Why does everyone seem to need to come up with their own belief and doctrinal formula?

[MatthewG]

Hello @ScottA,

Time moves much quicker since the dawn and age of the internet. No matter what there will always be people that differ. It’s best probably just to live to serve God over man; while at the same time loving God first and loving others by and through the strength of Jesus. We can’t do it on own after all.

Romans 8:28
“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Romans 12:2
“And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭12‬:‭2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: but the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.”
‭‭James‬ ‭3‬:‭3‬-‭18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[ScottA]

Are you part of the problem, or part of the solution?

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Given the historic precedent set by Israel who crucified Christ--there is a very limited answer to that.

 

[ScottA]

I would say that everyone does. All doctrine, from the simplest version to the oldest known traditions, to newer ones, is based off of personal interpretation, even if you are not the one who came up with it. But even in the Bible, we see multiple traditions.

Exactly.
There is no such thing as a straight-forward reading of scripture.
It always raises questions. It is always open to interpretation.

I reject the idea that it can only mean one thing.
Personally, I get something different out of each reading.
I find myself in a different place with a different view.

God uses the scriptures like a tool.
Only Jeremiah received a message from God while passing
the Potter's house that day. (chapter 18)

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"A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps" (Proverbs 16:9).

The word of God is not actually the providence of men, but of God alone.

 

[Skovand]

"A man’s heart plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps" (Proverbs 16:9).

The word of God is not actually the providence of men, but of God alone.

Well then that leaves a few questions.

Consider the fact that the Bible says the world is a flat disc protected by a dome over it? Not only does the Bible say this, but a bulk of ancient Jewish texts further verify this was their thoughts and so does general Mesopotamian writings. Ancient Jewish men believed that the earth was a disc held up by pillars above water and had a dome over it and that the sun and stars moved around the earth.

Now God would have known, so why would he have chosen to either direct it that way to men or why would those men have felt inspired to write it that way?

 

[St. SteVen]

The word of God is not actually the providence of men, but of God alone.

I agree. God never told us to make a Bible. That was our idea.
And the main reason people can't hear God's voice.

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[ScottA]

Well then that leaves a few questions.

Consider the fact that the Bible says the world is a flat disc protected by a dome over it? Not only does the Bible say this, but a bulk of ancient Jewish texts further verify this was their thoughts and so does general Mesopotamian writings. Ancient Jewish men believed that the earth was a disc held up by pillars above water and had a dome over it and that the sun and stars moved around the earth.

Now God would have known, so why would he have chosen to either direct it that way to men or why would those men have felt inspired to write it that way?

Because of what the world actually is. That it is not an appendage or add-on to the kingdom of God, but rather limited to the specific purpose of salvation by "image." In other words, everything everyone ever believed made manifest before the judgement. Then comes the end.

And because the "here a little, there a little" system of revelation demands that every generation and time equally provides the above measures until the times are fulfilled. Which is to say, confusion and even the craziest things are an important part.

As for the earth being flat--it is not, for I have seen it as it is.

 

[ScottA]

I agree. God never told us to make a Bible. That was our idea.
And the main reason people can't hear God's voice.

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We're getting off track.

Surely, hearing God's voice firsthand is best...but He has said, "Write it in a book."

 

[St. SteVen]

We're getting off track.

I have no idea what this topic is about anyway.

He has said, "Write it in a book."

When? To whom?

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[TLHKAJ]

Philippians 2:12
[12]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Lambano]

Why does everyone seem to need to come up with their own belief and doctrinal formula?​

Because, in the end, we've made each individual the final arbiter of what the scripture says.

 

[St. SteVen]

Why does everyone seem to need to come up with their own belief and doctrinal formula?​

Because, in the end, we've made each individual the final arbiter of what the scripture says.

What does that scripture mean?

2 Peter 1:20-21 KJV
Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

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[MatthewG]

Hello @ScottA, and to any member,

I find the Bible insightful dealing with God, His Son, and Israel and some of the Gentiles. I find that it is never written directly to us in America, but I do find within it's context concerning Israel the nation it had become, and you also have some gentiles involved in the "World" and or "Age" they knew. Find it amazing that so many people take the Bible and try to apply everything to the self. It's amazing that we have it either way, as there are so many insights and truths founded within it's context and contents while also remaining somethings up in the air, though a lot of History is well within the confines of it itself. I believe this world that we live in today is simply a proving ground, where those who desire to educate themselves, by means of the use of the Bible, and hopefully by the help of the holy spirit helps us to grow spiritually. Becoming mature Sons or Daughters of God, if so a person wants that in their life. Self-seeking, for education in faith, peace, patience, forbearing one another and even differences of opinions concerning the Bible. There are many people who like to use the bible as a death sentence to people who do not believe everything written in it as though it is written to "Joan of Arc, wherever that person was from."

I believe overall Scotta; we are living in a proving ground which is not about proving ourselves to men. It's simply proving ourselves to Yahavah, and if or not we are going to be trusting of him, or trusting of our own selves. For example, the people who I've talked to, who tell me, no Jesus has not yet come back. That's all fine and good. Let them believe he has not come back yet. As long as they are seeking for God, what does it matter to me? I believe it changes the dynamic of the way things are seen but perhaps that is not for them. And those who believe we are living in the last days. While I believe the last days and last day pertained to that generation and time there and then. What does it matter to me if a person believes they are living in the last days if that is what they subjectively believe and place on themselves. Which to me leads to more worrying. What is it to me if people believe that God is a mean God, who hates every single person in the world today, who doesn't believe in him? I don't believe that is true.

I don't mean to sound like I am not my brothers keeper, but if those who only loves those and what they are about, what good is it to not love other people who are not what they are about? There is a whole lot of good in loving people with differences. The thing is, sometimes people get bogged down, and therefore as human beings we cut people away from us. I had to cut away all my drug dealings friends away from me. Does that make me a non-loving person? It's subjective whether or not in Christ I choose to allow him to flow by the spirit to love a person if I meet them face to face on the street again. On the internet streets though, you have just like on the real streets. People who have mental illness, autism, people who are behind the screen who may be high, or may be drunk just chatting online. We don't know. We can't see them. We don't know them. All we know is how we interface with one another.

I love all the members on the website here, and hope them the best, even if they are not able to respect boundaries; but when it comes to crimes, they are crimes and those things are to be reported, either way. It seems to me since the dawning of the new heavens and new earth, with the administration of Christ, and everyone being able to choose to look to Yahavah or not.

This life and world we live in is a proving ground. Not to other people, but how we live our lives in front of the one whom we call Father, and decide to serve. Everyone has their own burdens to carry, we can either help them or decide not to, prayer is one of the most effective ways to do so, praying for all the people that we know. Regardless if we even associate very much with them or a whole lot with them. At 33, years old I don't go to church, I don't get out much other than work, but I try by the strength of Christ to love each person, and everytime I get in my flesh I know I fail and am unable to compete with the spirit of Christ which Yahavah allows us to harbor within the confines of our heart.

 

[Wrangler]

Why does everyone seem to need to come up with their own belief and doctrinal formula?​

We all need a world view to function properly.

 

[ScottA]

When? To whom?

Scripture is full of places, from "Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this for a memorial in the book and recount it in the hearing of Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.” Exodus 17:14 to "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, 11saying, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,” and, “What you see, write in a book and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia: to Ephesus, to Smyrna, to Pergamos, to Thyatira, to Sardis, to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.” Revelation 1:11

 

[ScottA]

We all need a world view to function properly.

Or so it would seem. Interesting that our sanity might even be tied to something false as opposed to true.

 

[Wrangler]

Or so it would seem. Interesting that our sanity might even be tied to something false as opposed to true.

Not so much the metaphysics but the epistemology that keeps our sanity.

When our metaphysics is wrong, that is our opportunity to reconcile with cognitive dissonance.

Getting back to the need for a world view, it explains the human need all over the world, across every culture, for myths, legends and folklore. Our identity is tied to our story.

 

[Skovand]

Because of what the world actually is. That it is not an appendage or add-on to the kingdom of God, but rather limited to the specific purpose of salvation by "image." In other words, everything everyone ever believed made manifest before the judgement. Then comes the end.

And because the "here a little, there a little" system of revelation demands that every generation and time equally provides the above measures until the times are fulfilled. Which is to say, confusion and even the craziest things are an important part.

As for the earth being flat--it is not, for I have seen it as it is.

So I am aware that the world is not flat with a dome over it. I’m asking how do you solve those
Biblical claims with the questions I asked.

 

[David in NJ]

That's not biblical.

It is hard to image how this most common of positions even comes about. Do people really hear or read a little gospel, then assume they are to fill in the blanks according to their own understanding and conjecture?

Obviously, MANY do.

And it just gets worse from there. It's like telling a lie and then having to tell another and another and another just to keep from getting caught. WELL--YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT! You are not getting away with anything! Everyone presence their own evidence for or against themselves.

I wonder if it is even possible for many to consider not giving their own opinion when speaking or writing about biblical matters.

TRY IT--PLEASE--TRY IT!

Not many christians read and pray thru the scriptures.

Most just listen to their pastors who are promoted thru seminary which comes from denominational adherences.

Add to this the spiritual disease of 'respect of persons' and you have man centered beliefs which cause conflict.

Question: Are we part of the problem or part of the solution that God outlined in the Scriptures???

God made a Way for us = IF we choose to follow

 

[David in NJ]

Well then that leaves a few questions.

Consider the fact that the Bible says the world is a flat disc protected by a dome over it? Not only does the Bible say this, but a bulk of ancient Jewish texts further verify this was their thoughts and so does general Mesopotamian writings. Ancient Jewish men believed that the earth was a disc held up by pillars above water and had a dome over it and that the sun and stars moved around the earth.

Now God would have known, so why would he have chosen to either direct it that way to men or why would those men have felt inspired to write it that way?

Consider the fact that the Bible says the world is a flat disc protected by a dome over it?

Not exactly.

The surface of the earth itself is not a ball or sphere spinning thru space.

The earth has GREAT depth to it and God, in fact, did cover the earth with a Dome and NASA knows this.

NASA is a main part of satan's end-time deception(s) that has covered the earth/mankind.

Now God would have known,

God does know!
God made a Promise and a Challenge to satan and to mankind who is under satan's sway.

Thus says the Lord,
Who gives the sun for a light by day,
The ordinances of the moon and the stars for a light by night,
Who disturbs the sea,
And its waves roar
(The Lord of hosts is His name):
“If those ordinances depart
From before Me, says the Lord,
Then the seed of Israel shall also cease
From being a nation before Me forever.”
Thus says the Lord:

“If heaven above can be measured,
And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
For all that they have done, says the Lord. - Jeremiah 31:35-37

 

[NotTheRock]

Consider the fact that the Bible says the world is a flat disc protected by a dome

Verse please?