Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Johann]

Not at all. "throne O god" is short hand for OF God. Jesus has a God, who has a throne. Doesn't mean Jesus is God. Also, try reading the verses leading up to v 8, which further destroy the trinity idol as it says there has finally come a day with the boy, today, becomes his son. Profound.

This is your short hand-not the Bible @Wrangler

"Unto the Son he saith"

"Unto the Son"

Prepositional phrase: "unto" (preposition) + "the Son" (noun, object of the preposition).
This phrase identifies the recipient of the address.

"he saith"
Verb phrase: "he" (subject, pronoun referring to God) + "saith" (finite verb in the active voice, simple present tense).
Establishes the action of speaking by the subject (God).

2. "Thy throne, O God"
"Thy throne"

Noun phrase: "Thy" (possessive pronoun modifying "throne") + "throne" (noun, subject of the clause).

Indicates the subject as the throne belonging to the addressed party.

"O God"
Vocative phrase: "O" (vocative particle) + "God" (noun in the vocative case).

Direct address to the one being spoken to, emphasizing the divine nature of the Son.

3. "Is for ever and ever"

"Is"
Linking verb connecting the subject ("Thy throne") to its predicate ("for ever and ever").

"For ever and ever"
Prepositional phrase: "for" (preposition) + "ever and ever" (adverbial phrase, modifying the verb "is").

Denotes the eternal duration of the throne, emphasizing its permanence.

Believe the Scripture.

J.

 

[Taken]

Not at all. "throne O god" is short hand for OF God. Jesus has a God, who has a throne. Doesn't mean Jesus is God. Also, try reading the verses leading up to v 8, which further destroy the trinity idol as it says there has finally come a day with the boy, today, becomes his son. Profound.

Kings have a King.
Presidents have a President
God has a God.

Each are vested in their own Limited Seat of Authority.. of What they Promise to Do and Not Do.

 

[Wrangler]

God has a God.

No. The only God of the Bible, YHWH, the father is God and does not have a God. See 1st Commandment.

 

[Traveler]

This is now getting ridiculous. Go to the Bible, new testament, Open any of the letters that come after the 4 gospels and look at the opening greetings, in fact do it for all of them, in every case there is a clear distinction made between Father God and Jesus. The religiosity associated with this Jesus is God doctrine is so savier that it points to a demonic influence being used to push it. If the kingdom of satan wants it then it can only be bad.

 

[Keiw]

You debate Gods Word with God…

Heb 1:
[8] …unto the Son he (God)….saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever…

Glory to God,
Taken

That is Catholicism translating error to fit false council teachings. Not all translations have that the way you showed.

 

[Taken]

No. The only God of the Bible, YHWH, the father is God and does not have a God. See 1st Commandment.

No other Gods…He is His own God…
He is Good. His Doctrine IS Good and Righteous and Just.

You don’t understand LIMITS…
And WHY He is His OWN God…
BECAUSE He HAS LIMITS of what He CAN NOT Do!

He IS Limited by His OWN Doctrine.

 

[Wrangler]

No other Gods…He is His own God…

Yet, Jesus is NOT his own God. YHWH is his own God.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Vocative phrase: "O" (vocative particle) + "God" (noun in the vocative case).

Two onamata that are nominative and appositive to the word θρονος. Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ θεός.

 

[Taken]

That is Catholicism translating error to fit false council teachings. Not all translations have that the way you showed.

I did not quote Catholic teaching.

 

[Taken]

Yet, Jesus is NOT his own God. YHWH is his own God.

I already said God is His own God.

God created and made or “makes” nothing …
without His Word.
without His Power.

God sent His Word to Earth…in the “LIKENESS / (Look / Appearance ) “AS” human men, Throughout 4,000 years.

After 4,000 years of manKIND’s existence…

God Sent His Word Again TO Earth…in the “LIKENESS AS” a human man…and Foretold…
God IN Heaven would BE “A” Father to Him
And He would on Earth, Be To God In Heaven “A” Son to God.

30 years after He arrived ON Earth…
God in Heaven fulfilled His Promise, and “Declared” Jesus to Be “His Son.”

Nearing the 33 year mark…God further “Revealed”,.. Jesus IS the Christ..(power, wisdom, Seed) of God.

Gods Word and Power…has forever been God… before anything was Created or Made.

Read here…
Gen 1: (what God Did…and when)
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1: (How God created)
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit (Power)of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] And God said.. (spoke His Word..

And After creating….Then God MADE “His Creations…have Attributes”…seeds would grow, reproduce, Created humans would, become MADE living , etc.

Then God “rested” from all His Works of “Creating and Making” “Very Good” and Satisfactory Things.

Gen 2:
[2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
[3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Bummer….over a course of days…Gods Very Good Creations and Makings became Corrupt.

Bummer over a course of years..Gods creations and makings became astronomically Corrupt…in that God destroyed all humans but 8 Faithful.

And nothing new.. another world Wide Destruction shall Again occur…with Again…only small portion of the Faithful shall (like the previous 8) be raised up above the Earth…when God Again Sends down From Heaven, His Destruction…

By, Through, Of and Because of Gods Grace… He sent His Word and Power To Earth….to Continue Gods WORK Offering A (Re-Making to willing Humans…that which have become corrupt …
Who but the creator and maker Himself.. can “Restore …Re-Make Gods Creations”… regardless by what Name God Declares?

Regarding God…Additional Names, Titles, Description, Attributes…have simply been “Revealed and Declared” over the course of 6,000 years.

And BTW…(human men on the bottom rung of power stroke….have done exactly the same thing…regarding, one individual human…having multiple names, titles descriptions, attributes).

God Named His Word……….Jesus
God Titled His Word……….…Truth
God Titled His Power………...Christ
God Revealed His Power ....IS His Word

Gods Word…Power…Light…Wisdom…

Just saying…not mysterious.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

God created and made or “makes” nothing …
without His Word.
without His Power.

Attributes of a person, even the Supreme Being, aren’t another person.

 

[Keiw]

I did not quote Catholic teaching.

All trinity translations came out of Catholicism translating.

 

[Taken]

Attributes of a person, even the Supreme Being, aren’t another person.

Individual human beings.. are wholly…body, soul, spirit…(their word, their thoughts (mind or heart)…is he/she.

No different for God…His body, soul, spirit, word, thoughts …is He.

God ( by His Power) can appear in the Likeness…AS a human..

Humans (by wardrobe, limited surgeries, implants, tattoos) can appear in the Likeness… AS an opposite Gender or Animal)…
And like God…humans Never Change their true identity….God does not procreate…(rather “establishes”…with His Seed…not fertilizes with His seed, as humans Do.


Men pretending to be A Female, changing their name, pronouns, never grow wider hips, grow ovaries, grow a womb, milk glands or grow a babe inside of them or deliver an offspring.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

No different for God…His body, soul, spirit, word, thoughts …is He.

God has no body. At least your litany of what attributes make up God exceed 3. LOL

 

[Taken]

All trinity translations came out of Catholicism translating.

From many posts on this forum…seems Calvin is accredited with his input….

Catholics have their “teaching charts/ sketch”…
Who…Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS God…
With their addition…of what you preach…
Father IS not…Son IS not…Holy Spirit…IS Not…

(I don’t subscribe to their Teaching)…

Are you a Catholic?

 

[Taken]

God has no body. At least your litany of what attributes make up God exceed 3. LOL

I believe God HAS AN “invisible to Humans)…Body…head, arms, hands, legs, feet…as Scripture mentions.For example…
(Recall the “right HAND of God”?)

And Noting Scripture…per Jesus…being equal to Gods invisible Body…(ie Form)

Phil 2:
[5] Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
[6] Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Keiw]

From many posts on this forum…seems Calvin is accredited with his input….

Catholics have their “teaching charts/ sketch”…
Who…Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS God…
With their addition…of what you preach…
Father IS not…Son IS not…Holy Spirit…IS Not…

(I don’t subscribe to their Teaching)…

Are you a Catholic?

Never would i be a Catholic. The only translating that remained when the protestants translated was Catholicism translating of the NT. The Codex sinacticus, and Latin Vulgate-both Catholicism translating done in the 4th century. Write ups say Constantine stole the Sinacticus and altered it. Probably to fit the false trinity god created at the council he headed in 381 CE where for the first time ever the holy spirit was added to a godhead= recorded history. And write ups say Jerome translated the Vulgate from an already corrupted Latin translation.

 

[Taken]

Never would i be a Catholic. The only translating that remained when the protestants translated was Catholicism translating of the NT. The Codex sinacticus, and Latin Vulgate-both Catholicism translating done in the 4th century. Write ups say Constantine stole the Sinacticus and altered it. Probably to fit the false trinity god created at the council he headed in 381 CE where for the first time ever the holy spirit was added to a godhead= recorded history. And write ups say Jerome translated the Vulgate from an already corrupted Latin translation.

Perhaps…they actually READ, rather than being told (Catholic historical way)…what to Believe…

Gods Word, Gods Spirit …have come forth from God…since the Beginning.

Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] God said…

4,000 years later…
God reveals the NAME of His Word…
JESUS
God reveals the Title of His Spirit (power)…
CHRIST

John 14:
[11] Believe me (Jesus) that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:

Who is IN God, but God Himself?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Keiw]

Perhaps…they actually READ, rather than being told (Catholic historical way)…what to Believe…

Gods Word, Gods Spirit …have come forth from God…since the Beginning.

Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
[2] And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
[3] God said…

4,000 years later…
God reveals the NAME of His Word…
JESUS
God reveals the Title of His Spirit (power)…
CHRIST

John 14:
[11] Believe me (Jesus) that I am in the Father, and the Father in me:

Who is IN God, but God Himself?

Glory to God,
Taken

You twist Jesus words. Try believing him instead--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Because all know 100% God does not have a God.

 

[Taken]

You twist Jesus words. Try believing him instead--John 20:17, Rev 3:12--Because all know 100% God does not have a God.

@Keiw - Rather than gaslighting, you would benefit from Learning, Trusting and Submitting to Gods Truth.
Stop leading People astray!

God said…

Ex 3:
[14] And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Deut. 32:
[39] See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Isa 41:
[4] Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isa 43:
[25] I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.

Isa 48:
[12] Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Jesus said…

John 5:
[39] Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Luke 18:
[19] And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.

John 10:
[11] I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
[14] I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

John 9:
[9] Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

John 10:
i and my father are one.

John 8:
[24] I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

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John 1:
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[2] The same was in the beginning with God.
[3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.



Glory to God,
Taken