Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[amigo de christo]

The second-best thing is to confuse them with details which aren't important. Like the trinity doctrine.

you know what i notice . that people in both camps have in common . THEY in MASS number
are all headed right into the glue of anti christ , the message of interfaith and satans finding common ground .
The judge nots led the church to this as leaven more and more filled them places up . TILL ALL were ready in time
TO BELIEVE THE LIE , the very LIE that interfaith is leading and shall lead them all to BELIEVE.
i shun intefaith doctrine to hell if i could . not the people but the DOCTRINE . i dont heed anti christ or his anti christs and their fake
love message that aint LOVE and IT AINT OF GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

The second-best thing is to confuse them with details which aren't important. Like the trinity doctrine.

I made my choice . the question is mono , what should society do to men like me
who will never conform to this lie of interfaith .
I know where its leading them and they will surely believe , in time , when men like me are rounded up
they DO the will of GOD for the safety and peace of their beloved mutter earth and false god .
This lamb WONT budge and shant conform , for i had rather be dead long before i even compromise
A WORD OF GOD and HIS GOSPEL . do understand that means you dealing with a man
that is of the mindset HE HAD SOONER DIE . that means that man WONT BE BOUGHT and that means
GOVT ALL MIGHTY aint gonna tolerate such a creature , nor will its false unifed love religoin of anti christ whom they
shall surely serve .
However i am interested to hear from you how you personally feel about such men as me .
Feel free to speak your mind , i dont habor ill will towards any , not even those who hate me .

 

[Magdala]

Being and person are synonyms. Trinitarian logic is to assert God is a 3-person person.

You say that the Holy Trinity doctrine is three separate gods, but trinitarians do not. The words "being" and "person" can be used interchangeably in many contexts, but they are not completely synonymous.

Essence
The being of God, or what God is. The word "essence" comes from the Latin "esse", meaning "to be", so "one essence" means "one being".

Person
The mode of existence of God, or who God is. The term "person" comes from the Latin "persona", which has multiple meanings, including mask, role of an actor, and self-existence.

• One God: God is one being in Essence
  
  
• Three Persons: God is Three distinct Persons (the Father, the Word (Son), and the Holy Spirit)
  
  
• United as one: The Three Persons are united as one in Essence

The Father, the Word (the Son), and the Holy Spirit are not three separate gods with three different essences, but rather Three distinct Persons, each working differently and yet not working in a contrary fashion, united as one because They are the same Essence: love, and equal in all respects as regards Divinity, Eternity, Immensity, and Omnipotence, but not confused in relation to one another, but, rather, quite distinct, and One is not the Other, and yet there are not three gods, but a single God, Who in and of Himself has given being to the individual Divine Persons in generating the Son and, by that very act, originating the procession of the Holy Spirit.

What day were the Angels created?

Did you mean to ask me that, because the question of mine that you're replying to is me asking where in Gen. 1:26 is it implied that God is addressing the angels, and your question isn't an answer to what I asked?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

It's not automatic that a person goes to hell just because they say they believe in Jesus only such as the united pentecostals denomination.

Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?

1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26
God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

 

[Wrangler]

Did you mean to ask me that, because the question of mine that you're replying to is me asking where in Gen. 1:26 is it implied that God is addressing the angels, and your question isn't an answer to what I asked?

Yes.

 

[Magdala]

Yes.

Well, the question of mine that you're replying to is me asking where in Gen. 1:26 is it implied that God is addressing the angels, and your question to me asking when the angels were created isn't an answer to what I asked.

 

[Wrangler]

Ok then, well, the question of mine that you're replying to is me asking where in Gen. 1:26 is it implied that God is addressing the angels, and your question to me asking when the angels were created isn't an answer to what I asked...

I am asking the question. The answer is the answer to your question.

 

[Magdala]

I am asking the question. The answer is the answer to your question.

How so?

 

[Wrangler]

How so?

Stop avoiding the answer. What day were the Angels created?

 

[Johann]

Stop avoiding the answer. What day were the Angels created?

The answer is in Job.

J.

 

[Magdala]

Stop avoiding the answer. What day were the Angels created?

You don't need me to answer that question first in order to make your point with it.

 

[Wrangler]

You don't need me to answer that question first in order to make your point with it.

Your refusal to answer my questions make the point; the trinity is not in the Bible. Supposing so is a house of cards that simple questions cause the trinity IDOL to collapse.

 

[Magdala]

Your refusal to answer my questions make the point; the trinity is not in the Bible.

I don't need to answer your question "What day were the angels created?", because it's you who asserts that the answer to it answers the question that I asked (post #666). So, if you're not going to make your point with it, then why did you respond?

 

[Wrangler]

So, if you're not going to make your point with it,

I did make the point. And you going on and on how I did not make the point is hilarious. So, what day where the Angels created?

It is a simple question. Surely, someone as intelligent and educated as you can answer it. It’s weird that you make post after post rather than answer such a simple question.

 

[RedFan]

You guys are hysterical! How many more dance steps are left?

 

[Pierac]

what a depraved way to justify a lie .
I NEVER SEEN an angel come and say I AM ALPHA and OMEGA . wanna know why they never said that
CAUSE THEY AINT . YET YOU SAY WHEN JESUS SAYS IT , SOMEHOW HE is not meaning HE IS but that GOD IS .
YOU only half right . THE PART YOU MISS IS HE IS . would you call yourself I AM
would you call yourself I AM the alpha and omega , the first and the last . NO SIR .
NO man ever said this in scripture , no prophet ever said it
No king ever claimed it . YET GOD DID , YET THE KING OF KINDS DID . you must be heeding men
who say and teach gibberish to try and explain away THE VERY WORDS JESUS HIMSELF SAID .
I HEED NO SUCH MEN . cause anyone can twist scripture . Many groups do . they war with one another
over their own teachings and both twist it . They do this with even the letters of the apostels
as though the apostels were writing in code to the church that no man could know lest a wise scholarly man was there to teach them .
SOON all will merge under the grand lie of all that has come to merge the decieved of all tribes , of the false religoins ,
as well as those who appear outwardly to have wool but within is but a person who has decieved themselves
and clung to an image of GOD and of CHRIST which was NOT HIM at all . many love to hear what their own hearts desire to hear
but sheep hear ONLY TRUTH and embrace every lovely WORD of the LORD for it is their meat .

Silly Child..... Let me show you an angel who can forgive the sins of Israel....

Now let's review one example at Exodus 23:20-23. Notice 'my name is in him!' (agency)

"Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee by the way ... Take ye heed of him, and hearken unto his voice; provoke him not (be not rebellious against him): for he will not pardon your transgression; for my name is in him" "But if you truly obey his voice and do all that I say, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. "For My angel will go before you… (Exodus 23:20-23).

In this passage the angel was to be for Israel in the place of God; he was to speak God's words, and judge them. In fact the angel expressed God's name; he was God for them. (alpha and omega to the max!!!!) Now if this was true of an angel of the Lord, how much more of the Son of God himself?

How do you not know these things.... So in the future pick one verse at a time.... Then I can't expose your traditions of men when you quote verses that don't support your view... As I AM only human....

Oh wait.... did you actually think.... I claimed to be God by saying I AM in my sentence?

Yea... you did.... and this is why you fail...

 

[Pierac]

I suppose that many would have told JESUS , HEY DUDE we are here to learn and have fun, DONT GET SO WORKED UP dude .
TRUTH matters . what a man beleives matters , DOCTRINE matters .
the man you speak too who calleth himself peirac is in deadly and i do mean dire danger .
This lamb cannot sit back and relax and have FUN with those in deadly deadly dire danger and who FLAT OUT
omit and even blaspheme GOD and HIS CHRIST . do you ever wonder why
when paul wrote to them churches we see when he was talking about appointing leaders
he uses the word GRAVE . even uses on it on the young men . I DONT SEE ANY GRAVITY in most men at all
at most i see gravey and lightness and , OH it dont matter if we dont agree , may as well be saying
OH IT DONT MATTER If the TRUTH IS TROD UNDER FOOT , its no big deal , lets just have fun . ME NO THINK SO .
THIS IS LIFE and death david . JESUS never tried to just have fun , to just get along
HE SPOKE TRUTH and HE OFTEN DID SO VERY VERY GRAVELY . it is a deadly serious matter
WHEN THE TRUTH of GOD is being TROD UNDER FOOT . IT GLORIFIES NOT GOD and saves NONE .
I am sure by what i just wrote most will marvel and behave as though i have no love for the brethren .
But allow me to remind us and them , WHERE IS THEIR LOVE FOR GOD , fOR TRUTH
and thus NO WONDER THEY HAVE no true love for brethren but rather a lets just get along mindset .

Im sorry if... your truth .... No not your truth... but your Traditions of Men got a Theological Spanking...

Again... post some scripture that proves me wrong.... show me how you see.... then I can give you a THEOLOGICAL SPANKING TOO.... I guess your next in line.... So post scripture that you think supports your view and get ready grab your ankles... little boy

Again.... having fun... don't get your girly panties in a wad

 

[Magdala]

I did make the point. And you going on and on how I did not make the point is hilarious. So, what day where the Angels created?

It is a simple question. Surely, someone as intelligent and educated as you can answer it. It’s weird that you make post after post rather than answer such a simple question.

No, you didn't, because according to you, I made your point that the Holy Trinity isn't scriptural merely by not answering your question "What day were the angels created?" I don't need to answer it because it's you who asserts that the answer to it answers the question that I asked in post #666. So, either make your point with it, or drop it.

 

[Pierac]

I'm going to give you little kiddies some truth.... AND.... You will reject it. You will reject the very word that comes out of the mouth of Jesus...

You think I'm kidding.....

I'm telling you here and now.... You will reject the words of Jesus the Christ... the son of God!!!

Grab your Theological Traditions of men ankles.... Boys... it's going to hurt!!!

What is the Holy Spirit....

When reading in Exodus awhile back, I came upon the phrase "the finger of God." I was aware that the same phrase was used in the book of Luke regarding the method Jesus uses to cast out demons. I decided to do a phrase study using e-Sword. The following information is from my latest research.

Exo 8:19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, "This is the finger of God." But Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he would not listen to them, as the LORD had said.
Exo 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.


Luk 11:14 Now he was casting out a demon that was mute. When the demon had gone out, the mute man spoke, and the people marveled. 15 But some of them said, "He casts out demons by Beelzebul, the prince of demons," 16 while others, to test him, kept seeking from him a sign from heaven…
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
I had also come upon Scriptures that says Jesus cast out demons by the Spirit of God. This would strongly lead to the conclusion that the finger of God is the Spirit of God the Father.


Mat 12:22 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. 23 And all the people were amazed, and said, "Can this be the Son of David?" 24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons."
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


When you connect Luke 11:20 with Matthew 12:28 then you get the understanding of what the finger of God is.
Luk 11:20 But if it is by the finger of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Mat 12:28 But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.


Now the same is true with the Holy Spirit. We also have in the Bible two parallel teachings of the same subject one Matthew and one in Luke.
Luk 12:11 And when they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not be anxious about how you should defend yourself or what you should say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

Mat 10:19 When they deliver you over, do not be anxious how you are to speak or what you are to say, for what you are to say will be given to you in that hour. 20 For it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.


Likewise, when you connect to Matthew 10:20 with Luke 12:12 you get an understanding of what the Holy Spirit is. It is the Spirit of the Father. There is no separate being called the Holy Spirit. Again that's why the Holy Spirit is never worshiped, prayed to, or has a seat on a throne.

You can let go of your Theological ankles now!!!

 

[Scott Downey]

1 John 5:20

GNV
But we know that that Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind to know him, which is true, and we are in him that is true, that is, in that his Son Jesus Christ, the same is that very God, and that eternal life.

GW
We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life.
GNT
We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we know the true God. We live in union with the true God—in union with his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and this is eternal life.
HCSB
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know the true One. We are in the true One—that is, in His Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

KJV
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

EASY
We also know that the Son of God has come into the world. He has helped us to understand what is true. As a result, we know the only true God. We live together with this true God, because we belong to his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God. He is the one who gives us life with God for ever.
EHV
We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true, in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
ESV
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
ESVUK
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
EXB
We also know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we can know the True One. And ·our lives [L we] are in the True One and in his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and the eternal life.

NIRV
We also know that the Son of God has come. He has given us understanding. So we can know the God who is true. And we belong to the true God by belonging to his Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
NIV
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
NIVUK
We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

WYC
And we know, that the Son of God came in flesh, and gave to us wit, that we know him very God, and be in the very Son [Jesus] of him [and be in the very Son Jesus of him]. This is very God, and everlasting life.
YLT
and we have known that the Son of God is come, and hath given us a mind, that we may know Him who is true, and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ; this one is the true God and the life age-during!

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