When the Son of Man Comes:

[ewq1938]

When Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9, he will have but a short time left, the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14.

Having great wrath, it says in the text of Revelation 12:12, woe to the inhabiters of the earth - the third woe.

The 7th trump/3rd woe is not found in Rev 12. Rev 12 ends at the timeframe of just before the start of the 6th trump war/trib against Christians. The 3rd woe does not happen until that 42 months is over. You are placing the 7th trump BEFORE the 6th trump starts which is obviously wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

You have never read Mark 15:31-32 ?

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

You didn't read verse 31 very well: "the chief priests mocking said"

They MOCKED Jesus as a false King of Israel not the real King. He was Kind of a far away kingdom (heaven) NOT King of Israel during his first coming.

 

[Douggg]

The 7th trump/3rd woe is not found in Rev 12

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

I don't know how much clearer it can be.

You are placing the 7th trump BEFORE the 6th trump starts which is obviously wrong.

The 5th trumpet signifies the first woe. The 6th trumpet signifies the second woe.

The third woe, that of the 7th trumpet - begins and ends, before and after the first and second woes.

The first and second woes take place within that time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

 

[Douggg]

You didn't read verse 31 very well: "the chief priests mocking said"

They MOCKED Jesus as a false King of Israel not the real King. He was Kind of a far away kingdom (heaven) NOT King of Israel during his first coming.

Yes, they were mocking Jesus. But it reveals that the Jews believe that the messiah will be the King of Israel.

If you go to any Jewish website, like Judaism 101, you will find that's what the Jews believe.

Mashiach: The Messiah - Judaism 101 (JewFAQ)

Traditional Jewish concept of the messiah (mashiach): what he will be like, what he will do, what the messianic age will be like, and why Jews do not believe Jesus was the messiah.

www.jewfaq.org

From that site....

"The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days."

Go to that site and educate yourself as to what the Jews believe. (I am not being condescending, just suggesting to help your understanding of what is going to happen.)

For example....

"Before the time of the mashiach, there shall be war and suffering (Ezekiel 38:16)"

So, they are thinking that right after Gog/Magog event, their messiah will arrive. Isn't that what I have been telling you, that the Antichrist begins his 7 years time, during the 7 years that follow Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 39:9 ?

"The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5)."

The messiah will be a Jew. A great political leader. Who is like that on the world scene, today ? I am keeping an eye on Zelensky. The little horn person will wax strong from north and west of Israel, Daniel 8:9. i.e he comes into the middle east with a strong army.

 

[ewq1938]

I don't know how much clearer it can be.

Identical language does not automatically mean the same thing is addressed. I have already proven the events of Rev 12 precede the 6th trump trib so it is literally impossible for the 7th trump/3rd woe to happen in any part of Rev 12.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, they were mocking Jesus. But it reveals that the Jews believe that the messiah will be the King of Israel.

But you cite it as evidence that Jesus was the King of Israel but their mockery is not proof of that.

If you go to any Jewish website, like Judaism 101, you will find that's what the Jews believe.

I don't care what they believe. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

 

[Verily]

Nathanael called him the King of Israel too though, didn't he?

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

 

[Douggg]

Nathanael called him the King of Israel too though, didn't he?

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

Good verse reference. The Antichrist will be anointed the King of Israel, thought to be messiah.

 

[Verily]

I so cant read charts @Douggg, I can barely read posts in this section of things

 

[Douggg]

But you cite it as evidence that Jesus was the King of Israel but their mockery is not proof of that.

You did not read what I wrote. Their mocking of Jesus reveals that the Jews believe that the messiah will be the King of Israel. The Jews believe that the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel. The Antichrist will be the person who the Jews will mistakenly think is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

I don't care what they believe. It is irrelevant to the discussion.

What the Jews (Judaism) believe about the messiah is very relevant to the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the Antichrist.

 

[Douggg]

Identical language does not automatically mean the same thing is addressed. I have already proven the events of Rev 12 precede the 6th trump trib so it is literally impossible for the 7th trump/3rd woe to happen in any part of Rev 12.

What do you mean by "6th trumpet trib" ? You are not making any sense.

Revelation 12 covers....

Revelation 12:1-5, a vision of the historical birth of Jesus to Israel and his being caught up to heaven.
Revelation 12:6, the first half of the 7 years, then...
Revelation 12:7-9, the war in the second heaven, Satan and his angels cast down to earth, then...
Revelation 12:10-17, the second half of the 7 years.

 

[ewq1938]

Nathanael called him the King of Israel too though, didn't he?

John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

But Christ spoke differently:


Joh 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

1. My kingdom is not of this world-- it's of somewhere else. He will say more:
2. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight-- who would they fight?
3. if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews-- his servants would fight against the Jews! Even if his kingdom was Earthly, his servants would fight against the Jews capturing Jesus.
4. but now is my kingdom not from hence-- proving it will be an Earthly kingdom in the future but for then, it was not and he had no servants of a kingdom to fight against the Jews capturing him.

Jews here are those who rejected and opposed Jesus not the smaller amount of Jews that followed him of course.

 

[ewq1938]

You did not read what I wrote. Their mocking of Jesus reveals that the Jews believe that the messiah will be the King of Israel. The Jews believe that the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel.

So? We aren't discussing that. We are discussing whether Christ was the King of Israel at any point during his first coming/Earthly life.

He was not by his own words. See my last post.

 

[ewq1938]

You did not read what I wrote. Their mocking of Jesus reveals that the Jews believe that the messiah will be the King of Israel. The Jews believe that the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel. The Antichrist will be the person who the Jews will mistakenly think is their long awaited King of Israel messiah.


What the Jews (Judaism) believe about the messiah is very relevant to the fulfillment of prophecies regarding the Antichrist.

What do you mean by "6th trumpet trib" ?

The tribulation, it's full length, is 42 months and it happens once the 6th trump sounds, and it ends when the 7th trump sounds.

Revelation 12 covers....

Revelation 12:1-5, a vision of the historical birth of Jesus to Israel and his being caught up to heaven.
Revelation 12:6, the first half of the 7 years, then...

This is unrelated to any part of the trib, the one spoken during the OD.

Revelation 12:7-9, the war in the second heaven, Satan and his angels cast down to earth, then...
Revelation 12:10-17, the second half of the 7 years.

Nope. These are two time periods that both take place before the "tribulation" starts. It is the last verse of Rev 12 that speaks of the trib starting:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Douggg]

So? We aren't discussing that. We are discussing whether Christ was the King of Israel at any point during his first coming/Earthly life.

No, the discussion was that the Antichrist will be mistaken by the Jews to be the King of Israel messiah.

I cited the text that proved the Jews consider the messiah will be anointed the King of Israel.

The Jews, the generation at the time of Jesus's crucifixion, rejected Jesus as their King of Israel messiah.

 

[Douggg]

The tribulation, it's full length, is 42 months and it happens once the 6th trump sounds, and it ends when the 7th trump sounds.

No, the great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation (the AoD) is standing in a holy place. Matthew 24:15-21. The great tribulation will last 1335 days.

The great tribulation ends when Jesus returns.

The 7th trump introduces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth... which will be the time, times, half time of Satan's wrath once he is cast down to earth.

 

[Douggg]

This is unrelated to any part of the trib, the one spoken during the OD.

What do you mean by "OD" ? Spell things out.

Nope. These are two time periods that both take place before the "tribulation" starts. It is the last verse of Rev 12 that speaks of the trib starting:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12:10-17 is the time period of the third woe, Satan's wrath during the time, times, half time Satan will have left once cast down to earth.

In Revelation 12:14, part of Israel (the woman) will flee into the mountains where they will be protected from Satan wrath. In Revelation 12:17, the remainder, the remnant of her seed, will be vulnerable to Satan's wrath.

 

[Douggg]

I so cant read charts @Douggg, I can barely read posts in this section of things

Basically, the chart shows the path that the arch villain of the end times will take on the way to his demise of being cast into the lake of fire.

He first comes on the scene as the little horn person - Stage 1 on the chart.

then, right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 39, the little horn person becomes the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26 - Stage 2 on the chart.

then, the little horn person is thought by the Jews to be their long awaited messiah and he is anointed the King of Israel, as he becomes the Antichrist, and the 7 year 70 week of Daniel 9:27 begins - Stage 3 on the chart.

then, about three years go by and the little horn person commits the transgression of desolation act, revealing himself as being the man of sin, and not the messiah after all. End of his time as the King of Israel, Antichrist. Stage 4 on the chart.

then, the little person is killed and comes back to life as the beast-king. Stage 5 on the chart.

 

[ewq1938]

No, the great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation (the AoD) is standing in a holy place.

Same thing.

Matthew 24:15-21. The great tribulation will last 1335 days.

No, the trib will last 42 months as per Rev 13. You are taking something from Daniel that is no longer valid and forcing it into NT prophecy. This is called Eisegesis.

The great tribulation ends when Jesus returns.

The 7th trump introduces the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth... which will be the time, times, half time of Satan's wrath once he is cast down to earth.

Satan is cast to Earth LONG before the trib. The third woe is when satan will be imprisoned in the pit, not when satan begins his wrath. Your are conflating events of Rev 12 which are BEFORE the 6th trump, and forcing the 6th trump into a timeframe before the 6th has sounded.

Your confusion here lies in the false assumption the "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in Rev 12 has anything to do with the 7th trump/third woe. It doesn't.

 

[ewq1938]

What do you mean by "OD" ? Spell things out.

Abbreviations are important so people DO NOT spell things out because that takes too much time. You need to learn the Abbreviations common in end times discussions. Olivet Discourse.