Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[Taken]

Even the theif on the cross called HIM LORD .
taken i dont like what i was seeing in part of your writing .
It seems like another way into what they have been doing all to lead us into .
KEEP the message the same . CONFESSION by mouth belief from the heart .
YOU GOTS TO BELEIVE , YOU GOTS TO CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH .

An individuals BELIEF (in their heart) IS PARAMOUNT…IS the KEY to receive Salvation…and I have NEVER said otherwise!

You are Trying to MAKE a confession By one’s “WORD spoken” of one’s Belief In their Heart “A requirement” to Receive Salvation….Period….

**Which IS a “half TRUTH”.

Dead body’s DO Not Speak.
Yet there ARE men who Bodily Die Having Never Confessed their True Belief IN their Heart…
Are They Doomed? No
They Become Sanctified THEN.
How? Why?
How?
God Himself searches (Verifies) all mens Truth in their Hearts…whether or not they Verbally (while alive) Confesses his Truth.
Why?
God IS JUST, to Save All men who Truly Believes IN their heart (at the moment of their bodily Death).

Fact IS…Salvation IS ONLY given a man…
If the man Believed in his Heart…while alive…
And
If the body IS Dead.

If a Living man … willingly confesses With his mouth…
And…
Willingly “lays down his Bodily Life “With Jesus”…
Called…being Crucified WITH Jesus;
Called…a LIVING Sacrifice…

That man HAS fulfilled the Requirement of Confession by Word…
And …
To Bodily Die ONCE….
And THUS IS Prepared TO Receive Gods Gift of Salvation…THEN.
Before “his physical Bodily Death”.

Some choose ^^ That method…and are content in Knowing “the Spirit of God Dwelling “IN” them….SECURELY KEEPS….”
Their Salvation For Them Forever, By the Promise And Power of God. (OSAS)

Some choose TO believe IN their heart (without) Confession….
For many reasons… primarily….Fear…of threats, Fear…of prosecution….Fear …. of Judgements …. Fear …. of being hated.

However ….aside from the Fears…THEY are Warned and Reminded repeatedly….
Without Gods POWER…..”IN” them…
They ONLY have “their own Will-Power”….
And??
Common human men ARE on the shorted Rung of The Power Ladder “Of THIS World”…
Cunning Demons and Clever kings OF this world Rule This World….and if they be anti/Christ….they have the POWER to influence and even Demand you follow and Agree with THEM.

The Lord Gods OFFERING ….”if” Taken by A Man….supersedes the Power IN a man, of Anti-Christ kings, of anti-Christ demons…
And WHY…accepting The Lord Gods Offering, of Death by proxy, crucified WITH Jesus….makes a Living mans Salvation…(OSAS)
Untouchable …Immune….To and By Anti-God, Anti-Christ…demons, kings, thugs, acquaintances, family members, teachers, doctors, neighbors, employers, strangers…etc.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[MatthewG]

Did you know? God made Jesus. His Word was in the beginning with him. Jesus was made sin, and he was sinless.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 John 3:5 But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded [Him].
John 14: Jesus says to him, "Am I with you so long a time, and you have not known Me, Philip? The one having seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

Still, the Word of God must have indwelled Jesus. Many people came and worshipped him as a King. In the days of King you would prostrate yourself before the King. However even in those days, those of faith would have continued to look and pray to Yahavah, Jesus taught this same thing. I love the Lord Yeshua, and am thankful for what he has done for the whole world, and what God had done through the Lord Yeshua by sustaining his Word in and through him, though Jesus had a choice at any time to disobey. He was held back by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, and risen after dying on the cross by the Holy Spirit of Yahavah, rising his Word back from the dead. In the end what you believe about this things are totally between you and yourself. Whether you seek to be right with others or not. What does mean something is loving Yahavah first, by and through the strength of Jesus, who was made, and worshiping the Father in heaven in having fellowship with him and his Son, loving and continuing to be faithful.

John 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?” 29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”
1 John 3:23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

Even people claiming faith doesn’t mean anything if a person doesn’t love. Paul says these things in 1 Corinthians 13, and that’s what’s gonna count by the end of life… did one have faith and did they love.

“Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hebrews 2:19 But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

Numbers 23:19 God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?

In the case of Doubting Thomas, he recognized that Jesus was the Lord and was the Word of God incarnate after resurrection, not before. Therefore he states “my Lord and my God.”

John 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

1 Corinthians 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

If people want to worship Jesus by all means do so; however wouldn’t that be dismissing Jesus entire narrative when he told Mary;

John 20:17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 4:22 You Samaritans know very little about the one you worship, while we Jews know all about him, for salvation comes through the Jews. 23 But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way. 24 For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

This is the dangers of not seeking out God for answers, he will help you if you need it.

James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.

1 John 1:3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

All the best for those who seek for truth in their lives! All blessing to anyone who disagrees, and may God help you understand.

 

[MA2444]

I do but feel free to use verses to enlighten me.

Touche' bro! Some of that I was talking about came from the book of Enoch though.

Can I post from Enoch here or will it upset some people?!

 

[St. SteVen]

Can I post from Enoch here or will it upset some people?!

Fine by me as long as you cite your source.

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[MA2444]

Fine by me as long as you cite your source.

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Ok so if I post from Enoch I'll give Enoch as the source, lol.

 

[St. SteVen]

Ok so if I post from Enoch I'll give Enoch as the source, lol.

Yes.
Please include the chapter and verse.

The Book of Enoch 84:1
And I lifted up my hands in righteousness and blessed the Holy and Great One,
and spake with the breath of my mouth, and with the tongue of flesh,
which God has made for the children of the flesh of men, that they should speak therewith,
and He gave them breath and a tongue and a mouth that they should speak therewith:

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[amigo de christo]

@Johann @amigo de christo @CadyandZoe @Aunty Jane @Wrangler @Scott Downey @RedFan

Do you guys/gals SEE this ??? - Psalm 37:7

7 - Rest in the LORD, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way,
Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass.

Can you SEE now ???

Yep . Just keep on speaking the truth my friend . Our peace is IN THE LORD .
Loving and embracing the scriptures HE inspired and doing all to contend for the true faith .
So while we rest in him , we are busy exhorting by HIM the TRUTH unto all .
Our peace is OF HIM . We trust in HIM and embrace and love Truth . Always to put GOD , CHRIST first above all
having the true love of GOD shed upon our hearts by the Holy Ghost which the true beleivers have as a comfort and helper
to us all . To guide and to lead us into truth and As HE abides in us let us heed the SPIRIT and be learning sound doctrine well .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think people just want to be liked by other people and acknowledge as they are right while others are wrong. Is this all people care about? That’s my question. I believe it truly stunts spiritual growth. The Word was God… Jesus was made flesh and born of the flesh and spirit and the Word of God dwelled in him… Jesus and the Father are one on the throne as it is stated in revelation. As the Lord God Almighty.

These aren’t the things that get you into heaven I’m afraid it’s faith and love. Believing in the one who had sent Jesus, and love. Those are what’s going to matter in the end. Did you have faith and did you love others.

Faith in JESUS . but reader and all beware for many have put their faith into another jesus
and thus follow another god . loving that which man feeds and has fed their flesh .
Despising and rejecting even certain scriptures .
I highly suggest we get into the bible and let one learn from GOD that which many men no longer teach truly .

 

[amigo de christo]

An individuals BELIEF (in their heart) IS PARAMOUNT…IS the KEY to receive Salvation…and I have NEVER said otherwise!

You are Trying to MAKE a confession By one’s “WORD spoken” of one’s Belief In their Heart “A requirement” to Receive Salvation….Period….

**Which IS a “half TRUTH”.

Dead body’s DO Not Speak.
Yet there ARE men who Bodily Die Having Never Confessed their True Belief IN their Heart…
Are They Doomed? No
They Become Sanctified THEN.
How? Why?
How?
God Himself searches (Verifies) all mens Truth in their Hearts…whether or not they Verbally (while alive) Confesses his Truth.
Why?
God IS JUST, to Save All men who Truly Believes IN their heart (at the moment of their bodily Death).

Fact IS…Salvation IS ONLY given a man…
If the man Believed in his Heart…while alive…
And
If the body IS Dead.

If a Living man … willingly confesses With his mouth…
And…
Willingly “lays down his Bodily Life “With Jesus”…
Called…being Crucified WITH Jesus;
Called…a LIVING Sacrifice…

That man HAS fulfilled the Requirement of Confession by Word…
And …
To Bodily Die ONCE….
And THUS IS Prepared TO Receive Gods Gift of Salvation…THEN.
Before “his physical Bodily Death”.

Some choose ^^ That method…and are content in Knowing “the Spirit of God Dwelling “IN” them….SECURELY KEEPS….”
Their Salvation For Them Forever, By the Promise And Power of God. (OSAS)

Some choose TO believe IN their heart (without) Confession….
For many reasons… primarily….Fear…of threats, Fear…of prosecution….Fear …. of Judgements …. Fear …. of being hated.

However ….aside from the Fears…THEY are Warned and Reminded repeatedly….
Without Gods POWER…..”IN” them…
They ONLY have “their own Will-Power”….
And??
Common human men ARE on the shorted Rung of The Power Ladder “Of THIS World”…
Cunning Demons and Clever kings OF this world Rule This World….and if they be anti/Christ….they have the POWER to influence and even Demand you follow and Agree with THEM.

The Lord Gods OFFERING ….”if” Taken by A Man….supersedes the Power IN a man, of Anti-Christ kings, of anti-Christ demons…
And WHY…accepting The Lord Gods Offering, of Death by proxy, crucified WITH Jesus….makes a Living mans Salvation…(OSAS)
Untouchable …Immune….To and By Anti-God, Anti-Christ…demons, kings, thugs, acquaintances, family members, teachers, doctors, neighbors, employers, strangers…etc.

Glory to God,
Taken

He who denies me before men shall i deny before MY father . never encourage fear
rather encourage all who beleive , NOT to fear man . the fearful . we must encourage the feeble
NOT support their fear . Careful taken for what you wrote contains an error .
Every believer i know has confessed JESUS THE CHRIST by mouth . They have said that name .
Now not all evangelize as MUCH as did pual , but all must let the LIGHT SHINE . Put not out , hide not that light
under no beds . And yes taken i already know one can come to him on their death bed .
We have to get back to original evanglising and true exhoration which would build up the people .
Those who fear we exhort to not fear and we pray for them and remind them to pray for utterance to be given .
And yes WITHOUT the power o GOD can no man do . But you see , THAT be the key
PRAY TO GOD for utterance , pray to GOD to have no fear of man . HE HEARS all prayers PLEASING TO HIM .
HE desires us not to fear man . SO PRAY TO HIM for boldness , but never give out false encouragment about those who do fear .
Rather instruct them , pray with and for them . Even paul had to remind timothy NOT to fear .
Lets remind the church TO NOT FEAR and to pray TO GOD for strength .

 

[MatthewG]

Faith in JESUS . but reader and all beware for many have put their faith into another jesus
and thus follow another god . loving that which man feeds and has fed their flesh .
Despising and rejecting even certain scriptures .
I highly suggest we get into the bible and let one learn from GOD that which many men no longer teach truly .

Hello @amigo de christo ,

Who is the other Jesus, and the other god? What are they all about?

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello @Amigo,

Who is the other Jesus, and the other god? What are they all about?

They are the creation of men to produce another image of Jesus , of God .
Satan can use the name of JESUS but the jesus he and his men are gonna preach
IS gonna contradict the TRUE JESUS .
they produce another gospel , they produce another love that is of the world
and that love will NOT correct sins , specially certain ones and will rather even give the impression
those sins are not sins at all . another jesus , another gospel they do preach .
And that gospel WILL MAKE the road to GOD very very broad . It will include all who deny JESUS is the CHRIST
as do all other religoins . IT will be a very diverse and inclusive road , but it will be made
to sound loving and as LOVE . IT AINT .
No matter how loving and good a lie might seem , IT is still a lie and it will save none .
A man can do all he can to try and make something seem good , loving and safe
but it is as a man who went to a steel shop . had a big piece of steel cut into a circle
then he had them cut a hole in the middle .
Then he goes to a paint shop and sprays much paint on it to cover its appearance and to make
it appear as a flotation device .
THEN he goes to the beach and calls all unto him and says to those drowing in the water
I WILL throw you this line with this buoay and all will be safe . BUT THEY WONT , THEY GONNA ALL DROWN
as they take hold of the metal iron that was simply remade to LOOK as though it was a safety device .
ALL WHO enter into that broad inclusive road of men who by means of coexist and interfaith , WILL DIE THE SECOND DEATH
at their end . NO matter how loving it sounded .

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @amigo de christo

Does that mean people who teach to hate other people, and look down on others? Are those the things that Jesus taught? Can you teach me some of the things this false Jesus, and false God would lead for a person to do? To not be merciful, to not be forgiving?

Philippians 1:15-18: It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.

 

[JLB]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

Yes? Please offer Scriptural Quote.

Glory to God,
Taken

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16


Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:58-59

• Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”Then they took up stones to throw at Him;

Why did the Jews who heard Him say I AM, pick up stones to stone Him to death?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @JLB

He was claiming to be the voice of God, or the Word of God; which he was. When Jesus said "I am." The Word of God, was manifested in the Flesh. Jesus was the Word of God, made born of spirit and flesh. Jesus was the Word of God incarnate in the flesh.

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello @amigo de christo

Does that mean people who teach to hate other people, and look down on others? Are those the things that Jesus taught? Can you teach me some of the things this false Jesus, and false God would lead for a person to do? To not be merciful, to not be forgiving?

Philippians 1:15-18: It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.

Ye shall not HATE your neighbor in your heart , you shall in any way rebuke him and not allow SIN upon him .
Love corrects mathew , love dont lie .

 

[MatthewG]

Hello @JLB,

It makes me wonder how many times was it God speaking through his Word, and how many times was it the Word of God, speaking through Jesus. It's perplexing. Because Jesus was made a human being, while being indwelled by the Word of God, he was still human being through a divine being (the Word of God) whom had come from above, and everyone else had come from below.

John 8:23 Jesus continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not.

 

[Wrangler]

Surely People proclaiming a Scriptural Truth all the time, is not an issue for you, is it?

You are confusing <what people say> with Scriptural truth. Others said Jesus was from Satan. Does that make it true?

 

[David in NJ]

Hello @JLB

He was claiming to be the voice of God, or the Word of God; which he was. When Jesus said "I am." The Word of God, was manifested in the Flesh. Jesus was the Word of God, made born of spirit and flesh. Jesus was the Word of God incarnate in the flesh.

the OT prophets also were the voice of God

ATTENTION: Not one of the OT prophets would dare say:
a.) IAM
b.) I am HE
c.) I have come down from Heaven
d.) I have come down from Heaven from My FATHER
e.) I have come from Heaven from My FATHER = I and My FATHER are ONE

 

[David in NJ]

You are confusing <what people say> with Scriptural truth. Others said Jesus was from Satan. Does that make it true?

You just magnified the emphasis of TRUTH

a.) the Word was God
or
b.) Jesus is from satan

emphasis of TRUTH = Which is it???

 

[Wrangler]

Do you think God “Created God?
Or do you Disagree, with Thomas, that Jesus “IS” Lord AND God?

I think God created Jesus. None of YHWH’s creations are YHWH.

Of course I disagree with exclamatory statements. Just because someone exclaims the dropped toast is feces does not make it so. The Scripture truth is that God - in his unitarian nature- sent his son. Do you disagree with the Scripture narrative that God sent his son?

Jesus said his father is the only true God. Do you disagree with Jesus? Jesus saying it is good enough for me. Why is it not good enough for you?