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amigo de christo

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God will reveal Jesus to hearts if they are truly seeking Him and seeking the truth and if they open to Him when He comes knocking. And the human race is without excuse not to seek Him....since what may be known of God can be seen in creation.

I don't think you understand what restoration looks like........it is the removal and destruction of all that is temporal....every thing and every one that is not of God. "Everything that can be shaken will be shaken until only what can't be shaken remains."

Mat 13:41-43
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

That is the restoration, that I see in scripture. Not an earthly utopia. But the removal of what is temporal and locked into death/corruption. And a new creation of what is incorruptible (ie, heavenly) heavens/earth wherein dwelleth only righteousness. The Spirit is LIFE (eternal). See why one must have the Spirit of Christ to inherit eternal life/incorruption? Christ IN us, the hope of glory. We must have incorruption in us.

And Jesus bookends the time, not we. No man knows the day or the hour. This world as well as this life for everyone is coming to an end sometime.
Forget the past , GOD will deal with them all .
THE KEY is , ASK this man what gospel they were COMISSIONED to preach to all , AFTER JESUS rose from the dead .
Ask him what they went about preaching and what they did to those who rejected failed to believe JESUS is the CHRIST .
what i say next might even startle you , but sister that man is in grave deadly danger
and does the work of anti christs interfaith that is all about TRYING to convince the church
its gonna be okay for even those who refused to beleive JESUS is the CHRIST .
NOW JOHN wrote truth . these men today , GET TESTED AGAINST TRUTH IN That there bible .
JOHN never told or wrote the church and said
OH NO WORRIES , if one believes not and follows another religoin and just did good they are okay
they know GOD too .
JOHN Said if a man BELIEVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON . THEY CALL GOD A LIAR .
THAT DONT SOUND like they somehow follow GOD to me . INTERFAITH IS OF ANTI CHRIST
and steven is a solider of it . That is a fact sister .
 

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Yeah... that was "chocolate" from the north end of a south bound donkee View attachment 56876
at least what drops out of the north end of a south bound donkey can do some good as it can fertilize
But the dung of interfaith will kill even the soul of man in the end . ALL who loved that LIE
will suffer immensly in the REAL live LAKE of fire . OH i know most try and say it dont exist .
BUT IT DO .
and it has been prepared for the devil and his angels , unto all who loved a lie and rejected the truth .
 
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JESUS is the LIVING Word of God

Ponder this - "HE gives light to every man who comes into the world"

It is the Word of God that saves us!!!

The Word was God in the Beginning.
Yet most reject HIS sayings . Me thinks people forgot something .
EVEN JESUS said , MY WORDS ARE SPIRIT and they are LIFE .
MY WORDS WILL BE YOUR JUDGE .
people treat the truth like its a lie . many call GOD a liar and yet think they serve GOD and his Love .
On this path the great persecution of all times will hit a peak and they will unify
and be as onemind under one love they believe is of GOD but is of satan and of the world .
AND on that path they will heed the solution . TO RID THE EARTH OF ALL who conformed not .
 

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inclusivity has become their doctrine , its love their meat and doctrine .
THEY can only see the scrips THROUGH its light and woe unto the many who heed that light
for it be darkness that has come to DENY GOD , CHRIST , the TRUE GOSPEL
and to rather merge the lost as one under what they all believe to be GOD , LOVE and loving . THIS delusion
is a monster sister because they who have brought it in have done so under the guise
IT is OF GOD , OF CHRIST and they will CLAIM a solid truth that JESUS IS THE SAVOIR of the world
BUT THEN the LIE that because HE is even unbelievers are okay . satan is a real sneak sister .
HE can use the very name of JESUS and even quoate a scrip , but then TWISTS it to mean and imply A FAT LIE .
HE has done so since the beginning .
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HalleluYAH

The Angels in HEAVEN know who to worship

Then I looked, and I heard the voices of many angels encircling the throne, and the living creatures and the elders.
And their number was myriads of myriads and thousands of thousands.
In a loud voice they were saying:

“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain,

to receive power and riches

and wisdom and strength

and honor and glory and blessing!”

And I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying:

“To Him who sits on the throne

and to the Lamb

be praise and honor and glory and power


forever and ever!”

And the four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped
 
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The Destroyer, he is the one to fear because he has the power to cast into hell.

These words are spoken because Jesus was accused of working in cahoots with Beelzebub (Satan) ie, the religious folk were attributing to Jesus satanic activity.
They reversed the actual order.....the practice of which is also prevalent today. Satans activity is attributed to God and God's activity is attributed to Satan.
Consider how the above quoted Matthew 10:28 is understood by most.
 

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The Destroyer, he is the one to fear because he has the power to cast into hell.

These words are spoken because Jesus was accused of working in cahoots with Beelzebub (Satan) ie, the religious folk were attributing to Jesus satanic activity.
They reversed the actual order.....the practice of which is also prevalent today. Satans activity is attributed to God and God's activity is attributed to Satan.
Consider how the above quoted Matthew 10:28 is understood by most.

He says this here

Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell (geenna); yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

And then of these here

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (tartaroo), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

In either it appears to be speaking of God doing this
 
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He says this here

Luke 12:4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell (geenna); yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

And then of these here

2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell (tartaroo), and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

In either it appears to be speaking of God doing this
Yes, it does appear that God is responsible. However when we contrast it with Jesus' fundamental message of God, a different picture emerges. For instance Peter would say, 'Cast all your cares upon him, for he takes care of you.' 1 Peter 5:7.....and Jesus says 'Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest to your souls.' Matthew 11:29
Jesus spends his whole reality giving gifts free of charge. Doesn't that say something?....and we miss it.

The question is, which filter do we subscribe to to determine God's character. It is the filter we use which determines how we see/ understand God.

In my view, Satan has so misrepresented and confused the issue in mens minds that well meaning people have a distorted view of God's nature/ character. He (Satan) has used and uses manners of speech, idioms, a blindness to context, bias, prejudice, cultural separations and a variety of other methods/ understandings to attribute to God his own characteristics.
Is it any wonder many Christians live in an insecure internal reality!
 

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Yes, it does appear that God is responsible. However when we contrast it with Jesus' fundamental message of God, a different picture emerges. For instance Peter would say, 'Cast all your cares upon him, for he takes care of you.' 1 Peter 5:7.....and Jesus says 'Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest to your souls.' Matthew 11:29
Jesus spends his whole reality giving gifts free of charge. Doesn't that say something?....and we miss it.

The question is, which filter do we subscribe to to determine God's character. It is the filter we use which determines how we see/ understand God.

In my view, Satan has so misrepresented and confused the issue in mens minds that well meaning people have a distorted view of God's nature/ character. He (Satan) has used and uses manners of speech, idioms, a blindness to context, bias, prejudice, cultural separations and a variety of other methods/ understandings to attribute to God his own characteristics.
Is it any wonder many Christians live in an insecure internal reality!

Your reasoning is (if I am catching this correctly) is that, since we should cast our cares upon the Lord, this means that we should cast out Luke 12:4-5 and 2 Peter 2:4 which makes mention of his power to cast whoever it might be into hell?

One voids out the other?
 
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Your reasoning is (if I am catching this correctly) is that, since we should cast our cares upon the Lord, this means that we should cast out Luke 12:4-5 and 2 Peter 2:4 which makes mention of his power to cast whoever it might be into hell?

One voids out the other?
The question is, why does it appear that one voids the other? My short answer would be, Jesus has not been seen in his Glory....and I do not mean in his razzamatazz lightning kaboom power but rather, self sacrificing Calvary.

John records this in John 12:27 '
27“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

Further....
Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (John 17) gives light into the term 'glory'.
God's glory is taking the least position ....even submitting himself to the hands of wicked men. It is the fact opposite to what men consider glory.
 
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The word Trinity isn't in the Bible either.

Furthermore, denominations came as a result of the Protestant Reformation.
Do you think we should all have remained Catholic?

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Corruption within the RCC should of been exposed and dealt with from within ?
The creation of other Denominations was just Political intent and played for such ends, many people got killed etc because of such.

Look at the RCC nowadays it's outright out of Order with the Clown Pope Frances, but he is propped up by the MSM in fact ! not to mention in my life time all of the Popes before Pope Frances now were all hated and under full on attack by the MSM 24/7 !

But just look at the people of the RCC why do they put up with such a out right worldly Pope ? that is a Freemason in fact !
A Pope that is hiding who he truly is serving ! not to mention within the RCC are a Mob that are Anti-Christ in fact and such as this had been called out by past Popes in fact ! Pope Ben called such out ! He said to Pray for him in regards of the queers within as did Pope JP 2, for they did not have such power to toss that Mob out for they are so powerful.
I am surer Pope JP was on that path and was killed by the Mob within.
Not to mention all that Pope Paul VI wrote about such is inspiring.
Not to mention Pope Pius XI was killed by a Mob within.
Not to mention all of what Pope Leo XIII had to say on such evil that was coming, was a fantastic vision to the nature that he could see regarding the future, how correct he was in fact !

Not to mention what I seen within the RCC and that School within, nothing inspiring to be seen in regards Christ Jesus that's for sure and I never met one person within that could give a rats ! it was all intent about Idolising Socialism, this world ! especialy the last two years of my nippers schooling. their was a change in Principle who was not even a Christian ! but a total moron Legal eagle, so only placed their as to defend the good name of the Church School, period ! not to mention the Priest was a shocker full of crap.

But it was the Power that such people had within to corrupt ! as is the same with any Church denomination that I have seen, as they went from bad to worse in fact ! not to mention to pathetic ! No one would stand up and call such out and if they did, it went nowhere.
 

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The question is, why does it appear that one voids the other? My short answer would be, Jesus has not been seen in his Glory....and I do not mean in his razzamatazz lightning kaboom power but rather, self sacrificing Calvary.

John records this in John 12:27 '
27“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name!”

Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.

Further....
Jesus prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane (John 17) gives light into the term 'glory'.
God's glory is taking the least position ....even submitting himself to the hands of wicked men. It is the fact opposite to what men consider glory.
I do agree with the above as far as him being glorified in death.

The same can be shown in Peter

John 21:18-19 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

Might not understand how the other things connect, but I agree there
 

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I do agree with the above as far as him being glorified in death.

The same can be shown in Peter

John 21:18-19 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not. This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.

Might not understand how the other things connect, but I agree there
God has given us the clearest picture of himself in Jesus, both his living and dying. It is the very thing Satan wants to obscure and he bends all his energies to that end.
Satan has no boundaries when it comes to misrepresenting God. He particularly uses those who claim to be his representatives....and the very scriptures (written by men) that record God's interactions with men.

What exposes Satan and his shenanigans is KNOWING/ SEEING Jesus.

When the Greeks came to his disciples with the request to see Jesus ....and that message was relayed to Jesus, he gave this answer,
John 12:20-36
20Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.22Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.
23Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.
27“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
30Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32And I, when I am lifted up g from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
34The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”
35Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
Darkness, is not KNOWING Jesus ie, the character of God.
 
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God has given us the clearest picture of himself in Jesus, both his living and dying. It is the very thing Satan wants to obscure and he bends all his energies to that end.
Satan has no boundaries when it comes to misrepresenting God. He particularly uses those who claim to be his representatives....and the very scriptures (written by men) that record God's interactions with men.

What exposes Satan and his shenanigans is KNOWING/ SEEING Jesus.

When the Greeks came to his disciples with the request to see Jesus ....and that message was relayed to Jesus, he gave this answer,
John 12:20-36
20Now there were some Greeks among those who went up to worship at the festival. 21They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, with a request. “Sir,” they said, “we would like to see Jesus.22Philip went to tell Andrew; Andrew and Philip in turn told Jesus.
23Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life. 26Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.
27“Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? ‘Father, save me from this hour’? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour. 28Father, glorify your name!”
Then a voice came from heaven, “I have glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 29The crowd that was there and heard it said it had thundered; others said an angel had spoken to him.
30Jesus said, “This voice was for your benefit, not mine. 31Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32And I, when I am lifted up g from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.
34The crowd spoke up, “We have heard from the Law that the Messiah will remain forever, so how can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this ‘Son of Man’?”
35Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. 36Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”When he had finished speaking, Jesus left and hid himself from them.
Darkness, is not KNOWING Jesus ie, the character of God.
I agree that

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness,
we lie, and do not the truth

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying,
I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness,
but shall have the light of life.

Ephes 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord:
walk as children of light
 

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Yes please, I'd love to see them if you don't mind posting them when you get the time. Thanks!
Let's go Back to the Future, with Truth you already know.

His Truth will take on even greater meaning/depth for you.

A.) "In the Beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God"

B.) Genesis = Able, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Job, Isaiah, Daniel, etc.........BELIEVED the WORD of God

B.) 1 Peter 1:22-23

C.) Romans 2:28-29

D.) Deuteronomy 30:6

E.) John 3:1-10

F.) John 6:63

G.) Acts 7:38

I.) Matthew 22:29-32

J.) Daniel chapter 12
 

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Jesus was always peaceable and respectful to people who had different religions. Jesus of Nazareth would have been born and raised among a large number of pagan religions, much different from his own. And yet he never once is recorded going on hateful or violent rants against the different religious beliefs of others.






Romans 10:3 - “For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness,
have not submitted to the righteousness of God.” Galatians 6:3 - “For if anyone thinks himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceives himself.”



Rule 1 - Love God.Rule 2 - “ Love your neighbour as you love yourself “. Through rule 2, Lord Jesus has advised all of us to love, respect and show mercy to every human being in this world, which includes members of all religions.

We don’t have to agree with false teachings, .if they aren’t Biblical,.there is a way to discuss, and it’s not by condemnation , ...or throwing out insults, plus fear mongering, Jesus did not fear monger, because one doesn’t agree with another’s religion...Jesus did not preach that..

Everything we do should represent Jesus......which is in Love, Respect, Humility, of course this has to be learnt by our helper the Holy Spirit..

Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth.



Romans 14​




The Weak and the Strong​

1 Accept the one whose faith is weak, without quarreling over disputable matters.
2 One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.
3 The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them.
4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
5 One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.
6 Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.
7 For none of us lives for ourselves alone, and none of us dies for ourselves alone.
8 If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
9 For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
10 You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister ? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat.
11 It is written: “ ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God.’ ”
12 So then, each of us will give an account of ourselves to God.
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean.
15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil.
17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,
18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
19 Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification.
20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble.
21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or to do anything else that will cause your brother or sister to fall.
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves.
23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.
 
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