What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you have Hebrews chapters 8 through 10 in your Bible? If so, read them and then you will have the real interpretation of Jeremiah 31 and you will learn what the new covenant is all about and how it was established by the blood of Christ and His once for all sacrifice and replaced the old covenant with its inadequate animal sacrifices long ago.

YOu need to learn the difference between establishing something and fulfilling it.

Hebrews does not "interpret" (or as you are seeking to reinterpret)

But you are getting closer to understanding.

Hebrews was written to Hebrews, not Gentiles. It was dealing with the superiority of Jesus over the old sacrificial system and Jesus was the once for all sacrifice.

But as long as there is one unsaved Jew anywhere and one Jew who does not know the Lord and one Jew who is not Gods people, the covenant is not fulfilled.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So you agree that Jesus did give His disciples a New Covenant in His Blood which remits sins.

What took you so long?

No He gave us the price paid for the new covenant of Jer. 31 to be fulfilled at some point. Hisw blood established the covenant but the terms has not been fulfilled.

what reading problem do you have that you cannot understand jer. 31? do you think it is sone secret code that needs you to reinterpret it?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

So Matthew 26:27,28 is hogwash.

Have you told the Lord?

Does He agree with you?

No it is our redemption! But it is not the New Covenant, but the price paid for the covenant to be established. but if you read the terms of the covenant you will see it has not gone in to effect yet.

Unless you believe we no longer have to share the gospel with the house of Israel and the house of Judah because they all know th eLord already! Ist hat what you believe? I have been to Israel and can testify that not all Jews are followers of Messiah yet.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

24,000 dead Jews. Slain by God Himself.

Tell us what their Jewishness did for them.

Numbers 25 has nothing to do with Zech 13:8-9 nor weith Ez. 20 33-38 nor Romans 11 nor Jeremish 31.

If you have a preoblem with how God deals with His covenant people- Go to him!

 

[covenantee]

No it is our redemption! But it is not the New Covenant, but the price paid for the covenant to be established. but if you read the terms of the covenant you will see it has not gone in to effect yet.

Unless you believe we no longer have to share the gospel with the house of Israel and the house of Judah because they all know th eLord already! Ist hat what you believe? I have been to Israel and can testify that not all Jews are followers of Messiah yet.

There's no evading, avoiding, or escaping it.

You're in blatant blasphemous denial of Christ's fulfilled New Covenant and Blood.

This is a Christian forum.

For more than 17 centuries before the 19th century, the historic orthodox Christian Church was united in proclaiming the fulfillment of Christ's New Covenant in His Blood at Calvary.

It is impossible to deny that and yet bear the name "Christian".

You're on the wrong forum.

Go start your own cult forum and stop defiling this one.

 

[covenantee]

Numbers 25 has nothing to do with Zech 13:8-9 nor weith Ez. 20 33-38 nor Romans 11 nor Jeremish 31.

If you have a preoblem with how God deals with His covenant people- Go to him!

Deals with His dead covenant people?

The problem is yours.

You're unwilling to admit the reason for 24,000 dead Jews.

Hint: It starts with S and ends with N and incorporates a single vowel embedded personal pronoun.

Let us know if that's too difficult.

 

[covenantee]

No He gave us the price paid for the new covenant of Jer. 31 to be fulfilled at some point. Hisw blood established the covenant but the terms has not been fulfilled.

what reading problem do you have that you cannot understand jer. 31? do you think it is sone secret code that needs you to reinterpret it?

Here are some Jews that you should contact. They're alive today.

Excerpt:

"Reference: Jeremiah 31:31–34
Fulfillment: Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 7:22, 8:6–13, 9:15, 10:14-18, 12:24"

Tell them that they don't know what they're talking about, and haven't actually experienced the fulfilled New Covenant.

Tell us what they say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Established? Yes! fulfilled? NO.

What does the new covenant being fulfilled mean?

If you think it has been, then please show where Jews no longer have to have the gospel preached to them for all of them know the Lord.

It's not talking about literally all of them knowing the Lord. That's not even reasonable to think that would ever happen. It's referring to believers in particular all knowing the Lord in a personal way because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

Scripture occasionally comes across on the surface as if it's talking about all people even though it's not. Here's another example:

Acts 2:15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only [e]the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

This was Peter speaking on the day of Pentecost and he was quoting from Joel 2:28-32. Is that prophecy talking about God pouring out His Spirit in literally all people? No. Yet, that's what it says. But, it means that He will pour out His Spirit on all who believe in His Son.

I understand the new covenant. It is a covenant tha is made to Israel and Judah- a new one. to replace the Mosaic covenant.

All believers are under the new covenant because it's all about having your sins forgiven by the blood of Christ. If you would just read Hebrews 8-10 you would see that.

All who belong to Jesus are saved!

Right. And all are under the new covenant because the new covenant is what provides for salvation and forgiveness by the blood of Christ.

But the church is not the house of Judah and the house of Israel in Jeremiah.

According to NT scripture, Gentile believers are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Israelite believers of God's promises (Ephesians 2:11-3:6). Do you not accept that?

I am fully graduated in christianity 101.

Clearly not. You don't even understand a fundamental part of Christianity like the new covenant. You fail the class.

but confusing the church with Israel is the failure of understanding Scripture.

Not understanding that God's promises apply to spiritual Israel rather than the nation of Israel is your failure of understanding scripture. The blood of Christ brought Jew and Gentile believers together as one on equal standing, but you want to make Gentile believers second class citizens of God's kingdom. You have no understanding of the New Testament at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well if we are going to have to answer questions, you answer the one I asked first.

show me from history and Scripture when the terms and promises of the New covenant as written in Jeremiah 31 have been fulfilled.

I am trying to show you. Do I need to read Hebrews 8-10 to you or can you read it yourself? Hebrews 8-10 says that the new covenant was established by the blood of Christ and it has an ongoing fulfillment as each person who puts their faith in Christ has their sins forgiven under the new covenant by His blood. Do you not believe what is taught in Hebrews 8-10?

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:

36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Here is the covenant- now show it is fulfilled.

ful·fill
[fo͝olˈfil]
verb

1. bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted)

The part about God writing His law in their hearts is a reference to the Holy Spirit coming to dwell in the hearts of people who have put their faith in Christ. That has been an ongoing reality for a long time now as people continue to be saved under the new covenant because of the shed blood of Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No it is our redemption! But it is not the New Covenant, but the price paid for the covenant to be established. but if you read the terms of the covenant you will see it has not gone in to effect yet.

This is beyond unbelievable for someone to say this. The new covenant has not gone into effect yet?! I beg to differ! If it hasn't, then you and I are not saved and our sins are not forgiven! If that was the case then no one's sins have yet been forgiven! Is that what you believe?

The new covenant went into effect the moment that Jesus died on the cross when He shed His blood for the sins of the world. Everyone who believes in Him benefits from the new covenant by being saved and having his or her sins forgiven.

It's incredible to me that you have no understanding of this elementary principle of Christianity. I say again that you fail Christianity 101.

Unless you believe we no longer have to share the gospel with the house of Israel and the house of Judah because they all know th eLord already! Ist hat what you believe? I have been to Israel and can testify that not all Jews are followers of Messiah yet.

You are mistaken in thinking it's talking about literally all the house of Israel and Judah knowing the Lord. That isn't meant to be taken literally like that any more than the prophecy from Joel 2:28-32 should be understood to be talking about God literally pouring out His Spirit on all people. That's what the text says, but it isn't what it means since we know that God only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not literally all people. Likewise, Jeremiah 31:31-34 is talking about all from the house of Israel and Judah who believe and not literally every person in the houses of Israel and Judah.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What does the new covenant being fulfilled mean?

You do not know what the word fulfilled means?

It's not talking about literally all of them knowing the Lord. That's not even reasonable to think that would ever happen. It's referring to believers in particular all knowing the Lord in a personal way because of the Holy Spirit dwelling in them.

So when God says all it does not mean all to you. WOW! Maybe then not all who are saved are saved. But what you say is not what God inspired!

Acts 2:15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only [e]the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

This was Peter speaking on the day of Pentecost and he was quoting from Joel 2:28-32. Is that prophecy talking about God pouring out His Spirit in literally all people? No. Yet, that's what it says. But, it means that He will pour out His Spirit on all who believe in His Son.

Now you need to know Greek and how all is used. sometimes it means every single person, and sometimes it means all of a particular group like here.

but you need to show thatthe Jeremiah covenant when God says the house of Israel and Judah and that ALLshall know me from the least to the greatest shall know me does not mean all of Judah and all of Israel and all from the least to the greatest.

Right. And all are under the new covenant because the new covenant is what provides for salvation and forgiveness by the blood of Christ.

So show that in the New covenant and you win! The New covenant is declared in Jer. 31 and most of it repeated in Hebrews ( abook addressed to Jews) so show that the new Covenant as written is also for gentiles and you win.

Clearly not. You don't even understand a fundamental part of Christianity like the new covenant. You fail the class.

Wellyou rclass of allegorical reinterpretation, yes I fail. But I will let my Savior judge. You have failed to provide empirical biblical evidence to cause me to change my mind.

According to NT scripture, Gentile believers are fellow citizens and fellow heirs with Israelite believers of God's promises (Ephesians 2:11-3:6). Do you not accept that?

100% but that does not make us Jews or some kind of "Spiritual Israel".. I t makes us fellow heirs and partakers, not taker overs.

Not understanding that God's promises apply to spiritual Israel rather than the nation of Israel is your failure of understanding scripture. The blood of Christ brought Jew and Gentile believers together as one on equal standing, but you want to make Gentile believers second class citizens of God's kingdom. You have no understanding of the New Testament at all.

No, its my failure to understand teh allegorical hermeneutic that takes passages and then reinterprets them.

Spiritual Israel is saved Israel! Paul made that abundantly clear in romans 9-1`1 unless you believe that what Paul wrote is not what he meant like you are doing with Jeremiah.

I am trying to show you. Do I need to read Hebrews 8-10 to you or can you read it yourself? Hebrews 8-10 says that the new covenant was established by the blood of Christ and it has an ongoing fulfillment as each person who puts their faith in Christ has their sins forgiven under the new covenant by His blood. Do you not believe what is taught in Hebrews 8-10?

100%.l but who is the Book of Hebrews written to? Jewish believers or the church in general?

I also believe that the blood of Jesus paid for the covenant and His death and resurresction established the foundation for the covenant to be fulfilled.

But as long as you believe that what Jeremiah wrote is not what is meant- we will always have a massive disagreement. I believe that teh Covenant is true as written and understood for centuries.

Show me where you have the authority to allegfoize the many passages you have so far and how do you determine.

Why should I believe your "opinion" of what is written in stead of what is actually written?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

This is beyond unbelievable for someone to say this. The new covenant has not gone into effect yet?! I beg to differ! If it hasn't, then you and I are not saved and our sins are not forgiven! If that was the case then no one's sins have yet been forgiven! Is that what you believe?

Here is the new covenant again:

Jeremiah 31:31-37

King James Version

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Please show me where it says we can't be saved unless we accept the blood of jesus.

Now I know Jesus blood was shed to pay for our sins and that it was the price paid to insure the New Covenant would go into effect.

You are mistaken in thinking it's talking about literally all the house of Israel and Judah knowing the Lord. That isn't meant to be taken literally like that any more than the prophecy from Joel 2:28-32 should be understood to be talking about God literally pouring out His Spirit on all people. That's what the text says, but it isn't what it means since we know that God only pours out His Spirit on all believers, not literally all people. Likewise, Jeremiah 31:31-34 is talking about all from the house of Israel and Judah who believe and not literally every person in the houses of Israel and Judah.

I know God specifically says the House of Israel and the House of Judah to a Jewish prophet speaking to the nations of Israel and Judah and you say it is not about the house of Israel and the house of Judah! Talk about failing Christianity 001!

Why shoud we believe your writings over what God inspired His writers to write?????

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You do not know what the word fulfilled means?

LOL. Of course I know what it means. I'm asking YOU what you believe the word means in relation to the new covenant.

So when God says all it does not mean all to you. WOW! Maybe then not all who are saved are saved. But what you say is not what God inspired!

Do you actually read what I say or just skim over it? I did not say "when God says all it does not mean all". I'm saying there are times when it says that, but doesn't mean literally all. Unless you think the following is talking about God pouring out His Spirit on literally all people?

Acts 2:15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel: 17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God, That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your young men shall see visions, Your old men shall dream dreams.

Are you going to claim that this is talking about God pouring out His Spirit on literally all flesh/people? If all means all, I guess that's what it must be saying, right? Or do we need to look at the context to see who "all flesh" are referring to exactly?

Now you need to know Greek and how all is used. sometimes it means every single person, and sometimes it means all of a particular group like here.

First, you falsely accuse me of saying that when God says all it doesn't mean all. Then you proceed to agree with me that the meaning of the word all depends on the context. Wow. What is wrong with you? That's what I'm saying as well. Except I don't take Jeremiah 31:31-34 to be talking about literally all people of the houses of Israel and Judah, but rather all believers (so, unbelievers are not included). Just like how God pouring out His Spirit on all people doesn't mean literally all people, but all believers.

but you need to show thatthe Jeremiah covenant when God says the house of Israel and Judah and that ALLshall know me from the least to the greatest shall know me does not mean all of Judah and all of Israel and all from the least to the greatest.

Just read Hebrews 8-10 if you want to understand the new covenant. I can't explain it any better than that. So, will you do that or are you going to continue to insist on having your own understanding of it that doesn't match what is described in Hebrews 8-10?

So show that in the New covenant and you win! The New covenant is declared in Jer. 31 and most of it repeated in Hebrews ( abook addressed to Jews) so show that the new Covenant as written is also for gentiles and you win.

UNBELIEVABLE! How can you think that the new covenant is not also for Gentiles?!!! Do you not understand that the new covenant is about Jesus making a sacrifice "once for ALL" in order to provide atonement for sins? How else can we receive the forgiveness of sins except through the blood sacrifice of Christ on the cross that established the new covenant?!!! Do you not accept what scripture teaches about Gentile believers being fellow citizens and fellow heirs of God's promises (Ephesians 2:11-3:6)? Do you accept anything that is taught in the New Testament? Do you ever read the New Testament?

You are not only failing Christianity 101 here, but you are getting 0% in the class. This is truly astounding that any Christian could possibly be this ignorant about a fundamental part of Christianity like the new covenant.

Wellyou rclass of allegorical reinterpretation, yes I fail. But I will let my Savior judge. You have failed to provide empirical biblical evidence to cause me to change my mind.

100% but that does not make us Jews or some kind of "Spiritual Israel".. I t makes us fellow heirs and partakers, not taker overs.

If we are fellow heirs and paratkers, then why do you try to create separation between Jew and Gentile believers? We are united as one, but your doctrine keeps us divided.

100%.l but who is the Book of Hebrews written to? Jewish believers or the church in general?

What does that matter? Nowhere in it does it say that the new covenant only applies to Jews. How could that be, knowing that Christ shed His blood not just for Jews, but for Gentiles as well. The new covenant is all about the shed blood of Jesus. That is what put it into effect. He shed His blood for the sins of the Gentiles, too, right? So, how else can we be saved and receive the forgiveness of sins except under the new covenant established by the blood of Christ?

Matthew 26:27 Then He took the cup, and after He gave thanks, He gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Are you trying to say that Jesus was only talking here about His blood of the new covenant being shed for Jews so that they could have the remission of their sins?

I also believe that the blood of Jesus paid for the covenant and His death and resurresction established the foundation for the covenant to be fulfilled.

Did Jesus pay the price only for Jews or for Gentiles, also?

But as long as you believe that what Jeremiah wrote is not what is meant- we will always have a massive disagreement.

This kind of comment is utterly ridiculous. What is meant is explained to us in scripture like Hebrews 8-10. But, you don't want to accept the meaning of the new covenant as scripture explains it.

I believe that teh Covenant is true as written and understood for centuries.

No, you don't, because your understanding of it doesn't line up with what is written about it in Hebrews 8-10. It is made clear that the new covenant is all about Christ's sacrifice "one for all" and that it relates to the forgiveness of sins for anyone who trusts in Him, including Gentile believers. But, you make it out to be something besides that and you make it as something that is only for Jews.

Show me where you have the authority to allegfoize the many passages you have so far and how do you determine.

Why should I believe your "opinion" of what is written in stead of what is actually written?

You should believe what is written about the new covenant in Hebrews 8-10 and other parts of scripture, but you don't. You only look at the text of Jeremiah 31 itself and don't allow other scripture to help you understand what it means. That's on you. Entirely your fault. You don't have to believe what I'm saying. You can read Hebrews 8-10 and other scriptures that describe the new covenant for yourself, but it seems that you're not interested in doing that and would rather cling to your unbiblical understanding of the new covenant.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here is the new covenant again:

Jeremiah 31:31-37​

​

King James Version​

​

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37 Thus saith the Lord; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the Lord.

Please show me where it says we can't be saved unless we accept the blood of jesus.

Now I know Jesus blood was shed to pay for our sins and that it was the price paid to insure the New Covenant would go into effect.

It doesn't say that specifically in that text. That's why we need to read other scripture for the fuller understanding of the new covenant, such as Hebrews 8-10. Why will you not make it easy on yourself and allow scripture itself to help you understand what that passage is about?

Why shoud we believe your writings over what God inspired His writers to write?????

You shouldn't. You should be like the Bereans and study the scriptures for yourself to see if what I'm saying is true. I'm trying to encourage you to read passages like Hebrews 8-10 to aid your understanding of the new covenant and you just balk at that. Are you afraid of what you might discover?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Deals with His dead covenant people?

The problem is yours.

You're unwilling to admit the reason for 24,000 dead Jews.

Hint: It starts with S and ends with N and incorporates a single vowel embedded personal pronoun.

Let us know if that's too difficult.

Well sin kills us all! And if God wants to strike down some of His covenanted people, that is His business and not ours!

No I am not afraid to admit it. If God wished to kill you for a sin you commit, He can do that as well as well as for me!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Here are some Jews that you should contact. They're alive today.

Excerpt:

"Reference: Jeremiah 31:31–34
Fulfillment: Matthew 26:28; Mark 14:24; Luke 22:20; 1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 7:22, 8:6–13, 9:15, 10:14-18, 12:24"

Tell them that they don't know what they're talking about, and haven't actually experienced the fulfilled New Covenant.

Tell us what they say.

Well if you want to do dueling Jewish authorities I have one for you . Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum.

Leading Messianic Jewish teacher for Jewish believers. Holds a college for Jewish believers called Camp shoshonah and has an amazing website called ariel.org.

He was a mentor to me for 20 years.

https://arielcontent.org/dcs/pdf/mbs021m.pdf

Pages 34-38 are the pages covering the New covenant.

And I know Jews for Jesus. I have even worshipped with them in Israel.

But to let you know- the article you cite doesn't show the provisions of the covenant have been fulfilled. that is the issue.

At least spiritual Israelite came out and said that what is written isn't what god meant and He reinterpreted it.

 

[covenantee]

Well sin kills us all! And if God wants to strike down some of His covenanted people, that is His business and not ours!

No I am not afraid to admit it. If God wished to kill you for a sin you commit, He can do that as well as well as for me!

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


The 24,000 slain Jews of Numbers 25:9 obviously refused to confess their sin.

They thus breached their covenant with God, and thus suffered His judgment and punishment.

Their Jewish DNA did not save them from the consequence of their unconfessed sin then.

Their Jewish DNA does not save them from from the consequence of their unconfessed sin today.

Their Jewish DNA will not save them from from the consequence of their unconfessed sin in the future.

 

[covenantee]

And I know Jews for Jesus. I have even worshipped with them in Israel.

You obviously didn't learn anything from them.

They were worshipping the Jesus who saved them by the shed Blood of His New Covenant at Calvary.

You weren't.

But to let you know- the article you cite doesn't show the provisions of the covenant have been fulfilled. that is the issue.

The article lists the Scriptures confirming the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31.

Contact them and have them explain it to you.

 

[covenantee]

Well if you want to do dueling Jewish authorities I have one for you . Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum.

Bro. Arnold affirms the following:

"Nevertheless, a number of Scriptures connect the New Covenant with the Church". He then cites Matthew 26:28, Hebrews 8:6-13, et al, the same Scriptures as cited by the Jews for Jesus.

See that? Hebrews 8:6-13.

Connected to The Church.

The only duel is between you and Bro. Arnold.

The New Covenant and NT Church were born 2,000 years ago.

Clearly Bro. Arnold disagrees with your claim that the New Covenant "has not gone in to effect yet".

Nor is there any nonsense about "establish" vs. "fulfill".

Better retake that Christianity 101 class that you've flunked.

And have a talk with Bro. Arnold.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

LOL. Of course I know what it means. I'm asking YOU what you believe the word means in relation to the new covenant.

I know what it means

What does that matter? Nowhere in it does it say that the new covenant only applies to Jews. How could that be, knowing that Christ shed His blood not just for Jews, but for Gentiles as well. The new covenant is all about the shed blood of Jesus. That is what put it into effect. He shed His blood for the sins of the Gentiles, too, right? So, how else can we be saved and receive the forgiveness of sins except under the new covenant established by the blood of Christ?

Well re read the covenant in Hebrews 8 and Jer. 31 and show where it says Gentiles. Gentiles are saved by th eblood of Jesus and we are grafted onto the vine (Jesus) but no where is the church found anywhere in the new covenant. If it is, lease show me where Gentiles or the church are specifically listed.

We are not talking about salvation, but the terms spelled out in the covenant as written.

No, you don't, because your understanding of it doesn't line up with what is written about it in Hebrews 8-10. It is made clear that the new covenant is all about Christ's sacrifice "one for all" and that it relates to the forgiveness of sins for anyone who trusts in Him, including Gentile believers. But, you make it out to be something besides that and you make it as something that is only for Jews.

No, I fully understand Hebrews 8-10. YO make a mistake in your writing. In Hebrews 10 "once for all" is nnot written to apply to everyone, but it is written to say the blood of Jesus was shed once for all time. Keep it in context and you see it is in contrast to teh constant blood offerings of bulls and goats (Jewish not gentile practices).

And no, I do not make the blood of Jesus only for Jews, nor have I even implied such. th eopposite is true.

But the Covenant as written is a jewish covenant just like the Mosaic covenjant which it replaced is a Jewish and not a gentile covenant.

doesn't say that specifically in that text. That's why we need to read other scripture for the fuller understanding of the new covenant, such as Hebrews 8-10. Why will you not make it easy on yourself and allow scripture itself to help you understand what that passage is about?

It says it is specifically for the house of Israel and Judah which means the 12 tribes that make up Israel! It is a Jewish covenant and nothing in Hebrews 8-10 contradicts this. Remember the writer is writing to Jews specifically It should be obvious to all seeing how He contrasts the superiority of the blood of Jesus (which purchased and established the New covenant) in comparison to the Old Mosaic Covenant.