What will the 1000 year kingdom on earth Jesus reigns over look like.

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Please, do read and study your Bible and understand KJV Hebrews 12:29.
[29]For G1063 G2532 our G2257 God G2316 is a consuming G2654 fire. G4442
What happens if I'm from a minority whose language has not been translated?
What happens when the Mong Chinese can't read English....let alone the language of Mr King James?
What happens if I'm deaf and blind in Central Africa who has never heard of Mr King James?
 

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Please, do read and study your Bible and understand KJV Hebrews 12:29.
[29]For G1063 G2532 our G2257 God G2316 is a consuming G2654 fire. G4442


Jesus is not fire sent down from the Father. Jesus is already on the Earth when his Father sends fire down to kill satan's army. The fire comes from the Father and may be considered part of Him, but he remains in heaven while the fire is sent down. This happened in the OT as well but it wasn't a first, second or whatever type of coming of anyone. It's just fire, divine fire if you wish but fire not a person.
 

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Jesus is not fire sent down from the Father. Jesus is already on the Earth when his Father sends fire down to kill satan's army. The fire comes from the Father and may be considered part of Him, but he remains in heaven while the fire is sent down. This happened in the OT as well but it wasn't a first, second or whatever type of coming of anyone. It's just fire, divine fire if you wish but fire not a person.
Please show me in the NT. scriptures where Jesus, in His Eternal, Immortal being, touches this earth with his feet, upon His Glorious return in flaming fire.
Luke 17[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the day [all in 24 hours] "WHEN" the Son of man is REVEALED [suddenly appears from out of heaven].

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God's invisible heaven is NOT necessarily out near the planet Pluto, or beyond, but can be and is right here, whose origin is of and in a different dimension. He will suddenly appear visually, in all His Fiery Glory, in "the twinkling of an eye", just as one "flips" a light bulb on.
 
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What happens if I'm from a minority whose language has not been translated?
What happens when the Mong Chinese can't read English....let alone the language of Mr King James?
What happens if I'm deaf and blind in Central Africa who has never heard of Mr King James?
If such people are born again of the Holy Spirit, that Spirit of Truth within them, will see to it that they will be taught by that Spirit of Truth, using every means possible to help them to learn and grow in "the HIDDEN Wisdom of God".
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1 John 2
[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
 

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If you mean the NT, it is because God made all His promises to Israel in the old to be fulfilled at a future date and the promises to the church are made in the new which are to be fulfilled at a later date as far as prophetic promises go.
Nah, that's Messianic Judaism above, not Christianity. The SAME prophesies for God's Israel are the SAME prophesies for Christ's Church.

What is truly sickening, is how many of today's Jews think just being born a Jew makes their Salvation guaranteed, just because of God's Old Testament promises to FAITHFUL Israel who also inherit believing Gentiles. That means ALL those 'in Christ Jesus' that believe on Jesus Christ as GOD The Savior are the TRUE ISRAEL of GOD! And that means CHRIST'S CHURCH! So that includes believing Gentiles too, just as Apostle Paul showed in Galatians 3 and Romans 4.

The Millennial Chapters in Ezekiel 40 thru 47 about Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect reveals the rebellious Jews that went astray will be given menial duties outside the Millennial sanctuary, which no doubt means cleaning out the potty bowls. They won't be allowed to approach Christ at His table.

And what is even more... sickening, is how many of the Jews of Old Testament history mixed in with the Canaanites, taking wives of them, which was against God's commandment! (Ezra 9). So really today, lot of Jews aren't even truly of the bloodline tribe of Judah, where that title of Jew originates. And many foreigners converted to Judaism back in Old Testament times, so those aren't true geneological Israelites either!
 
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So you're saying that the verse actually reads "...The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to you". :laughing:
No I am not. It was taken from that generation of Israel and given to another generation.

As Jesus declared in Matthew 12, it was that generation that faced judgment- not the nation for all time as was prophesied in the OT.
Explain how the chief priests and Pharisees would bring forth the fruits of the Kingdom of God taken from them.
Jesus did not take away the

fruits (which were no there) but the promise of the long awaited kingdom to that generation.
It is the Holy Nation of the Church of God.
We are not a nation and if you read Peter in its context- He is expressly speaking to Jewish believers. The church is a no nation people of God gathered from all nations. We are citizens of heaven with no promised kingdom on earth.
His Chosen People of His Everlasting New Covenant.

Jeremiah 31:31-36

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31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
 

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Q. Who did you think that the fire is that came DOWN from out of heaven", as shown in KJV Rev. 20:7-9
[7] And WHEN the [figurative] thousand years [of God's longsuffering] are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
[8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog [all the unsaved], to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
[9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the  CAMP of the [temporarily mortal] saints about, and the beloved city [that now is the church]: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

A. It is Jesus Who comes down, from out of heaven.
No that is some kind of fire from heaven.
Luke 17:28-30
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. [all In 24 hours, as witnessed by Abraham also in that day].
[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the day [all in 24 hours] "WHEN" the Son of man is REVEALED.
Sorry but this happens when Jesus returns at the end of teh 70th week of Daniel or after the 7 year tribulation. all his existing enemies are judged and sent to the place of torment awaiting the lake of fire.

Do you not know all the descriptions of the kingdom on earth as described in all the prophets?
 

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No I am not. It was taken from that generation of Israel and given to another generation.

As Jesus declared in Matthew 12, it was that generation that faced judgment- not the nation for all time as was prophesied in the OT.

Jesus did not take away the

fruits (which were no there) but the promise of the long awaited kingdom to that generation.

We are not a nation and if you read Peter in its context- He is expressly speaking to Jewish believers. The church is a no nation people of God gathered from all nations. We are citizens of heaven with no promised kingdom on earth.

Jeremiah 31:31-36​

King James Version​

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Let's keep this in focus of who Christ's church really consists of.

Since Pentecost, it is both Jew and Gentile, who have been "born again" of the Holy Spirit, having become "New Creatures" in Christ Jesus.
Therefore ALL OF SUCH ARE Spiritually, and quite literally, the TRUE body of Christ, His NEW NATION, called Saints.
1Peter 2
[9] But ye are a chosen generation [of people], a royal priesthood, an holy NATION, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Rom. 8:8-9.

Please see my post #339 in
 
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No that is some kind of fire from heaven.

Sorry but this happens when Jesus returns at the end of teh 70th week of Daniel or after the 7 year tribulation. all his existing enemies are judged and sent to the place of torment awaiting the lake of fire.

Do you not know all the descriptions of the kingdom on earth as described in all the prophets?
Do you know that except for Jesus Himself, all promises to Israel as a nation, were made to be null and void, when they rejected THEIR Messiah/Savior, and crucified Him?
John 5
[39] Search the [0T.] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Luke 13
[35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate [void of God]: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see [perceive] me, UNTIL the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he [born again Chrstians] that cometh in the name of the Lord [as His "ambassadors"].

Luke 19
[41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city [Jerusalem], and wept over it,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but NOW they are hid from thine eyes.
 
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Jeremiah 31:31-36​

King James Version​

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
Fulfilled by the New Covenant/Testament in the Blood of Christ at Calvary.

Given by Him to, and received by, His Jewish disciples 2000 years ago.

Given by Him to, and received by, every Jew who has believed in Him ever since.

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
 
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We are not a nation and if you read Peter in its context- He is expressly speaking to Jewish believers.
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Whom to believe?

1. You
or
2. Peter

Who needs a hint? :laughing:

Peter is expressly speaking to the Church, as the descriptions he employs in 1 Peter 2:5 are associated exclusively with the Church,

Comprised of both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

And the "Ye" in 1 Peter 2:5 (i.e. the Church) is the same "ye" in 1 Peter 2:9 (i.e. the Church).

Peter is not a racist.

Nor can he be contorted into one.
 
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It was taken from that generation of Israel and given to another generation.
Given to this generation:

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The Church.
 
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Let's keep this in focus of who Christ's church really consists of.

Since Pentecost, it is both Jew and Gentile, who have been "born again" of the Holy Spirit, having become "New Creatures" in Christ Jesus.
Therefore ALL OF SUCH ARE Spiritually, and quite literally, the TRUE body of Christ, His NEW NATION, called Saints.
1Peter 2
[9] But ye are a chosen generation [of people], a royal priesthood, an holy NATION, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
Rom. 8:8-9.

Please see my post #339 in
That is all correct and I have no problem with what you say.

However Israel is still gods covenant people and He will fulfill His promises to Israel as He declared to them in the OT.

The church is a separate entity and has a differe3nt role to play in the millennium that Israel does.
 

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Do you know that except for Jesus Himself, all promises to Israel as a nation, were made to be null and void, when they rejected THEIR Messiah/Savior, and crucified Him?
John 5
[39] Search the [0T.] scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Luke 13
[35] Behold, your house is left unto you desolate [void of God]: and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see [perceive] me, UNTIL the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he [born again Chrstians] that cometh in the name of the Lord [as His "ambassadors"].

Luke 19
[41] And when he was come near, he beheld the city [Jerusalem], and wept over it,
[42] Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but NOW they are hid from thine eyes.
Pulling texts out of context is poor exegesis.

Paul in Romans 11 reminded us God is not through with the nation.

In Luke 13 you cite, Jesus shows the setting aside is temporary. That word you underlined "until" is big- for they will acknowledge Jesus. and Jesus meant see HIm again, not understand. the very fact that they will say Blessed is He.... shows they will have already acknowledged HIm

You also forget that Jesus did not correct teh apostles when they asked an important question:

Acts 1:6-7

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6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

If you read this as written, it says the return of the kingdom to Israel is in teh Fathers hand. It does not even imply that Israel has had the promise of the kingdom removed.

when god makes a prom,ise and does not add conditions to it like Israel ruling a kingdom on earth with Jesus sitting on teh throne of David-- it will happen!
 

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Pulling texts out of context is poor exegesis.

Paul in Romans 11 reminded us God is not through with the nation.

In Luke 13 you cite, Jesus shows the setting aside is temporary. That word you underlined "until" is big- for they will acknowledge Jesus. and Jesus meant see HIm again, not understand. the very fact that they will say Blessed is He.... shows they will have already acknowledged HIm

You also forget that Jesus did not correct teh apostles when they asked an important question:

Acts 1:6-7​

King James Version​

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

If you read this as written, it says the return of the kingdom to Israel is in teh Fathers hand. It does not even imply that Israel has had the promise of the kingdom removed.

when god makes a prom,ise and does not add conditions to it like Israel ruling a kingdom on earth with Jesus sitting on teh throne of David-- it will happen!
Oh, but God DID ADD one condition to ALL, to both Jews and Gentiles equally alike. In each generation forward, since Pentecost, all of such must put their faith and trust in the shed blood of Christ as the only atonement for their salvation. If in each generation, there be those who have not, THEY ARE LOST forever, with no second chances!!

Now, what you are NOT understanding is, the Lamb OF God, the sin bearer, who is Christ NOW, will be returning in all His Immortal Glory as King of kings, no longer being the "sin bearer".
Heb. 9
[28] So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
 
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Pulling texts out of context is poor exegesis.
Misinterpreting Scripture is excellent eisegesis.
Paul in Romans 11 reminded us God is not through with the nation.
The word "nation" does not appear in Romans 11, nor is there any reference to any future "nation of Israel" in the entire book of Romans.
In Luke 13 you cite, Jesus shows the setting aside is temporary. That word you underlined "until" is big- for they will acknowledge Jesus. and Jesus meant see HIm again, not understand. the very fact that they will say Blessed is He.... shows they will have already acknowledged HIm
That will not be confined to Jews or Israel. It will apply to every Jew and every Gentile.

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

But only the remnant of Israel will be saved.

Isaiah 10
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
You also forget that Jesus did not correct teh apostles when they asked an important question:
There is not a single reference to any future "kingdom of Israel" in the entirety of the remainder of NT Scripture.

The disciples had got the hint. :laughing:
 
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Oh, but God DID ADD one condition to ALL, to both Jews and Gentiles equally alike. In each generation forward, since Pentecost, all of such must put their faith and trust in the shed blood of Christ as the only atonement for their salvation. If in each generation, there be those who have not, THEY ARE LOST forever, with no second chances!!

Now, what you are NOT understanding is, the Lamb OF God, the sin bearer, who is Christ NOW, will be returning in all His Immortal Glory as King of kings, no longer being the "sin bearer".
Heb. 9
[28] So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many;
and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
I know both of these truths well!

I understand full well that when Jesus returns, He will not be the suffering Savior, but the Conquering King!.

And this happens prior to the 1000 year kingdom.
 

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Fulfilled by the New Covenant/Testament in the Blood of Christ at Calvary.

Given by Him to, and received by, His Jewish disciples 2000 years ago.

Given by Him to, and received by, every Jew who has believed in Him ever since.

Matthew 26
27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Jeremiah 31:31-36

King James Version

31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35 Thus saith the Lord, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The Lord of hosts is his name:
36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the Lord, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

So you are saying that all Jews have the law in their hearts and all of Israel is now His people.
So you are saying that all Jews no longer need to be taught for all know Him.
 

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1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Whom to believe?

1. You
or
2. Peter

Who needs a hint? :laughing:

Peter is expressly speaking to the Church, as the descriptions he employs in 1 Peter 2:5 are associated exclusively with the Church,

Comprised of both Jewish and Gentile Christians.

And the "Ye" in 1 Peter 2:5 (i.e. the Church) is the same "ye" in 1 Peter 2:9 (i.e. the Church).

Peter is not a racist.

Nor can he be contorted into one.
I believe Peter.

1 Peter 1

King James Version

1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,

He was writing to Jewish believers who were scattered due to the persecutions going on in Israel(remember Peter was the Apostle to the Jews)

Given to this generation:

1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

The Church.
The church is not a priesthood and is not called so anywhere in the NT (we will exempt this passage cuz it is contest)

But belieivng Israel was called a priesthood, a holy nation, a peculiar people, a chosen people etc. Remember context matters.
 

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Misinterpreting Scripture is excellent eisegesis.
no it is lousy eisegesis as well. Which is why I avoid it with a passion.
The word "nation" does not appear in Romans 11, nor is there any reference to any future "nation of Israel" in the entire book of Romans.
WOW! talk about straining at gnats to swallow a camel. Nation means people and Paul said all Israel ALL Israel will be saved because of their election.
That will not be confined to Jews or Israel. It will apply to every Jew and every Gentile.

Philippians 2
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

But only the remnant of Israel will be saved.

Isaiah 10
22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.

Romans 9
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Well in the gospel it is specifically addressed to Israel. so the nation will declare Blessed is He..... This is a different proclamation from Phil 2 as you can see!

And yes only a remnant, but in the tribulation 2/3 of Israel will be killed and the 1/3 (the remnant) will be saved!

Zechariah 13:8-9

King James Version

8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

Ezekiel 20:33-38

King James Version

33 As I live, saith the Lord God, surely with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out, will I rule over you:
34 And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries wherein ye are scattered, with a mighty hand, and with a stretched out arm, and with fury poured out.
35 And I will bring you into the wilderness of the people, and there will I plead with you face to face.
36 Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt, so will I plead with you, saith the Lord God.
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

These will come to pass!