Knowing the Day and the Hour of the Lord's Coming

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I am very much with you on most of that...except that is not the lie foretold by Paul.
Look around my friend . There is a delusional love of this world
that has captivated both the false religoins and much of christendom .
ITS MERGING them scott . all under a LIE . and what does the lie imply
We all serve the same God just love one another . AND implies no religoins truth is better than the others .
Implying THERE IS NO NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . now what spirit is that of my friend .
a hint . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , as do all other religoins , is anti christ
He who beleives not the testimony GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
YET THIS VERSION of so called love for unity and world peace , SEEMS to be the love that has
taken over EVEN much of christendom . AKA , THERE BE A STRONG DELUSION at work all right
and many sure seem to be in love with A LIE they think IS LOVE and think is of GOD .
And before you try and say its always been like this . OH its been in the world no doubt
BUT ITS GROWN MASSIVE and specially as of late . INQUITY is skyrocketing my friend
and many are running right to a lie they think IS and even call LOVE and loving and of GOD .
ITS NOT OF GOD my friend . Its of the dragon who loveth and desires the death of humanity .
Getting worse all the time scott . All under the guise that it is bible bashing
to even remind the lost about JESUS the CHRIST as you will see occured on another thread .
WE GOT DUPED buddy . Rick warrens seeker friendly evanglism IS NOW THE EVANGLISM of the church
and it has led and will lead all to the second death to the lie foretold to the day of their destruction .
 
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All truth (John 16:13) and the finish of the mystery of God (Revelation 10:7) is promised. Meaning, there is a time when we actually do come to "know the day and the hour" of the Lord's coming (Matthew 24:36).

That day and hour--although many do not recognize or acknowledge it as such--is the day and hour in which the Lord comes knocking and we open to Him (Revelation 3:20). At such a time we are born again of the spirit of God, as that is the time of His spirit coming into us. Such is the culmination of all scripture and the works of God toward our salvation. In that moment one is changed, having passed from death to life, never to be the same, as a new creation.

Much confusion however, has come from the fact that we who are alive and spiritually anew within, remain within our old physical self until the Lord is through with our physical body which then carries the good news and testimony of Christ within. Paul referred to this, saying "we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:14). Which does not mean that He has not yet come unto those alive and remaining, but rather that He has not yet come to all--to whom we who are alive and remain then aid in His coming to those to whom He comes after us. Which we do by the word of our testimony (Revelation 12:11).

As for those who do not recognize or acknowledge these things as such, many are the victims of foretold false teachers who have hindered those who were entering in. All of which was to continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. These are those times.

As for those who are not sure whether they are born again of the spirit of God (which is the spirit of Christ entering into them), you can know by the notable change within you. There are things we once loved, we no longer love, but come to hate. Even so, our old self may still love those things we have inwardly come to hate. This is that struggle that Paul confessed, saying "For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice" (Romans 7:19). It is for this reason that we are counselled to "endure to the end" (Matthew 24:13).
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Look around my friend . There is a delusional love of this world
that has captivated both the false religoins and much of christendom .
ITS MERGING them scott . all under a LIE . and what does the lie imply
We all serve the same God just love one another . AND implies no religoins truth is better than the others .
Implying THERE IS NO NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . now what spirit is that of my friend .
a hint . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , as do all other religoins , is anti christ
He who beleives not the testimony GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
YET THIS VERSION of so called love for unity and world peace , SEEMS to be the love that has
taken over EVEN much of christendom . AKA , THERE BE A STRONG DELUSION at work all right
and many sure seem to be in love with A LIE they think IS LOVE and think is of GOD .
And before you try and say its always been like this . OH its been in the world no doubt
BUT ITS GROWN MASSIVE and specially as of late . INQUITY is skyrocketing my friend
and many are running right to a lie they think IS and even call LOVE and loving and of GOD .
ITS NOT OF GOD my friend . Its of the dragon who loveth and desires the death of humanity .
Getting worse all the time scott . All under the guise that it is bible bashing
to even remind the lost about JESUS the CHRIST as you will see occured on another thread .
WE GOT DUPED buddy . Rick warrens seeker friendly evanglism IS NOW THE EVANGLISM of the church
and it has led and will lead all to the second death to the lie foretold to the day of their destruction .
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PLEASE be CAREFUL ScottA,

Those who do not believe of a actual physical Return of the Lord Jesus Christ are susceptible to the lies that are here now and growing.

One of the errors is that His Return is only spiritual.

Whereas the Scriptures make CLEAR that His Return will be Glorious to His saints and devastating to the United Way of Antichrist
 

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As for those who do not recognize or acknowledge these things as such, many are the victims of foretold false teachers who have hindered those who were entering in. All of which was to continue until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. These are those times.
What you said here really makes me consider more: 1 Peter 4:1-7 Forasmuch then as Christ has suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin; [2] That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. [3] For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: [4] Wherein they think it strange that you run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you: [5] Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. [6] For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. [7] But the end of all things is at hand: be you therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
 
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But I will ask a question that anyone is welcome to consider: Just how were God's people to go from "believing a lie" of "destructive doctrines" and "great apostacy", to knowing "all truth" and the "finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets", if not by the same written and established methods, from Him who "is the same yesterday, today, and forever?"

You said: ‘Just how were God's people to go from "believing a lie" of "destructive doctrines" and "great apostacy", to knowing "all truth" and the "finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets",’

A few thoughts…if the master had known his house would be broken into, he would have prepared. It reminds me of Paul telling them they took joyfully the spoiling of their goods, knowing they have a better treasure which men cannot break in and steal. Where no thief approaches.

It was men who came as a thief to kill, steal and destroy out of hatred of Christ. To me (Imo) Jesus Christ saying He comes a thief and to watch and be sober …is that any weapon formed against you will not prosper, I come not to destroy men but instead to save them. Is His coming to destroy our false doctrines we have been held captive in? His coming to destroy the lie? I think so, because of where He said to be no more children tossed about by every wind of doctrine. The same are thieves who will kill you to save themselves? Like the parable of the fowls of the air and all that which comes to steal the Word planted. There is an angst in scripture of “I will come as thief, therefore watch, be sober minded(not carried about by every wind of doctrine), so you keep your garment(only way to keep it is to loose the old man, and put on the New)” (paraphrasing off memory, might not be exact). But yet knowing you have a treasure and a House given of God (knowing if this house be destroyed(dissolved) you have a better House given from above) where no thief approaches. No man can take(steal) your joy in Christ.

I’ve struggled with this topic lately because of depression. Where all the things that once drove me, those things I once desired, He did come take away. He comes as a thief yet what we call evil, can it not be good? If He came to destroy those things that are a lie and not sustaining of true Life in Him, or those things which do not remain; then has His coming as a thief to take those things like fear of what men will do, or blasphemy against God, denial, or lies, deception of every falsehood has He taken away. why call His coming as a thief in the night evil and to do harm, instead of His coming is, that which is save men out from not keeping their garments. Does He not come so that we can loose that which can not save and to be found in Him clothed of the New Man?

Depression is a b*tch. When all you once loved and desired and sought is taken away. where can Hope and purpose be found again? Where has my drive gone? Who stole it? To me it fits which some speak of His coming as evil, some glorify Him at His coming. is He a thief that destroys all things false, that men might be saved? Huge difference. Depression…I get because I’ve experienced the heavy weight of it. At first it’s hatred of God where “why are you so evil and hateful to ruin my plans, God?” But what if those plans led to death? People may not agree but there is a real angst in what we try to make His coming as thief to be. Where it’s to kill and steal and destroy men without, that they may be saved. What is the end?…Jesus can’t wait to kill and “slay” and kill to take away all things false, forgetting that you may have something no man can steal, kill, or take.
 
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"Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" (Revelation 3:20).
That is individual salvation and not HIs return.
Yes--which is "the glory of His Father"--whom "is spirit."

And Jesus is a glorified resurrected body. He is not a Spirit. And teh glory of the Father is not because He is spirit.
This is why I mentioned Jesus being firstfruits--because that is what all of this is about.

In other words, yes, those born again are firstfruits with Christ. Which yes, were crucified and raised up with Him. Which is only confused or sounds crazy, if one insists on the terms being that of times rather than eternity. But--but we are talking about God, and these events, though they may begin in times, are finished in His eternity. And that--that is the transition that was visibly made manifest revealing what is only otherwise partially visible in this world. Thus, in the "like manner" of this world, God has revealed in Jesus' ascension the complete revelation...in spite of many not having the perspective to understand it fully.
So do you believe or not that Jesus physically rose from teh dead and physically ascended into heaven in the body He died and rose from the dead with- howbeit glorified? Yes or no.
 
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And Jesus is a glorified resurrected body. He is not a Spirit. And teh glory of the Father is not because He is spirit.
1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
? 2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he lives by the power of God(whom is Spirit). For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
 

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1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
? 2 Corinthians 13:4 For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he lives by the power of God(whom is Spirit). For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.
So are you saying Jesus did not ascend into heaven with the glorified body He rose from the dead with?

If yes, then what did He do with that body?

And what do these verses have to do as to whether or not Jesus ascend bodily into heaven.
 

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So are you saying Jesus did not ascend into heaven with the glorified body He rose from the dead with?

If yes, then what did He do with that body?
Do you claim to be of His body? I get it seems like the lesser glorified body in what His Word speaks of where a body is not one member but many who are supposed to care for one another and be no more alone. We may say that is just allegory but which is allegory really? They thought He meant only his flesh body, but did He mean a Spiritual body He will raise again? That passage speaks of all members having need of one another perfecting “itself” in love. That “itself” being the many members of One glorified body which is to the full statue of Christ. I get it …that sounds like being let down from our expectation that it speaks of our own flesh body being gloried and so we go solo on trying to achieve the resurrection of a prime focus on a solo act. Where is His glorified body you asked? What did He (the Father) do with the body of Christ? Great question. Ephesians 2:21-22
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, [22] in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

He speaks of “His body” that He will build up and raise up again…what is growing and being raised up as it grows up in Him in all things? With Christ as the foundation? I don’t know why this “gloried body” He speaks and prayed to the Father for “that they may be all One, as we are One Father.” But I personally think it will be better than our expectations of what men say it promises as a solo endeavor of gaining riches. Do we miss the point of what riches those are? It is one another being added unto the body of Christ.
 
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the mystery of inquity and that which is of anti christ are one in the same .
There have been spirits of inquity at work through men and now in this last hour
its morphing massive scott . The sooner we stop reading into prophecy through the lens of men
of pre , mid or whatever dispensational etc , the better off we gonna be .
Learn JUST the bible . Now i have to ask you
what do you THINK the lie foretold of paul was about .
I cannot tell you what I think, but rather what I know.

The lie foretold by Paul causing strong delusion, is regarding the timing of events. Jesus spoke of His return as coming "quickly" or "soon" and gave the details of all that would "shortly come to pass." Saying also after He had gone to the Father, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me (in present tense). But false teachers entering into the church, not seeing Him return "physically" as many still look for--even though Jesus said "the kingdom of God does not come by observation", kicked the can down the road and began teaching the destructive doctrines of a "future" return. Which was believed, and has become the common doctrine still believed and taught to this day.

Even so--even though the general consensus among the church has been and is, according to that age old lie, Jesus has done exactly what He said--only in spirit which is the glory of God, but not visible in this world. But it is not a one time event as so many believe did occur already, or still must occur--but it is as Paul eluded to, saying "but each one in his own order." "One" here, is defined in the original language as: each individual. Which has not been believed, but hidden, being under restraint until just before the end--which Paul also spoke of.

But for anyone who is now at all reasonable, all of these things being written--what is written simply does not describe the church now being correct--any more than the Priests and the Pharisees were correct regarding Jesus' first advent.

The good news is, "all truth" and the "finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets" was also to come--just before the end.
 
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Look around my friend . There is a delusional love of this world
that has captivated both the false religoins and much of christendom .
ITS MERGING them scott . all under a LIE . and what does the lie imply
We all serve the same God just love one another . AND implies no religoins truth is better than the others .
Implying THERE IS NO NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . now what spirit is that of my friend .
a hint . HE who denies JESUS is the CHRIST , as do all other religoins , is anti christ
He who beleives not the testimony GOD gave of the SON calls GOD a liar .
YET THIS VERSION of so called love for unity and world peace , SEEMS to be the love that has
taken over EVEN much of christendom . AKA , THERE BE A STRONG DELUSION at work all right
and many sure seem to be in love with A LIE they think IS LOVE and think is of GOD .
And before you try and say its always been like this . OH its been in the world no doubt
BUT ITS GROWN MASSIVE and specially as of late . INQUITY is skyrocketing my friend
and many are running right to a lie they think IS and even call LOVE and loving and of GOD .
ITS NOT OF GOD my friend . Its of the dragon who loveth and desires the death of humanity .
Getting worse all the time scott . All under the guise that it is bible bashing
to even remind the lost about JESUS the CHRIST as you will see occured on another thread .
WE GOT DUPED buddy . Rick warrens seeker friendly evanglism IS NOW THE EVANGLISM of the church
and it has led and will lead all to the second death to the lie foretold to the day of their destruction .
All of which is indeed collateral damage of the foretold lie, which was a lie of misrepresentation of the truth from Christ which He gave in His own words--not as occurring after some millennia in the distant "future", but as what "must shortly come to pass."
 
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@ScottA

PLEASE be CAREFUL ScottA,

Those who do not believe of a actual physical Return of the Lord Jesus Christ are susceptible to the lies that are here now and growing.

One of the errors is that His Return is only spiritual.

Whereas the Scriptures make CLEAR that His Return will be Glorious to His saints and devastating to the United Way of Antichrist
God is spirit, and Jesus' return is in the glory of the Father whom is spirit.

Why therefore, do you speak against the Spirit and the glory of God?
 

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You said: ‘Just how were God's people to go from "believing a lie" of "destructive doctrines" and "great apostacy", to knowing "all truth" and the "finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets",’

A few thoughts…if the master had known his house would be broken into, he would have prepared. It reminds me of Paul telling them they took joyfully the spoiling of their goods, knowing they have a better treasure which men cannot break in and steal. Where no thief approaches.

It was men who came as a thief to kill, steal and destroy out of hatred of Christ. To me (Imo) Jesus Christ saying He comes a thief and to watch and be sober …is that any weapon formed against you will not prosper, I come not to destroy men but instead to save them. Is His coming to destroy our false doctrines we have been held captive in? His coming to destroy the lie? I think so, because of where He said to be no more children tossed about by every wind of doctrine. The same are thieves who will kill you to save themselves? Like the parable of the fowls of the air and all that which comes to steal the Word planted. There is an angst in scripture of “I will come as thief, therefore watch, be sober minded(not carried about by every wind of doctrine), so you keep your garment(only way to keep it is to loose the old man, and put on the New)” (paraphrasing off memory, might not be exact). But yet knowing you have a treasure and a House given of God (knowing if this house be destroyed(dissolved) you have a better House given from above) where no thief approaches. No man can take(steal) your joy in Christ.

I’ve struggled with this topic lately because of depression. Where all the things that once drove me, those things I once desired, He did come take away. He comes as a thief yet what we call evil, can it not be good? If He came to destroy those things that are a lie and not sustaining of true Life in Him, or those things which do not remain; then has His coming as a thief to take those things like fear of what men will do, or blasphemy against God, denial, or lies, deception of every falsehood has He taken away. why call His coming as a thief in the night evil and to do harm, instead of His coming is, that which is save men out from not keeping their garments. Does He not come so that we can loose that which can not save and to be found in Him clothed of the New Man?

Depression is a b*tch. When all you once loved and desired and sought is taken away. where can Hope and purpose be found again? Where has my drive gone? Who stole it? To me it fits which some speak of His coming as evil, some glorify Him at His coming. is He a thief that destroys all things false, that men might be saved? Huge difference. Depression…I get because I’ve experienced the heavy weight of it. At first it’s hatred of God where “why are you so evil and hateful to ruin my plans, God?” But what if those plans led to death? People may not agree but there is a real angst in what we try to make His coming as thief to be. Where it’s to kill and steal and destroy men without, that they may be saved. What is the end?…Jesus can’t wait to kill and “slay” and kill to take away all things false, forgetting that you may have something no man can steal, kill, or take.
The simple point of Jesus "coming as a thief"--is not that He is a thief, but rather that He comes simply without being seen-- Which is to say (by parable language)--He comes in the glory of the Father--which is in spirit.
 
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That is individual salvation and not HIs return.
It would appear that we will have to take things, point by point.

Individual salvation is His return, described by Paul, as "but each one in his own order." "Each one" being defined in the original language as "each individual."
 

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The simple point of Jesus "coming as a thief"--is not that He is a thief, but rather that He comes simply without being seen-- Which is to say (by parable language)--He comes in the glory of the Father--which is in spirit.
Like what you said. I think of when Paul told the Corinthians that they wanted proof that Christ spoke in Him. They judge by sight. Paul judged not by sight but by Faith in Christ, trusting Him who is able to give sight to the eyes of the blind, saying this “I trust you will see we are not as those who fail” the reason I made bold “will see” is not to speak of their literal seeing, but that their spiritual eyes would be opened to see that: they bore false witness and hated their spiritual brothers. Christ did what they asked, Paul stressing the desire, “we will be weak, that you be made strong, this we pray even your perfecting”. how did they not know Him who was unseen(by them), said those same words of becoming weak that others be made strong? So while I do get what you are saying by “unseen” Moses as seeing Him who is unseen choose not to enjoy the pleasure of sun for a season but had respect for the reward, choosing instead to bear the reproach of Christ with the children of God.
 
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