Is Ezekiel Chapter 39 In The Gog/Magog Battle Future And Unfulfilled?

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The eternal destiny of persons who will appear before the Great White Throne Judgement is not in question.
Douggg you completely gave disregard to my post and run off to your self made charts that are wrong

"Your chart" teaches the Lord's second coming and then a 1,000 year kingdom on earth, then final judgement "False"

The scripture below shows the second coming and final judgement in the end, no millennial kingdom on earth is seen, the kingdom in verse 34 is the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth

Douggg at every turn you deny the very simple scripture before your eyes, trying desperately to keep a 1,000 year kingdom on earth that's no found in scripture

(The Parable Of The Great White Throne Judgement Below)

1. Vs (31) Jesus Returns
2. Vs (34) The righteous saved sheep enter the eternal kingdom
3. Vs (41) The wicked goats are judged to the eternal lake of fire
4. Vs (46) A recap of the final judgement, the wicked goats go to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire, the righteous sheep go to eternal life in the eternal kingdom

Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand, Jesus Returns In Final Judgement (The End)

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 
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The day of the Lord is not solely one or the other.

A day of the Lord is just a day something noteworthy takes place. There are more than one of these days.
 

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Douggg you completely gave disregard to my post and run off to your self made charts that are wrong

"Your chart" teaches the Lord's second coming and then a millennial kingdom on earth, then final judgement "False"

The scripture below shows the second coming and final judgement in the end, no millennial kingdom on earth is seen

(The Parable Of The Great White Throne Judgement Below)

1. Vs (31) Jesus Returns
2. Vs (34) The righteous saved sheep enter the eternal kingdom
3. Vs (41) The wicked goats are judged to the eternal lake of fire
4. Vs (46) A recap of the final judgement, the wicked goats go to everlasting punishment in the lake of fire, the righteous sheep go to eternal life in the eternal kingdom

Simple, Clear, Easy To Understand, Jesus Returns In Final Judgement (The End)

Matthew 25:31-46KJV
31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.


This is not the "second coming" but a coming or arrival to the GWTJ location also mentioned here:

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

This is not something that happens on Earth or in heaven so everyone there must "come" there which is a coming but not the "second coming".
 

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Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The issue here is at what timeframe does this firery punishment take place? The second coming or another coming?

Many people aren't aware that the GWTJ does not occur on the Earth. Christ must leave the Earth to go to where it happens which results in a "coming" to this new place that is not a reference to his second coming which is to the Earth.

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


Earth and heaven fleeing away means this is a place away from both Heaven and Earth which means Christ would have to leave Earth and "come" to this new place. Not all "comings" refer to the Earthly second coming. A "coming" is simply an arrival somewhere. After completing his second coming which is to the Earth, Christ would have to leave the Earth to be present at the GWTJ and the punishment of the lake of fire.

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

This is a reference to Christ and his angels being present when the unsaved are cast into the LOF. Compare that to this:

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

So, this coming is Christ and his angels coming to the place where the final judgment will take place. It is not the second coming because the GWTJ does not happen immediately when Christ arrives on the Earth plus the GWTJ doesn't take place on the Earth. Even the dead must be taken to this place after they are resurrected as we see them arriving from hell, death and the sea in Revelation 20.
 

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Douggg you completely gave disregard to my post and run off to your self made charts that are wrong

"Your chart" teaches the Lord's second coming and then a 1,000 year kingdom on earth, then final judgement "False"

The scripture below shows the second coming and final judgement in the end, no millennial kingdom on earth is seen, the kingdom in verse 34 is the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth
The beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 before the thousand years begin.

After the thousand years are over, then Satan will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet already are at that time. Revelation 20:10.

Amil cannot explain the difference.
At Jesus's return:
1. the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, Revelation 20:2

After the 1000 years:
3. Satan cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet already are. Revelation 20:10


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Many people aren't aware that the GWTJ does not occur on the Earth. Christ must leave the Earth to go to where it happens which results in a "coming" to this new place that is not a reference to his second coming which is to the Earth.
Real Big Smiles!

Jesus brings the fire judgement with himself in the second coming (The End) in the twinkling of an eye the resurrection takes place as mortal turns to immortal, death is swallowed up in victory (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 

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The beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire in Revelation 19:20 before the thousand years begin.

After the thousand years are over, then Satan will be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet already are at that time. Revelation 20:10.

Amil cannot explain the difference.
At Jesus's return:
1. the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, Revelation 20:2

After the 1000 years:
3. Satan cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet already are. Revelation 20:10


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Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End) as seen in post #146 above

Your problem is you don't want to see the Lord's fire in judgement at his return, because you falsely believe and teach its millennial kingdom time on earth at Jesus return "False"

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

"Destroyed Them All"!

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 
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Real Big Smiles!

Jesus brings the fire judgement with himself in the second coming (The End) in the twinkling of an eye the resurrection takes place as mortal turns to immortal, death is swallowed up in victory (The End)

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
2Peter3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Where in any of the verses you provided, in the text the mention of "with a great noise" ?

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Amil cannot explain the difference.
At Jesus's return:
1. the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, Revelation 20:2

After the 1000 years:
3. Satan cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet already are. Revelation 20:10
 

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Real Big Smiles!

Jesus brings the fire judgement with himself in the second coming


Nope, no fire judgment and no fire used to kill anyone. He uses a symbolic sword to kill, and God's wrath in the vials, and the only throne judgment is for the saved in the resurrection of life. The unsaved have to wait according to Rev 20 until they get a resurrection of damnation, which in the Greek means judgment which is the GWTJ and the LOF punishment which is when fire is used to kill.
 

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2Peter3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Where in any of the verses you provided, in the text the mention of "with a great noise" ?

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Amil cannot explain the difference.
At Jesus's return:
1. the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, Revelation 20:2

After the 1000 years:
3. Satan cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet already are. Revelation 20:10
Direct Question: Does Jesus return in fire as seen below in scripture, don't run off to your charts answer my direct question please?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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Nope, no fire judgment and no fire used to kill anyone.
Just like literal fire and brimstone didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, Smiles!

Pretty hard to continue a conversation with a poster so biased as to deny that Jesus returns in literal fire as seen below "Sad"!

Clear, Simple, And Before Your Eyes, Literal Fire From Heaven, Just Like Sodom And Gomorrah

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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Direct Question: Does Jesus return in fire as seen below in scripture, don't run off to your charts answer my direct question please?

2 Thessalonians 1:7-8KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Regarding 2Thessalonians1:8, Jesus returning in great glory, He will be surrounded by an aura of flaming fire, when He takes His wrath out on the wicked men of the world. The verse does not say that Jesus destroys the earth with fire.

Look up the definition of the word "aura" on the internet. It means...
the distinctive atmosphere or quality that seems to surround and be generated by a person, thing, or place.

Regarding Luke17:29-30 the verses are not emphasizing destruction of the world by fire by Jesus at His return. The verses are making a comparison to judgment on the wicked that will come that day - just as the flood in days of Noah, the wicked were judged, as stated a few verses earlier in Luke 17:26-27.... two verses you ignore because they don't have fire in them.
 
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Just like literal fire and brimstone didn't destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, Smiles!

More like fire and brimstone didn't destroy other cities around the world.



Pretty hard to continue a conversation with a poster so biased as to deny that Jesus returns in literal fire as seen below "Sad"!

JHe returns IN fire, actually lightning which means how fast his arrives, in a flash of lightning. Never does he use fire to kill. You cannot cite that in scripture because it does not exist.



Clear, Simple, And Before Your Eyes, Literal Fire From Heaven, Just Like Sodom And Gomorrah

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


No, you are intentionally ignoring the same wording but with Noah and a flood which contradicts your fire theory and you completely miss the teaching of Christ that he suddenly returns and surprises the world, not that he burns Sodom with fire again.
 

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Regarding 2Thessalonians1:8, Jesus returning in great glory, He will be surrounded by an aura of flaming fire, when He takes His wrath out on the wicked men of the world. The verse does not say that Jesus destroys the earth with fire.

Look up the definition of the word "aura" on the internet. It means...
the distinctive atmosphere or quality that seems to surround and be generated by a person, thing, or place.

Regarding Luke17:29-30 the verses are not emphasizing destruction of the world by fire by Jesus at His return. The verses are making a comparison to judgment on the wicked that will come that day - just as the flood in days of Noah, the wicked were judged, as stated a few verses earlier in Luke 17:26-27.... two verses you ignore because they don't have fire in them.


Right...he is cherry picking something and taking it out of context to force an idea of fire killing people and destroying the world at the second coming. None of that happens that day and NOT ONE SCRIPTURE says that happens.
 
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The verses are making a comparison to judgment on the wicked that will come that day - just as the flood in days of Noah, the wicked were judged, as stated a few verses earlier in Luke 17:26-27.... two verses you ignore because they don't have fire in them.
The emphasis is on the wicked and their judgement, please answer the three questions below directly

1.) How many of the wicked on earth survived through Noah's flood?

2.) How many of the wicked survived in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?

3.) How many of the wicked will survive when the Lord is "revealed" as seen in Luke 17:29-30 below?

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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2.) How many of the wicked survived in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Better question is
How many of the wicked survived on Earth after the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were burned?

Answer: A lot! God only killed a limited amount of people in a small area.

Same thing happens at the second coming at Armageddon where Christ kills only an army, no one else and he doesn't use fire.
 

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1.) How many of the wicked on earth lived through Noah's flood?
All.

2.) How many of the wicked survived in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah?
None

.) How many of the wicked will survive when the Lord is "revealed" as seen in Luke 17:29-30 below
All who will attempt to make war on Jesus and His army, in Revelation 19:19-21.

Revelation 19:
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
 

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Right...he is cherry picking something and taking it out of context to force an idea of fire killing people and destroying the world at the second coming. None of that happens that day and NOT ONE SCRIPTURE says that happens.
Of course the Lord returns in his second coming in fire and final judgement of the wicked, just one verse below show this fact

Jesus Is revealed at his second coming and all the wicked are destroyed just like the historical literal event that took place in Sodom and Gomorrah "Fire"

You can deny the very clear scripture below all you want, Jesus will be revealed in fire destroying the wicked "Literally"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 

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Of course the Lord returns in his second coming in fire and final judgement of the wicked,

He returns in "fire", not with or using fire and it is the first judgment not the final one. That takes place after the thousand years, Rev 20.
 

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Of course the Lord returns in his second coming in fire and final judgement of the wicked, just one verse below show this fact

Jesus Is revealed at his second coming and all the wicked are destroyed just like the historical literal event that took place in Sodom and Gomorrah "Fire"

You can deny the very clear scripture below all you want, Jesus will be revealed in fire destroying the wicked "Literally"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
The coming judgment on the wicked by Jesus at His return is not the issue. Everyone agrees on that point.

The issue is Amil's claim that Jesus returns to destroy this present earth and its heaven that day, with fire and a great noise.

Which will not be true because of the overwhelming number of scriptures that prove the Amil view false.

Amil cannot explain the difference.
At Jesus's return:
1. the beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire, Revelation 19:20
2. Satan cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years, Revelation 20:2

After the 1000 years:
3. Satan cast into the lake of fire, where the beast and false prophet already are. Revelation 20:10


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