Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Taken]

It’s the abandonment of logic to suppose such a scenario where Sovereign will is dispersed.

There is not one verse that indicates God The Father, YHWH, prays to anyone or submits to the will of anyone.

You purpose Too often …that Logic is the path to understanding Spiritual Things.

Logic is the result of a Carnal minded conclusion of that which “makes” sense.

Nothing about Believing in an Invisible God, you can not see, hear, smell, taste, touch, feel….Makes Carnal Minded Logical SENSE!

And WHY …illusionaists..who trick a human to see something appear or disappear….are left bewildered! It MAkes no logical sense to their Carnal Mind.

And WHY…God Himself declares the Carnal Mind Against Him, incapable of understanding Spiritual Things. And…
“NOT” the method to rely on…
Regarding…
Establishing a Relationship WITH God…or Understanding Him.

And WHY…they who preach reliance on The Logic of the Carnal Mind regarding a Spiritual God…is quickly dismissed, being moot.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[CadyandZoe]

You purpose Too often …that Logic is the path to understanding Spiritual Things.

Logic is the result of a Carnal minded conclusion of that which “makes” sense.

That is not true. Without logic, one can not write a post, let alone argue against logic.

Nothing about Believing in an Invisible God, you can not see, hear, smell, taste, touch, feel….Makes Carnal Minded Logical SENSE!

That is not true. Your statement takes Paul's discourse farther than he intended.

In Romans, Paul argued that one can know about God by observation. As such, those among the human race who practice idolatry and suppress the knowledge of the one, true God are evil, unrighteous, blameworthy, and without excuse. Why? Because knowledge about God is evident from what has been made.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

Paul clearly and unambiguously argued that, indeed, the natural mind is capable of knowing God.

Some Christians misconstrue Paul's argument in 1 Corinthians chapter 2 to mean something he didn't intend to say. Paul is not repudiating reason and/or logic. Rather, he contrasts Reason with Revelation.

Reason: This refers to the use of logical thinking and analytical processes to arrive at conclusions. It’s more abstract and objective compared to experience. Reason relies on evidence, principles, and argumentation. For example, using deductive reasoning to solve a mathematical problem or logical puzzle.​

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Revelation: This is knowledge or insight that is believed to be given by a divine source or higher power. It's often considered supernatural and beyond ordinary human experience and reasoning. Religious texts, prophetic visions, or spiritual epiphanies are examples of revelation.​

Just because Revelation is beyond ordinary human experience and reasoning, it doesn't follow that one must abandon reason and logic to understand the message. Speaking of his own access to knowledge about God, he argues that he has a divine source for what he knows about God's will for mankind, but he delivers his message using ordinary human language.

In other words, Paul is NOT comparing Rationality with Divine Revelation; rather, he is comparing rational speculation with Divine Revelation.

 

[Keiw]

Uh… consider this tidbit..
God “purposed” in a Few Hebrews to hear, believe and Teach other Human Hebrews Gods Word ..
(Commonly called Prophets)…

Eh…troubles from the get go…common men Trying to Believe…
What they could NOT…
See, hear, smell, taste, touch…
Bummer!

Gods “solution”…
God will use His Prophets…to FORETELL men What God SHALL Do….Before He Does it…Then see IF common men can Believe His Works and Believe in God.

Okay…oops… not good enough…How So?
Uh…(Men living astronomical Decades)….and they Having TO WAIT…forty, fifty + years TO SEE….a Prophecy come into fruition.

Sheesh…!!
Okay y’all stubborn, short-sighted, stiffed necked men…

Gods gives a Prophecy.. and within a few short years…the Prophecy comes to Pass …
So how about NOW….can y’all Trust to Believe IN God?

Well…um…but look at…the Gentiles…how They who DO NOT Believe …Work their Angles And PROSPER …

Gentiles….hum…Have a close Look…See WHO among them are PROSPERING…and WHO is the majority of forced Servants….maids cooks, seamstresses. sex objects, soilders, metal forgers, builders, etc.

So moving Along…From Prophets…To God establishing an Exclusive group of People…offsprings of the Hebrews…
*Appointing Them… A King.
(like Gentiles have kings)
*Appointing them LAND.
*Appointing each LAND a governor of sorts
*Appointing them a group To Hear, Write Distribute, to All the Land holding Groups… a LIKE Doctrine For all those in the Lands To likewise adhere to, and help one another.
(Commonly called the 12 Sons of Jacob ( ie as Governors so to Speak).
And Each “Group) collectively called the Tribes of ISRAEL,,, (with the Tribof LEVI, not being appointed LAND….rather…He, his people, the listeners of Gods Word, the Recorders, Writers, Copiers, and Distributers.)

Meantime…Levi’s works, traveling, slow, tedious….the Tribsmen…have NOT lost their Interest IN them SEEING The “seemingly” quickly Prospering Gentiles…
….AND Gentile Kings…ways had routinely BEEN… More LAND…equals MORE Wealth, More Power, More Status…More Comfort…!
Nothing new!

…And there you have it…Gentiles invading…ISRAELS LANDS with Soldiers….AND….where is the Israelites Power House Of Soldiers?
…One Invisible GOD…They “are” slowly “learning ABOUT…little by little.”

So now What…??
God gave the Hebrews a king out of their own as they wanted…they just didn’t GET (because they Could Not SEE, God was their Power/House SOLDIER….rather they saw…thousands of Gentile men with weapons of Iron…poised and able for a slaughter of their men, women, children.

I can not say Who has or has not Paid attention To Gods Creation, Making, Design, Intents, Interventions….
However what ONE who does read, study…
Should be going Step by Step..of HOW and WHAT God, Has Anciently, Historically, and modernly, (past 2,000 Years)… Given and TO WHOM…and FOR WHAT.

Nothing from the Beginning HA Changed Regarding GODS Desire….
Being THAT created MEN… Will Willingly Choose to Hear, Trust, Believe Gods Word…and Willing MAKE their Choice To BELIEVE and TRUST In God.[/]

So what’s the TID-BIT ???

Prophets…humans failed.
Kings….….humans failed.
Tribes…..…humans failed.
Gentiles….humans failed.


A short Revealing IN Scripture….

Eph 1:
[9] Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

Gods Word IS God…as much as your word is you.

Gods Power is God …as much as your power is you.

Gods Wisdom is God…as much as your wisdom is you.

If you want to call your word “truth”...
And want to call your power “bicepts”…
And call your wisdom “great”…
And call your habitat “keiw’s place”…

Your prerogative ….Same as it is For God to call what is He…per His Perogative.

Gods Word…God called…a NAME Above ALL others…Jesus.

Gods Light (Power) God called…Jesus…and Titled THE CHRIST.

Gods SEED, God called The Christ.

Gods WISDOM, God called by the Title CHRIST.

Gods KING of kingdAnd LORD of lords God called …Jesus…

Are you getting it Yet?

Father God, Son of God…are Not multiples, duplicates OF God, but IS God who (like men have multiple names, titles, things they accomplish while Fulfilling the Role of a CEO, an Employer, A Husband, A daddy, A Brother,
A neighbor, A toilet fixer, A teacher, A counselor….etc.
One Same MAN, effecting the “lives” of numerous Different people, In Different capacities)…

The SAME applies To the ONE Holy, without Begining or Ending, Creator and Maker…
The Lord God Almighty….

And Jesus Confirmed…

John 10:
[30] I and my father are one.

Jesus emphasized for men to believe Him…

John 14:
[11] Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Yours….any human mans perogative to hear, learn, trust, believe….or not.

Glory to God,
Taken

They are one in purpose--Jesus lives 24/7-365 to do his God and Fathers will. As do the true followers( Matt 7:21) its how we become one with them= in purpose.
Jesus is called king of kings and lord of lords-Why? Because his God and Father appointed him to a kingship and gave him all authority and judging. Only one greater can give those things Why? Because God has all of them already. Jesus did not have them until God gave them to him.

 

[Traveler]

This has gone on long enough, Jesus and God are two separate persons. Jesus is in submission to God and God is lifting up Jesus as the way his creation can come before him. If this is not understood then all else falls away .

 

[Taken]

That is not true. Without logic, one can not write a post, let alone argue against logic.



That is not true. Your statement takes Paul's discourse farther than he intended.

Disagree.

Romans 1:
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Making a post, typing letters, on this Forum does not require a mans Spiritual thoughts.

Spiritual Thoughts are a mans Portal…Way…to communicate WITH God….And certainly any time a man Is “speaking “ as a Representative Servant of God…(which is more rare than common on forums, blogs, etc.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

They are one in purpose--Jesus lives 24/7-365 to do his God and Fathers will. As do the true followers( Matt 7:21) its how we become one with them= in purpose.
Jesus is called king of kings and lord of lords-Why? Because his God and Father appointed him to a kingship and gave him all authority and judging. Only one greater can give those things Why? Because God has all of them already. Jesus did not have them until God gave them to him.

And ARE your Thoughts and your Words merely one in purpose? But not YOU?

 

[Wrangler]

Logic is the result of a Carnal minded conclusion of that which “makes” sense.

If logic is invalid, there is still no reason to subscribe to the trinity.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Disagree.

Romans 1:
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Contrary to your translation, which interprets the Apostle as discussing the carnal mind, the Apostle actually addresses topics related to what we should set our minds on: spirit instead of flesh. Specifically, the matter at hand is our standpoint with respect to the Law of God.

Romans 8:6-8 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so, and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

mind set on the flesh . . . mind set on the Spirit . . . subject itself to the law of God

9 However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.

Paul is comparing two different standpoints with respect to the Law of God. Either someone is focused on the works of the Law -- the flesh -- or a person is focused on the implications of the Law -- the spirit. We understand from other passages that a person who is focused on the flesh is focused on two major issues: pedigree and performance. Am I a Jew and do I obey the Law? The person who is focused on the spirit is focused on the law and what it reveals about the inner man.

Even so, Paul never says that a person's intellect or mind is inadequate to understand what the Law says or means. He often quotes scripture in his defense of the Gospel, expecting that anyone willing to hear the truth will be convicted and repent. The New Testament doesn't argue that we have minds that are inadequate to the task; it argues that we are often unwilling what we understand to be true. Unbelief is a matter of the will, not a matter of the intellect.

Making a post, typing letters, on this Forum does not require a mans Spiritual thoughts.

I agree and that is my point.

 

[Taken]

If logic is invalid, there is still no reason to subscribe to the trinity.

You, as well as I have FREEWILL…that we can believe or reject whatever we each decide.

Deut 6:
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matt 12:
[30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

John 10:
[30]I and my father are one.

I elect to Do the Work of God..ie…(Jn 6:29)
Believe IN the ONE God sent…
The LORD is my God…
The Lord is my God…
Their Spirit IS One…called CHRIST / Power.
They ARE One Lord God Almighty…my God.

My FREEWILL election…and ONCE and Forever accepted His Gift of eternal Life.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I agree and that is my point.

Thank you.
Happy new year and May The Lord God Bless you and yours.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Keiw]

You, as well as I have FREEWILL…that we can believe or reject whatever we each decide.

Deut 6:
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

Matt 12:
[30] And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.

John 10:
[30]I and my father are one.

I elect to Do the Work of God..ie…(Jn 6:29)
Believe IN the ONE God sent…
The LORD is my God…
The Lord is my God…
Their Spirit IS One…called CHRIST / Power.
They ARE One Lord God Almighty…my God.

My FREEWILL election…and ONCE and Forever accepted His Gift of eternal Life.

Glory to God,
Taken

Except Jesus has a God= his Father--The Father does not have a God.

 

[Triumph1300]

O.P: -Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God-​

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Not only did He claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God.

He said He has the authority to judge the nations (Matthew 25:31-46).

He claims the authority to raise people from the dead (John 5:25-29) and to forgive sins (Mark 2:5-7) things only God can do (1 Samuel 2:6; Isaiah 43:25).

 

[Wrangler]

Not only did He claim to be God, but He also claimed to have the power of God.

He said He has the authority to judge the nations

He never claimed to be God. Never saw the vid detailing how he denied it every time?

and claiming authority to judge does not mean one is the Creator.

 

[Taken]

Except Jesus has a God= his Father--The Father does not have a God.

@Wrangler

Disagree.
No Exception.

The Son, Father, Holy Spirit…

ARE:
US, Our…God..

Gen 1:
[26] And God said, Let us make man in our image…

ARE: HE

Isa 41:
[4] …I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

John 9:
[9] …he said, I am he.


IS He

Mark 12:
[29] And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Was, Is, Is to come…

Rev 4:
…
Holy, holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
which was, and is, and is to come.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

He never claimed to be God. Never saw the vid detailing how he denied it every time?

and claiming authority to judge does not mean one is the Creator.

Jesus did not “in your words” claim…
“I am God”…

Jesus did repeatedly Claim…
The SAME “attributes” that ONLY applies TO God.

*Others “WITH” Understanding…repeatedly Claimed Attributes THAT ONLY applies To God….APPLIES TO JESUS….
And ???

*Jesus “NEVER” corrected them, saying they were wrong…

*Rather Jesus “BLESSED them “ For speaking The TRUTH About Jesus”!

Good
Sinless
Truth
All knowing
Forgiver of Sins
Came out of God
Remained IN God
Healer
Savior
Power
On and on…that ONLY Applies TO God…Applies TO Jesus, Whom God Gave A Name ABOVE all Names…

Did you overlook lesson after lesson (of the Mysteries of God being Revealed)…That These Things Apply To JESUS ??

Did you miss the lesson..humans come From out of The Earth…not God, as Did Jesus.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler

Disagree.
No Exception

Disagreeing is not an argument. @Keiw wrote “Except Jesus has a God= his Father--The Father does not have a God.”

This is fact. Jesus said he has a God and it is demonstrable that the Father has no God.

 

[Taken]

Disagreeing is not an argument. @Keiw wrote “Except Jesus has a God= his Father--The Father does not have a God.”

This is fact. Jesus said he has a God and it is demonstrable that the Father has no God.

The Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS:
The Lord God Almighty.

He is His own God.
The Lord God Almighty IS His OWN counselor.

He set HIS OWN Limits of What HE can and CAN NOT DO.

He Created…and He MADE…all things Good…

and He Re-Restores…Re-Makes…What manKIND has “corrupted”…..”even”…any “willing”…manKIND of Corrupt Being.

It matters NOT, if you believe, know, understand…WHO the Whole of God IS…

However IT DOES matter (for you) IF you speak Against Gods Word…or Persecute (stand Against) those WITH The Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

The Father, Son, Holy Spirit IS:
The Lord God Almighty.

What verse says this?

 

[Taken]

What verse says this?

Wrangler this is not Kindergarten… whereby adults speak to little children according to the limits of little children’s words.

Adults on this forum…Wondering, Doubting, Denying…have been given Umpteen Scriptures…Revealing WHO…
The Lord God Almighty WAS and IS.

No one can Believe or Understand For You.

The LORD IS God.
The Creator IS God.
The Maker IS God.
The LORDS Word IS God
The LORDS Power IS God.
The LORD of lords IS God.
The Forgiver of Sin IS God..
The Restorer IS God.
The Savior IS God.
The Destroyer IS God.

The God prepared BODY in the Likeness “AS” a Jewish human man…”WAS” God Fulfilling HIS Promise TO ISRAEL….and GOD Offering “Salvation”…
To ALL men, WHO are Freely Willing to Believe, He IS God.

The Name above All Names IS God.

The Father, The Son, The Spirit/Power of God …IS The Holy, Holy, Holy Lord God Almighty.

There iS None “beside”…Him…
ONLY HE IN The Whole of Him IS He; IS God.

Jesus (Gods Word) came forth out from God….Yet Remained IN God…because that which is IN the Whole of God IS God.

You have to wonder WHY…you neglect to TRUST the Scriptures That Inform you…
Jesus Was God Face to Face with Jewish men…IN a Body God “prepared” for Himself…to reign IN His People that were LOST, (taking unto themselves false gods, as was the way of the Gentiles.)

Do you NOT comprehend…EVERY human, that which Freely Chooses To Believe, Trust and Submit their Lives Unto The WHOLE of The Lord God Almighty…
Becomes…Gods Restored and Made Perfected “Inheritance”?

They ARE …”NOTSubject TO Wrath or Tribulations (to be) Sent Down from Heaven or Eternal Destruction.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Wrangler this is not Kindergarten… whereby adults speak to little children according to the limits of little children’s words.

Appeal to Strawman. You speak religion contrary to Jesus and the prophets and Apostles of Scripture.

Given that the Bible is the authoritative words of God, it is a supremely reasonable question to ask what verse teach what you teach. I’d be embarrassed to have to tacitly admit everything I say contradicts God’s words.