Eternal Torment Or Annihilation? What Happens To The Wicked

[St. SteVen]

God speaks to man in many ways, so for us to limit Him is a bit, lets say unreasonable to say the least.

I agree.
And I am certainly not proposing that.
But the problem remains. Countless billions never knew.
What will become of them?

--- PARODY ---

God: Welcome to the afterlife.
Person: Who are you?
God: I created you for my own purposes.
Person: Like what.
God: For destruction.
Person: What does that mean?
God: You will be annihilated.
Person: Why?
God: It was my choice for you.
Person: What did I do to deserve this.
God: You were born a sinner.
Person: Not by my choice.
God: Right. By my choice.
Person: Was that fair?
God: It doesn't matter. You can't stop me.
Person: Who did you say you were again?
You sound more like the Devil than God.

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[Behold]

But the problem remains. Countless billions never knew.
What will become of them?

Romans 1

And @St. SteVen ... this is not a parody.


"""For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are....= without excuse."""



"For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are.....= without excuse:"


""""For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are ... = without excuse and without defense.""""

 

[Hobie]

Romans 1

And @St. SteVen ... this is not a parody.


"""For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are....= without excuse."""



"For the invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are.....= without excuse:"


""""For ever since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through His workmanship [all His creation, the wonderful things that He has made], so that they [who fail to believe and trust in Him] are ... = without excuse and without defense.""""

So very true, as they say there are no atheist in a foxhole. When they come to what might be the end of life, suddenly it comes into focus..

 

[The Learner]

this subject is painful lol

 

[Hobie]

We have to understand it and not spread fear and terror instead of the truth of Gods love and justice...

 

[CC7799]

2esdrss chapter 7.

Wicked go into pit of torment with Satan.
Righteous in paradise, side of delight.

Gulf seperates both sides. Luke chapter 16 cross reference.

We're talking about Reprobates and false brethren. They have date pit of torment. It's holding place for the wicked until judgment Day.

The torment is fear, Shame, disgrace.

On judgement Day. The Reprobates go with Satan into lake of fire.

Hating God
Hating the righteous
Despise Gods laws.

The 3 qualifiers for lake of fire.

 

[Beebster]

I actually believe that Christians will have a harder time getting into heaven than unbelievers.

That's true.

The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
And that servant, WHICH KNEW HIS LORD'S WILL, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with MANY STRIPES.
But HE THAT KNEW NOT, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with FEW STRIPES. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. (Luk 12:46-48)

And though I don't believe heaven or the lake of fire are literal physical places, most will find themselves in the lake of fire. But, in the end, all will come out believing in God our Father and Jesus Christ.

With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world WILL learn righteousness. (Isa 26:9)

 

[Hobie]

I agree.
And I am certainly not proposing that.
But the problem remains. Countless billions never knew.
What will become of them?

--- PARODY ---

God: Welcome to the afterlife.
Person: Who are you?
God: I created you for my own purposes.
Person: Like what.
God: For destruction.
Person: What does that mean?
God: You will be annihilated.
Person: Why?
God: It was my choice for you.
Person: What did I do to deserve this.
God: You were born a sinner.
Person: Not by my choice.
God: Right. By my choice.
Person: Was that fair?
God: It doesn't matter. You can't stop me.
Person: Who did you say you were again?
You sound more like the Devil than God.

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Thats why God explained from the start so all mankind would know that the act of sin would lead to death and made it a point with the the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, and we see He also gave man a conscious so they know when they are doing wrong. It wasn’t about food or choice of fruit, but this tree was put as a test where mankind had the choice to obey God or turn from God and walk a different path, in this case to death. You need to understand that the choice in Genesis was real and so were the consequences...

 

[St. SteVen]

You need to understand that the choice in Genesis was real and so were the consequences...

Do you really think that A&E understood fully the consequences of "eating thereof"?

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[Hobie]

My, Oh my, quite the dissertation. You certainly did your homework. Plumbing the depths of the revealed Word, relying on the precise meaning of words in the Scriptures, my, oh, my. Such a rarity at this level.

The battle for minds amongst the saints is waged on many fronts. It is such serious warfare that the observant ones will take up the sword of the word, and sharpen it till it gleams, such as yourself. Keeping the sons away from the Father with claptrap and fables built on sentiment is the Adversary's business, and rightly so-the Almighty needs a foil. With the mind out of gear, and the heart brimming with emotions, the saints of God trudge along in sweet serenity looking for the next blessing, instead of renewing their minds and preparing for the transformation. The dais of God and Christ will be an eye-opener for the multitude when they finally "see" the plan of God for the eons. And the Christ of God will most surely move forward with His Body, reconciling all things to the Glory of God, His Father.
fivesense

We have many false and blind teachers out there and many follow them..

 

[The Learner]

Please pray, upcoming should replacement, overcoming bronchitis again.

 

[St. SteVen]

We have many false and blind teachers out there and many follow them..

That saw cuts both ways.

Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles
a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Galatians 5:4 NIV
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.

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[Simonides]

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[Hobie]

That saw cuts both ways.

Acts 15:10 NIV
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles
a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

Galatians 5:4 NIV
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ;
you have fallen away from grace.

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That's why you put your faith on the One who says, if you love Him "follow the Commansments"..

 

[St. SteVen]

That's why you put your faith on the One who says, if you love Him "follow the Commansments"..

I suppose you are claiming that is a reference to the Ten Commandments?
The Apostle Paul had a few things to say about that. Assuming the TCs were engraved in letters on stone.

The TCs were the transitory ministry of condemnation and death that has no glory now.
The letter kills; the Spirit gives life.

He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—
not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone,
came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses
because of its glory, transitory though it was,
8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?
9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious,
how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness!
10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory.
11 And if what was transitory came with glory,
how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!


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[Hobie]

I agree.
And I am certainly not proposing that.
But the problem remains. Countless billions never knew.
What will become of them?

--- PARODY ---

God: Welcome to the afterlife.
Person: Who are you?
God: I created you for my own purposes.
Person: Like what.
God: For destruction.
Person: What does that mean?
God: You will be annihilated.
Person: Why?
God: It was my choice for you.
Person: What did I do to deserve this.
God: You were born a sinner.
Person: Not by my choice.
God: Right. By my choice.
Person: Was that fair?
God: It doesn't matter. You can't stop me.
Person: Who did you say you were again?
You sound more like the Devil than God.

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God speaks to each and everyone that are on the earth and have been, whether they listen to His voice is the question.

 

[St. SteVen]

God speaks to each and everyone that are on the earth and have been, whether they listen to His voice is the question.

That may be conjecture. Hard to prove, one way or the other.
We all have a God-given human conscience. Which warns us when we are tempted to do wrong.
Beyond that, what is God saying to us?

Imagine a rice farmer in inland China in the 1800s. What was God saying to that person?

Do you imagine your religious experience to be the same as theirs?

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[Simonides]

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[St. SteVen]

Yahweh knows the fate of the wicked.
Yahweh is perfectly merciful.
Yahweh is perfectly just.

That's all I need to know.

The fate of the wicked?
Do you think you will escape?

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[Simonides]

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