

The Apostles believed Jesus is God.
Jesus admitted He was God to the Sanhedrin.
The Sanhedrin understood the comments of Jesus,,,
apparently many today do not.

Mark14:60-64
60The high priest stood up and came forward and questioned Jesus, saying, “Do You not answer? What is it that these men are testifying against You?”
61But He kept silent and did not answer. Again the high priest was questioning Him, and saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62And Jesus said, “I am; and you shall see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING WITH THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN.”
63Tearing his clothes, the high priest said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
64“You have heard the blasphemy; how does it seem to you?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.


Jesus is asked if He's the Son of God - the Blessed One.
He replies YES, AND YOU SHALL SEE THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT H AND OF GOD.
The High Priest stated that Jesus had committed BLASPHEMY.

WHY did the High Priest believe Jesus had committed blasphemy?
1. First Jesus answered, Yes, I Am. (but even if He hadn't.....)
2. The High Priest, being Jewish and well-versed in the Tanak, knew who was defined as the Son of Man - which is how Jesus referred to Himself.
3. The HP also knew what it meant that Jesus would be sitting at the right hand of God. It was a staement of power...sitting at the right hand of God meant having equal authority.
4. The HP believed Jesus had committed blasphemy, due to the above 3 reasons.

So easy a child can understand........

 

[David in NJ]

She, goes by the word of God...please address my posts instead of doing what you have picked me up on many times...” she has a name”?

Address the poster..remember?..not to slyly go behind their backs.please practice what you have preached many times to me and other members on this forum.

"She, goes by the word of God..." .....when she wants to........same as wrangler, aunty jane and the rest

 

[Ritajanice]

"She, goes by the word of God..." .....when she wants to.....

Again please pick me up on my errors....?

Instead of trying to provoke a reaction @David in NJ .

I am exploring the trinity...you have not proven imo that Jesus is fully God..



No more than the non trinitarian has proven that Jesus was fully human.

Thankfully salvation has got nothing to do with , wether we believe in the trinity or not..my spirit is Born Again, that’s all I need to know..

My heart/ spirit knows God, by His Living testimony the Living Holy Spirit...who testifies that truth to my spirit all day every day..Praise God for supernatural divine heart revelation!..in Jesus Name...Amen!