Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[face2face]

Why are YOU claiming Jesus Didn’t accept that ?

Ah that's right you can't distinguish between the two.

 

[Magdala]

Why would Jesus Christ deflect the praise upward?

Who is inherently Good by nature

“Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone. Mk 10:18.

What is the difference between "me" and "God?"

The answer will once again confirm why Jesus is not God.

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ (I) εἰμι (exist) ὃ "Qu: καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν 15 ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. Kal εἶπεν ὃ Θεὸς πάλιν πρὸς Μωυσῆν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς ᾿Ισραὴλ, Κύριος ὃ Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν, Θεὸς ᾿Αβραὰμ, καὶ Θεὸς ᾿Ισαὰις, καὶ Θεὸς Ἰακὼβ, ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: τοῦτό μου ἐστὶν ὄνομα αἰώ" (Septuagint, Ex. 3:14-15)

"And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15).

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:57, the Pharisees ask Jesus, “You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?”, and He responds by claiming to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)" (Jn. 8:58). The Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus meant by this. From their perspective, Jesus said specifically, “I am God.” How do we know this was their interpretation of His words? We know it from their reaction. They responded by attempting to stone Jesus for having claimed to be God (an act of blasphemy they considered worthy of death): "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ." (Jn. 8:59)

Trinitarians can reconcile Jesus calling Himself God in Jn. 8:58 and saying, "“Why do you call me good? No one is good except one—God" in Mk. 10:18. How do you reconcile these two verses?

 

[face2face]

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: "Καὶ εἶπε Μωυσῆς πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξελεύσομαι πρὸς τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ, καὶ ἐρῶ πρὸς αὐτοὺς, Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: ἐρωτήσουσί με, τί ὄνομα αὐτῷ; τί ἐρῶ. πρὸς αὐτούς; Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ εἰμι ὃ "Qu. καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: "And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you." (Ex. 3:13-14)

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:58, where Jesus claimed to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)." The Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus meant by this. From their perspective, Jesus said specifically, “I am God.” How do we know this was their interpretation of His words? We know it from their reaction. They responded by attempting to stone Jesus for having claimed to be God (an act of blasphemy they considered worthy of death): "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ." (Jn. 8:59)

Trinitarians can reconcile Jesus calling Himself God in Jn. 8:58 and saying, "“Why do you call me good? No one is good except one—God" in Mk. 10:18. How do you reconcile these two verses?

I've provided you with enough.

 

[Magdala]

I've provided you with enough.

Jesus has provided you with enough to prove that He's God by explicitly stating that He's God in Jn. 8:58. Therefore, all the verses, every single one, that you think is evidence for Him not being God can't possibly be the case.

 

[face2face]

Jesus has provided you with enough to prove that He's God by explicitly stating that He's God in Jn. 8:58. Therefore, all the verses, every single one, that you think is evidence for Him not being God can't possibly be the case.

As I said, there is enough wisdom and understanding in this forum for you to find truth - go and look!

 

[Magdala]

As I said, there is enough wisdom and understanding in this forum for you to find truth - go and look!

Find out the truth about what? Whether or not Jesus is God? He said Himself that He is God outright, and this can be found in Jn. 8:58:

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ (I) εἰμι (exist) ὃ "Qu: καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν 15 ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. Kal εἶπεν ὃ Θεὸς πάλιν πρὸς Μωυσῆν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς ᾿Ισραὴλ, Κύριος ὃ Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν, Θεὸς ᾿Αβραὰμ, καὶ Θεὸς ᾿Ισαὰις, καὶ Θεὸς Ἰακὼβ, ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: τοῦτό μου ἐστὶν ὄνομα αἰώ" (Septuagint, Ex. 3:14-15)

"And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15).

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:57, the Pharisees ask Jesus, “You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?”, and He responds by claiming to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)" (Jn. 8:58). The Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus meant by this. From their perspective, Jesus said specifically, “I am God.” How do we know this was their interpretation of His words? We know it from their reaction. They responded by attempting to stone Jesus for having claimed to be God (an act of blasphemy they considered worthy of death): "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ." (Jn. 8:59)

You're choosing to ignore Jesus explicitly stating that He's God, because you'd rather believe that He isn't. If you didn't ignore it, then you'd have to reconcile that fact with verses like Mk. 10:18 and others, and you don't want to, or don't know how. Trinitarians know how, and we're trying to help you and others understand as well.

 

[face2face]

Find out the truth about what? Whether or not Jesus is God? He said Himself that He is God outright, and this can be found in Jn. 8:58:

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: "Καὶ εἶπε Μωυσῆς πρὸς τὸν Θεὸν, ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξελεύσομαι πρὸς τοὺς υἱοὺς ᾿Ισραὴλ, καὶ ἐρῶ πρὸς αὐτοὺς, Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: ἐρωτήσουσί με, τί ὄνομα αὐτῷ; τί ἐρῶ. πρὸς αὐτούς; Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ εἰμι ὃ "Qu. καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: "And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, you shall say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you." (Ex. 3:13-14)

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:58, where Jesus claimed to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)." The Pharisees knew exactly what Jesus meant by this. From their perspective, Jesus said specifically, “I am God.” How do we know this was their interpretation of His words? We know it from their reaction. They responded by attempting to stone Jesus for having claimed to be God (an act of blasphemy they considered worthy of death): "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ." (Jn. 8:59)

You're choosing to ignore Jesus explicitly stating that He's God, because you'd rather believe that He isn't. If you didn't ignore it, then you'd have to reconcile that fact with verses like Mk. 10:18 and others, and you don't want to, or don't know how. Trinitarians know how, and we're trying to help you and others understand as well.

If you are convinced in your mind then so be it.

 

[Bee5]

Elohim is plural and does NOT include the angels.

Where do you think we were BEFORE we were in a " flesh body"?

How is it that God "knew" Jeremiah BEFORE he was in the womb, and "knew" Esau and hated him while he was in the womb...Because God created us LONG ago, but not in flesh bodies at first.. He called us "angels" or stars as pet names .

There was a rebellion as people started going their own way and some followed Lucifer/ satan and God ended that time era , everyone was judged and He started this time era where all of us also have to take on a flesh body

Our 1st body is an "angel supernatural material body" .. our 2nd body is a flesh body that looks the same/image as our "angel" body . When the flesh dies, we still the only have our angel body. We are the same person.

A "body" is just a vessel that contains our mind or spirit.

Or angel body is what God called us and it is supernatural material dna ... our flesh body is of flesh organic minerals etc.

An "angel" is just a person in their supernatural body
Elohim is God and the angels/ children. He called us angels in that 1st body.. We are His children.

 

[David in NJ]

Where do you think we were BEFORE we were in a " flesh body"?

How is it that God "knew" Jeremiah BEFORE he was in the womb, and "knew" Esau and hated him while he was in the womb...Because God created us LONG ago, but not in flesh bodies at first.. He called us "angels" or stars as pet names .

There was a rebellion as people started going their own way and some followed Lucifer/ satan and God ended that time era , everyone was judged and He started this time era where all of us also have to take on a flesh body

Our 1st body is an "angel supernatural material body" .. our 2nd body is a flesh body that looks the same/image as our "angel" body . When the flesh dies, we still the only have our angel body. We are the same person.

A "body" is just a vessel that contains our mind or spirit.

Or angel body is what God called us and it is supernatural material dna ... our flesh body is of flesh organic minerals etc.

An "angel" is just a person in their supernatural body
Elohim is God and the angels/ children. He called us angels in that 1st body.. We are His children.

What Bible has these ideas which you posted???

 

[Magdala]

If you are convinced in your mind then so be it.

If I'm just convincing myself that Jesus said He's God, then try and explain how, in the following scene (Jn. 8:58-59), Jesus isn't stating that He's God, and why His answer made the Pharisees attempt to stone Him?

Moses said to God that the children of Israel will ask the name of the one who sent him, then asked what name shall he tell them: Καὶ εἶπεν ὁ Θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν, λέγων, ἐγώ (I) εἰμι (exist) ὃ "Qu: καὶ εἶπεν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ἰσραὴλ, ὁ Ὧν 15 ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. Kal εἶπεν ὃ Θεὸς πάλιν πρὸς Μωυσῆν, οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς ᾿Ισραὴλ, Κύριος ὃ Θεὸς τῶν πατέρων ἡμῶν, Θεὸς ᾿Αβραὰμ, καὶ Θεὸς ᾿Ισαὰις, καὶ Θεὸς Ἰακὼβ, ἀπέσταλκέ με πρὸς ὑμᾶς: τοῦτό μου ἐστὶν ὄνομα αἰώ" (Septuagint, Ex. 3:14-15)

"And God spoke to Moses, saying, l AM THE BEING; and he said, Thus shall ye say to the children of Israel, THE BEING has sent me to you. And God said again to Moses, thus shalt thou say to the sons of Israel, the Lord God of our fathers, the God of Abraham, and God of Isaac, and God of Jacob, has sent me to you: this is My name for ever, and my memorial to generations of generations" (English translation from The Tanakh, Ex. 3:14-15).

Fast-forward to the scene of Jn. 8:57, the Pharisees ask Jesus, “You are not yet fifty years old! Have you seen Abraham?”, and He responds by claiming to be eternal and to have existed before Abraham, but more importantly, He called himself by the ancient title ascribed only to God Himself: "...πρὶν (before) Ἀβραὰμ (Abraham) γενέσθαι ἐγὼ (I) εἰμί (AM)" (Jn. 8:58). In response, the Pharisees "ἦραν (picked) οὖν λίθους (stones) ἵνα (to) βάλωσιν (throw) ἐπ' (at) αὐτόν (him): Ἰησοῦς δὲ ἐκρύβη καὶ ἐξῆλθεν ἐκ τοῦ ἱεροῦ" (Jn. 8:59) for speaking blasphemy that they considered worthy of death.

 

[face2face]

If I'm just convincing myself that Jesus said He's God

Yes a lot of this has gone on for centuries but now its time for the Original Gospel to be preached and known.

 

[David in NJ]

Where do you think we were BEFORE we were in a " flesh body"?

How is it that God "knew" Jeremiah BEFORE he was in the womb, and "knew" Esau and hated him while he was in the womb...Because God created us LONG ago, but not in flesh bodies at first.. He called us "angels" or stars as pet names .

There was a rebellion as people started going their own way and some followed Lucifer/ satan and God ended that time era , everyone was judged and He started this time era where all of us also have to take on a flesh body

Our 1st body is an "angel supernatural material body" .. our 2nd body is a flesh body that looks the same/image as our "angel" body . When the flesh dies, we still the only have our angel body. We are the same person.

A "body" is just a vessel that contains our mind or spirit.

Or angel body is what God called us and it is supernatural material dna ... our flesh body is of flesh organic minerals etc.

An "angel" is just a person in their supernatural body
Elohim is God and the angels/ children. He called us angels in that 1st body.. We are His children.

What Bible has these ideas which you posted???

God knew each one of us before we were born = HE created us!!!

 

[face2face]

What Bible has these ideas which you posted???

God knew each one of us before we were born = HE created us!!!

...as He did your Lord!

 

[David in NJ]

...as He did your Lord!

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

 

[face2face]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
All things were created through Him and for Him.
And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.
And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.

Logos became flesh

What type of Flesh David?
And why?
What did God do in that Flesh?

It's wonderful when you fully grasp His Victory!

F2F

 

[Keiw]

John 10: (Jesus speaking)
[11] “I am the good shepherd…”

Luke 18: (Jesus speaking)
[19] …”none is good, save one, that is, God.”

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus is Michael. God sent his best.

 

[David in NJ]

Logos became flesh

What type of Flesh David?
And why?
What did God do in that Flesh?

It's wonderful when you fully grasp His Victory!

F2F

You claim to have read the Bible and you claim to believe but then you deny the TRUTH that a child can SEE

FLEE from your religion just as i FLED from mine and knelt before my LORD and SAVIOR Jesus Christ to receive HIS Love & Mercy

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is Michael. God sent his best.

You claim to have read the Bible and you claim to believe but then you deny the TRUTH that a child can SEE

FLEE from your religion just as i FLED from mine and knelt before my LORD and SAVIOR Jesus Christ to receive HIS Love & Mercy

 

[face2face]

You claim to have read the Bible and you claim to believe but then you deny the TRUTH that a child can SEE

FLEE from your religion just as i FLED from mine and knelt before my LORD and SAVIOR Jesus Christ to receive HIS Love & Mercy

You cannot provide an answer, I get it

 

[David in NJ]

Jesus is Michael. God sent his best.

Michael is an angel = all the angels were created by the WORD that was God

Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke you!” - Jude 1:9