Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

[David in NJ]

God is spirit, and Jesus' return is in the glory of the Father whom is spirit.

Why therefore, do you speak against the Spirit and the glory of God?

the WORD that was God is Spirit

the WORD that was God/Spirit became flesh and dwelt among us

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication;
then they will look on Me whom they pierced.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

All truth (John 16:13) and the finish of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) is promised. Meaning, there is a time when we actually do come to "know the day and the hour" of the Lord's coming (Matthew 24:36).

Sounds like some folk think Jesus got it wrong.... Jesus specifically said only the Father knows!

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That's too bad for those that believe Jesus got it wrong....

 

[ScottA]

the WORD that was God is Spirit

the WORD that was God/Spirit became flesh and dwelt among us

And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen.

And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication;
then they will look on Me whom they pierced.

The quotes are true, but you are mixing what is true of the flesh with what is not true of the spirit of God, no more than darkness has part with light.

In the scriptures, that comes from mixing "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have” the idea that "every eye shall see Him." But the one speaks of the flesh seeing the flesh and in the flesh, while the other speaks of the spirit seeing in the spirit--which the flesh cannot see unless it is revealed.

But that is all just the make up of the one as opposed to the other. The real difference, is not that we are changed from flesh to glorified flesh--which is not biblical, but rather that we lay down our flesh as Christ did, and then was raised up in the spirit to the greater glory of God which the flesh has yet to even imagine--nor could it--without the renewing of your mind.

God is not creating hybrids...but "each according to its own kind." Do you not know that "that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit?"

Simply put, God (including Jesus, in whom we who are His are) is not flesh, but spirit, and we are to be One with Him...and be "like Him."

 

[ScottA]

Sounds like some folk think Jesus got it wrong.... Jesus specifically said only the Father knows! View attachment 56764

Matthew 24:36
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

That's too bad for those that believe Jesus got it wrong.... View attachment 56765

You are looking at it wrong.

What Jesus said, was true when He said it. And He could very well have added that "the time is coming when you will know." Which He did in different ways...but remember, that until the end all truth was to be under restraint.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are looking at it wrong.

Either Jesus lied or He was telling the Truth.... Jesus specifically said only the Father knows!

I'm going with Jesus knows whassup and those that claim He doesn't are listening to some spirit other than the Holy Ghost

Folks that call Jesus a liar are creating separation from the Lord for themselves and they don't even know.

Even if someone did figure out the day and hour... the Lord would change it because.... ONLY the Father knows!

 

[Dan Clarkston]

He could very well have added that "the time is coming when you will know."

No, actually that's YOU adding to scripture. Jesus never said that.

So go ahead and get it out.,... what day, month, and year is the Lord going to return?
Go ahead and set the date so when it passes we will all see and know you are a false prophet

 

[MatthewG]

I personally believed Jesus had to have come during the siege of Jerusalem. In 70Ad.

It’s faithfully believed and I have no proof other than the siege itself. With, 1,000,000 people dead, those whom were watching, waiting and seeking him, Jew and gentile alike within that area were taken. Those who were faithless didn’t see him.

But still the whole scenario plays out in revelation of what Jesus spoke of concerning the end of there “world” “Mosaic Age.”

A day and time exactly when he showed up couldn’t tell you, but faithfully I continue to believe Jesus wasn’t a fraud, and the apostle themselves where not lying to the people they wrote too. Otherwise, what’s the point in listening to Jesus or even his apostles if they had been liars to begin with.

On the flip side, we don’t know the day or hour of our own death. Which I told a coworker yesterday; I still fear the notion, all people do.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

No, actually that's YOU adding to scripture. Jesus never said that.

So go ahead and get it out.,... what day, month, and year is the Lord going to return?
Go ahead and set the date so when it passes we will all see and know you are a false prophet View attachment 56808

This is all based on not knowing the day or hour that the thief comes? Right? Suggesting that since Jesus did not know the day or hour that the thief comes, how only the Father knows the day and hour that the thief comes which coming is in the Fathers charge which no man knows…then how did Jesus Know ahead of time? How did Jesus know ahead of time “I must go?” How did He know by that which is revealed and was revealed by the prophets that He was going to the crucifixion? Did Jesus end up on the cross being blindsided by the thief in the night coming? In no way can we read all of the passages and declare honestly that Jesus Christ did not know the hour or the day? So we must have misunderstood what His words meant. Not that He did not say stay awake for you do not the hour or the day or which part of the night the thief comes only the Father knows, but it will be unexpectedly. Did it come (the hour of darkness, “this is your hour” and did a thief catch Jesus unexpectedly, “unaware”? Come on…He even said at the table He knew who would betray Him(being told beforehand). Yet in those same passages (we latch on to that no man knows, there is …”if the master of the house knew what day and hour the thief comes, the master would not have allowed his house to be broken into.” it is even set apart with this “know this” And how a servant does not know what the master of the house is doing, but I call you friends. Also, the Spirit reveals to you…know this: being of the day and not the night…walk not in darkness but in the light. That that day catches you not “unaware” and “unexpectedly”???

Point though is this…
Those who say Jesus Did not even know the day and hour that the thief comes…
WHO told him the thief was coming, the hour of darkness when Jesus said “the thief comes” while they fell asleep in the garden… did Jesus know beforehand the thief was coming and was He prepared? I mean wasn’t that His entire journey we see and read unfold on the pages of the New Testament that He did know beforehand? Did He know the hour and the day considering He walked WillIngly towards the day and hour of “I must go”; His own death? That we may know, and so that that day does not overtake you (unexpectedly) (caught “unaware”) by a thief in the Night?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

This is all based on not knowing the day or hour that the thief comes? Right?

And God's Word says Jesus returning will be "like" a thief in the night because we will not know when He is coming.

Matthew 24:43,44
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

then how did Jesus Know ahead of time?

Either folks think Jesus lied about this or told the Truth about this.

Jesus said only the Father knows, and when it's time for Jesus to return... it's right at that moment will the Father tell Him it's time to return. Very simple, unless one is accusing Jesus of being a liar or is otherwise rejecting what Jesus said.

This all remind me of those that claim Jesus was not actually born of a virgin all because they don't understand how such a thing could possible happen... God said He was in His Word so that settles it... unless one is listening to the devil who always claims what God said is false.

All things are possible with God except for... lying.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you claim to be of His body? I get it seems like the lesser glorified body in what His Word speaks of where a body is not one member but many who are supposed to care for one another and be no more alone. We may say that is just allegory but which is allegory really? They thought He meant only his flesh body, but did He mean a Spiritual body He will raise again? That passage speaks of all members having need of one another perfecting “itself” in love. That “itself” being the many members of One glorified body which is to the full statue of Christ. I get it …that sounds like being let down from our expectation that it speaks of our own flesh body being gloried and so we go solo on trying to achieve the resurrection of a prime focus on a solo act. Where is His glorified body you asked? What did He (the Father) do with the body of Christ? Great question. Ephesians 2:21-22
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, [22] in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

He speaks of “His body” that He will build up and raise up again…what is growing and being raised up as it grows up in Him in all things? With Christ as the foundation? I don’t know why this “gloried body” He speaks and prayed to the Father for “that they may be all One, as we are One Father.” But I personally think it will be better than our expectations of what men say it promises as a solo endeavor of gaining riches. Do we miss the point of what riches those are? It is one another being added unto the body of Christ.

Well all this Word salad seems to say little. Jesus physically rose from the dead as is written, Jesus physically walked the earth after His resurrfection as was witnessed by over 500 and written in the word. He also physically ascended into heaven in the body He died and rose with as is written.

Jesus by physically rising in the glorified physical body is the first fruits of the resurrection.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It would appear that we will have to take things, point by point.

Individual salvation is His return, described by Paul, as "but each one in his own order." "Each one" being defined in the original language as "each individual."

You are mixing two separate events and trying to make them one. Jesus physical return is not salvation. Trusting in christ is salvation. You have taken a verse out of context.

That is the misunderstanding and teaching of men. The flesh is not "glorified." That is not what it says.

Yes that is what it says.

I will ask you: Do you believe that Jesus inherited the kingdom of God, in the flesh?

I will answer this when you answer my question. did Jesus ascend in to heaven with His glorified physical body?

If not what happened to the body that over 500 witnessed HIm in and He told Thomas that He was a real person and not a spirit? I asked this first of you so answer this and I will answer you.

 

[ScottA]

Either Jesus lied or He was telling the Truth.... Jesus specifically said only the Father knows!

I'm going with Jesus knows whassup and those that claim He doesn't are listening to some spirit other than the Holy Ghost

Folks that call Jesus a liar are creating separation from the Lord for themselves and they don't even know. View attachment 56806

Even if someone did figure out the day and hour... the Lord would change it because.... ONLY the Father knows! View attachment 56807

No, actually that's YOU adding to scripture. Jesus never said that.

So go ahead and get it out.,... what day, month, and year is the Lord going to return?
Go ahead and set the date so when it passes we will all see and know you are a false prophet View attachment 56808

I explained. But you are not listening or hearing. Fine then.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Jesus said only the Father knows, and when it's time for Jesus to return... it's right at that moment will the Father tell Him it's time to return. Very simple, unless one is accusing Jesus of being a liar or is otherwise rejecting what Jesus said.

I’m asking did Jesus Christ know the hour and the day? Not about the rest but about this below as Him saying even He did not know?

Matthew 24:36 Lexicon: "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

I’m asking if Jesus Christ knew what was to come beforehand? Did He know what hour the thief would come? Luke 22:52-53 Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be you come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves? [53] When I was daily with you in the temple, you stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

He knew the hour…and the day…He knew the hour was their hour, and the power of darkness. Did Jesus Christ know while He sweated blood beforehand in the garden? Who told Him the hour was coming all along? Even when He spoke to the woman by the well, He spoke of the hour coming. Which we say only the Father knew? Ok. Did His Father show the Son the hour and the day?

John 14:28-31 KJV
You have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you.(something he kept saying not as one who didn’t know, but as one with clear sight) If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. [29] And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when it is come to pass, you might believe. [30] Hereafter I will not talk much with you: for the prince of this world come, (He knew the hour, not caught unaware or unexpectedly) and has nothing in me. [31] But that the world may know that I love the Father; and as the Father gave me commandment, even so I do. Arise, let us go hence.

Point is I’m not buying Jesus Christ didn’t know the hour or the day. To me this is yet another thing that reveals Jesus Christ as sent of God and He did and said what his Father did and said. He told them only the Father knew the day, hour, time … they should have asked when they come to the garden to take Him who told him and how did he know the hour and the day? would He have told them “My Father”?


He was not caught off guard, was not caught unaware, and was not caught unexpectedly. To me that is the point. Even going as far as when the hour of darkness come, when the thief comes…Jesus remarks none of you laid hands on Me, yet “this is your hour” and come out as against a thief? Another bold proclamation that the Father knows the hour, day and time and has revealed that hour, day and time to the Son of God. What I hear is Jesus Christ clearly proclaiming His Father told Him and their coming did not catch Him by surprise.

 

[ScottA]

You are mixing two separate events and trying to make them one. Jesus physical return is not salvation. Trusting in christ is salvation. You have taken a verse out of context.

Yes, what was divided out as unfolded day by day, is now refolded, wherein nothing is out of context. The events are many, but God is One.

Do you not know this will require the renewing of your mind?

 

[ScottA]

Yes that is what it says.

No--what it [all] says, is "God" is glorified.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, what was divided out as unfolded day by day, is now refolded, wherein nothing is out of context. The events are many, but God is One.

Do you not know this will require the renewing of your mind?

What does all this gobbledy gook mean? Do you know how to speak to people in a colloquial way or you going to just stay mystic?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No--what it [all] says, is "God" is glorified.

Well all Scripture says god is glorified but no!

You still haven't answered my question.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I explained. But you are not listening or hearing. Fine then.

And your explanation was in opposition to what Jesus said.

Nothing personal but Jesus knows more than you homie!

I’m asking did Jesus Christ know the hour and the day?

Just specifically said... only the Father knows, so no Jesus does not know... according to what He said.

We might have to get some little children in to help explain this to the adults... it's so simple that children can understand this but the adults... not so much

Point is I’m not buying Jesus Christ didn’t know the hour or the day.

Well, some folks think Jesus lies every once in a while... I personally don't accept that Jesus told a few lies but apparently some do.

The reason the Father holds this in privacy is because we are joint heirs with Jesus and if Jesus knew then we would have the right to know as well the day and hour of the second return of Jesus

If most claiming to be Christians knew... they're probably go live in sin right up to the day the Lord is about to return

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you not know this will require the renewing of your mind?

Do you not know that God has renewed my mind? And that I don't answer to you ropinions of what you think of my spirituality? Unless you are proclaiming you are part of the triune God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, what was divided out as unfolded day by day, is now refolded, wherein nothing is out of context. The events are many, but God is One.

Do you talk to people day to day in this mystic mish mosh? Why not talk to us as normal people instead of trying to sound like some mystic guru?