Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

[David in NJ]

It depends on what you mean by "Is". Trinitarian doctrine falsely claims that Jesus and the Father are numerically identical -- consubstantialem. Instead, the Bible teaches that Jesus and the Father are representationally identical as Paul the Apostle argues. Jesus is the image of God.

Dear CadyandZoe, You say you love God and i believe you.

When you believe something is a false doctrine you first MUST prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.

Speaking against the TRUTH is SIN so you MUST know what the Scriptures say on any given subject matter.

NEVER call God a liar as many do on here when they scoff at His Word and twist the scriptures to their judgment.

The Scriptural evidence of the TRIUNE Elohim is EVERYWHERE and anyone who speaks against it does so to their own judgment.
Elohim does not want that for you and HE gave you His Word so that you may know the TRUTH.

EXAMPLE - Genesis chapter 1:1-3 and 1:26

In the beginning Elohim/Plural created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim/Plural was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim/Plural Said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Then Elohim/Plural said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness = PLURAL = 3

 

[Windmill Charge]

Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

Yes? Please offer Scriptural Quote.

Glory to God,
Taken

John10:
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

 

[Scott Downey]

John10:
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

And the claim is true as God can not lie.
And the counsel of God is immutable, meaning unchangeable and He also swears by an oath. God is not faithless like man is as He cannot deny Himself, His nature as almighty God.

Paul, a bondservant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God’s elect and the acknowledgment of the truth which accords with godliness, 2 in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began, 3 but has in due time manifested His word through preaching, which was committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior;

God’s Infallible Purpose in Christ​

13 For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14 saying, “Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you.” 15 And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. 16 For men indeed swear by the greater, and an oath for confirmation is for them an end of all dispute. 17 Thus God, determining to show more abundantly to the heirs of promise the [f]immutability of His counsel, [g]confirmed it by an oath, 18 that by two [h]immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we [i]might have strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us.

19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and steadfast, and which enters the Presence behind the veil, 20 where the forerunner has entered for us, even Jesus, having become High Priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Dear CadyandZoe, You say you love God and i believe you.

When you believe something is a false doctrine you first MUST prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.

I disagree. The onus is on those who believe the doctrine to prove that the doctrine is true.

The Scriptural evidence of the TRIUNE Elohim is EVERYWHERE and anyone who speaks against it does so to their own judgment.

If you see it in the Bible you brought it with you. The Trinitarian doctrine did not come from the Bible. It came from a council whose sole purpose was to syncretize Christianity with paganism by order of Constantine.

EXAMPLE - Genesis chapter 1:1-3 and 1:26

In the beginning Elohim/Plural created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim/Plural was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim/Plural Said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Then Elohim/Plural said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness = PLURAL = 3

The term Elohim was borrowed from the Babylonians. Though a Babylonian might hear the plural because they were polytheists, a Hebrew would hear the singular because they were monotheists.

 

[amigo de christo]

I disagree. The onus is on those who believe the doctrine to prove that the doctrine is true.

If you see it in the Bible you brought it with you. The Trinitarian doctrine did not come from the Bible. It came from a council whose sole purpose was to syncretize Christianity with paganism by order of Constantine.

The term Elohim was borrowed from the Babylonians. Though a Babylonian might hear the plural because they were polytheists, a Hebrew would hear the singular because they were monotheists.

I respond only to this wherein you wrote to syncretize chrisanity with paganism .
For the harlot is at work right now to do just that . And most by its worldy version of love, which it claims be of GOD ,are
heading right into its finding common ground message .
OH there be an entity at work all right and throughout the ages it has been at work to decieve and to allure .
Lets keep that in mind when we hear churches constantly preaching on bridge building , breaking down walls ,
finding common ground . cause that be the working of anti christ and what it is doing
and has been doing is breaking down walls that divide (removing fundamental doctrine )
and buiding bridges (preaching a version of twisted truth in the form of love bywhich to UNITE all )
Folks better watch out . if ones church is mainly always preaching on unity and
always using a form of love , YET wont speak or teach on most of the other doctrine , YA BEEN INFILTRATED
and it will only GET WORSE . I seems to notice a lot of doctrine is no longer read in churches
and if any scripture is used its mainly twisted scrips to fit an agenda , a dark love that will use the golden rule
YET DENY and DENIES HE WHO SAID IT . We better watch out cady and zoe . Finding common ground interfaith is of anti christ .

 

[Taken]

It depends on what you mean by "Is". Trinitarian doctrine falsely claims that Jesus and the Father are numerically identical -- consubstantialem. Instead, the Bible teaches that Jesus and the Father are representationally identical as Paul the Apostle argues. Jesus is the image of God.

Representatively Identical does NOT by default mean NOT one and The Same.

God reveals “information, knowledge…little by little, bit by bit….keeping some knowledge Secret”….
Once the “ withheld Secret “ knowledge IS revealed to mankind …the revealing is for all of mankind to freely choose to Believe … or not.

Gods WORD came forth out of Gods Mouth IN the Beginning…and continues to Speak to “particular” Humans in a Fashion / Manner According to Gods Will.

His “Voice” is ALWAYS “steeped “In a “Covering” (of His Choice)…but with “INTENT”…for particular Individual humans TO “BE AWARE” Of His Presence. (Omnipresent).

Fashions / Manners…
*God talked to Adam…what Language?
*God talked to Prophets…what language?
Telepathy or sorts ?
*God gave Visions…Dreams.
*God sent His Word …in A Likeness OF a Human JEWS Body that God prepared…
*God sends Thunder claps…what Language?
*God sends Lightening…Revealing His POWER…(no man can harness).

When a Converted Sanctified/ Saved AND Quickened man HAS A conversation WITH God…
THAT SAVED and QUICKENED man IS “IN CHRIST”
Does God Hear the man…Praising God? Thanking God?
AND
Does God ANSWER questions THAT Converted Saved and Quickened man ASKS? How? Audible Voice? Or Telepathically of sorts… ie. Spiritually without Sound the human can Hear?

I say YES…. And THAT specifically Applies TO a converted / Saved and Quickened man.

All others continue to “go THROUGH” the Advocate God provided… Jesus IF “they” desire God to Know WHERE “THEY” Stand….

Why?
Because “IF” their Standing Continues “IN Jesus “ …. Until, the moment of their Bodily Death …
God Shall Save their Soul THEN….And God Shall Raise Their Body Up IN The First Resurrection.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Which IS Different “Regarding” Those men, who ARE already Soul Saved and spirit quickened “IN Christ” …. And Are To Be Raised UP by the Lord… IN THE Rapture…Before The First Resurrection of Those “IN Jesus”…And Those ancient men WHO believed IN God AND His Word…(even when The Name of Gods Word, was Secret to them.)

1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Only You and the Lord God Almighty Knows your STANDING ….
Be “it”… IN Jesus or IN Christ (or neither).

The Last Trump…is the Revealing, Manifestation To The Whole World…OF whose Standing IS WHERE.

Yes….They “IN Christ” ARE saved, Quickened, Sanctified….and “KEPT” Sanctified BY The Power Of Gods Spirit OF Truth, “IN” them.
AND “Their NAME IS” Recorded “IN” the “Lambs Book OF Life”… (which is Never Subject to being Blotted Out)
Rev 13:8

Yes…They who Bodily Die “IN Jesus” Shall BE Saved…AT THAT Time of Their Bodily Death…(Who ARE they, WHO Believed ….BUT NEVER Opened their Mouth and called On the Lord AND verbally MADE a Confession of their Belief…

And Because God “IS JUST”….He Searches Every mans TRUTH in his (spirit), Truth in his Heart… IF that man (Never Confessed his Belief)…yet Held a Belief In Jesus until his bodily death….God SHALL….Save his soul, quicken his spirit….Rise up his departed soul and spirit to heaven….And Raise up his Body in the First Resurrection.

Those “IN Christ” are Risen Up…Before the First Resurrection Of those “IN Jesus”…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[David in NJ]

I disagree. The onus is on those who believe the doctrine to prove that the doctrine is true.

If you see it in the Bible you brought it with you. The Trinitarian doctrine did not come from the Bible. It came from a council whose sole purpose was to syncretize Christianity with paganism by order of Constantine.

The term Elohim was borrowed from the Babylonians. Though a Babylonian might hear the plural because they were polytheists, a Hebrew would hear the singular because they were monotheists.

The Scriptural evidence of the TRIUNE Elohim is EVERYWHERE and anyone who speaks against it does so to their own judgment.
Elohim does not want that for you and HE gave you His Word so that you may know the TRUTH.

The WORD of ELOHIM opens HIS TRUTH with PLURALITY of the GODHEAD = Genesis chapter 1:1-3 and 1:26

In the beginning Elohim/Plural created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim/Plural was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim/Plural Said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Then Elohim/Plural said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness = PLURAL = 3

The onus is on you now to speak TRUTH, otherwise you are speaking against TRUTH and thus a lie

 

[amigo de christo]

Representatively Identical does NOT by default mean NOT one and The Same.

God reveals “information, knowledge…little by little, bit by bit….keeping some knowledge Secret”….
Once the “ withheld Secret “ knowledge IS revealed to mankind …the revealing is for all of mankind to freely choose to Believe … or not.

Gods WORD came forth out of Gods Mouth IN the Beginning…and continues to Speak to “particular” Humans in a Fashion / Manner According to Gods Will.

His “Voice” is ALWAYS “steeped “In a “Covering” (of His Choice)…but with “INTENT”…for particular Individual humans TO “BE AWARE” Of His Presence. (Omnipresent).

Fashions / Manners…
*God talked to Adam…what Language?
*God talked to Prophets…what language?
Telepathy or sorts ?
*God gave Visions…Dreams.
*God sent His Word …in A Likeness OF a Human JEWS Body that God prepared…
*God sends Thunder claps…what Language?
*God sends Lightening…Revealing His POWER…(no man can harness).

When a Converted Sanctified/ Saved AND Quickened man HAS A conversation WITH God…
THAT SAVED and QUICKENED man IS “IN CHRIST”
Does God Hear the man…Praising God? Thanking God?
AND
Does God ANSWER questions THAT Converted Saved and Quickened man ASKS? How? Audible Voice? Or Telepathically of sorts… ie. Spiritually without Sound the human can Hear?

I say YES…. And THAT specifically Applies TO a converted / Saved and Quickened man.

All others continue to “go THROUGH” the Advocate God provided… Jesus IF “they” desire God to Know WHERE “THEY” Stand….

Why?
Because “IF” their Standing Continues “IN Jesus “ …. Until, the moment of their Bodily Death …
God Shall Save their Soul THEN….And God Shall Raise Their Body Up IN The First Resurrection.

1 Thes 4:
[14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Which IS Different “Regarding” Those men, who ARE already Soul Saved and spirit quickened “IN Christ” …. And Are To Be Raised UP by the Lord… IN THE Rapture…Before The First Resurrection of Those “IN Jesus”…And Those ancient men WHO believed IN God AND His Word…(even when The Name of Gods Word, was Secret to them.)

1 Thes 4:
[15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Only You and the Lord God Almighty Knows your STANDING ….
Be “it”… IN Jesus or IN Christ (or neither).

The Last Trump…is the Revealing, Manifestation To The Whole World…OF whose Standing IS WHERE.

Yes….They “IN Christ” ARE saved, Quickened, Sanctified….and “KEPT” Sanctified BY The Power Of Gods Spirit OF Truth, “IN” them.
AND “Their NAME IS” Recorded “IN” the “Lambs Book OF Life”… (which is Never Subject to being Blotted Out)
Rev 13:8

Yes…They who Bodily Die “IN Jesus” Shall BE Saved…AT THAT Time of Their Bodily Death…(Who ARE they, WHO Believed ….BUT NEVER Opened their Mouth and called On the Lord AND verbally MADE a Confession of their Belief…

And Because God “IS JUST”….He Searches Every mans TRUTH in his (spirit), Truth in his Heart… IF that man (Never Confessed his Belief)…yet Held a Belief In Jesus until his bodily death….God SHALL….Save his soul, quicken his spirit….Rise up his departed soul and spirit to heaven….And Raise up his Body in the First Resurrection.

Those “IN Christ” are Risen Up…Before the First Resurrection Of those “IN Jesus”…

Glory to God,
Taken

Even the theif on the cross called HIM LORD .
taken i dont like what i was seeing in part of your writing .
It seems like another way into what they have been doing all to lead us into .
KEEP the message the same . CONFESSION by mouth belief from the heart .
Taken do not be taken into this web of confusion . KEEP the message the same . GOD KNOWS .
Men love to plant strange thoughts that contain partial truths but really they be at work
to lead this people elsewhere . NOW remember interfaith is of anti christ and that spirit
KNOWS how to decieve . IT knows HOW to twist things .
OUR DUTY is not to try and convince the world and ourselves , rather its to PREACH
and to remind all of the dire necessity to have beleived , TO CONFESS HIM by mouth
beleiving that GOD rose him from the dead . THOSE WHO will hear will hear
and YES even at the last moments of ones life THEY can be saved as was the thief .
But the only message we must preach is , YOU GOTS TO BELEIVE , YOU GOTS TO CONFESS HIM BY MOUTH .

 

[David in NJ]

I disagree. The onus is on those who believe the doctrine to prove that the doctrine is true.

If you see it in the Bible you brought it with you. The Trinitarian doctrine did not come from the Bible. It came from a council whose sole purpose was to syncretize Christianity with paganism by order of Constantine.

The term Elohim was borrowed from the Babylonians. Though a Babylonian might hear the plural because they were polytheists, a Hebrew would hear the singular because they were monotheists.

The term Elohim was borrowed from the Babylonians

Someone told you this LIE and and you believed a lie and this lie immediately contaminates your mind = EVE

Place your complete TRUST in the WORD of God = The Holy Scriptures that have been CONFIRMED by the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH

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Strong's Lexicon In the beginning בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ) Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part God אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm) Noun - masculine plural Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

a Hebrew would hear the singular because they were monotheists.

Jewish monotheists killed the OT Prophets and the only begotten SON of GOD

monotheism = Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy,
and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

@CadyandZoe - put down the rocks in your hand = you are throwing them at JESUS and those who believe His words

 

[CadyandZoe]

Representatively Identical does NOT by default mean NOT one and The Same.

By definition, they are different.

Representation

Numerical identity: One-in-the Same
My wife and I sit down to breakfast, and I declare, pointing to the bowl of Cheerios in front of me, " This particular bowl of Cheerios is mine."

Qualitative Identity: shares the same attributes.
Pointing to my wife's Cheerios, I declare, "You are also eating a bowl of Cheerios." Her Cheerios are the same as mine in that they share all the same attributes.

Representational Identity: an image represents the thing.
Pointing to the picture on the box, I declare, "That is a bowl of Cheerios." What am I saying? I mean to identify which box of cereal, out of all the other cereal boxes, contains Cheerios rather than another cereal. The image on the box represents the contents inside.

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

 

[amigo de christo]

The Scriptural evidence of the TRIUNE Elohim is EVERYWHERE and anyone who speaks against it does so to their own judgment.
Elohim does not want that for you and HE gave you His Word so that you may know the TRUTH.

The WORD of ELOHIM opens HIS TRUTH with PLURALITY of the GODHEAD = Genesis chapter 1:1-3 and 1:26

In the beginning Elohim/Plural created the heavens and the earth.
Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.
And the Spirit of Elohim/Plural was hovering over the surface of the waters.
And Elohim/Plural Said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Then Elohim/Plural said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness = PLURAL = 3

The onus is on you now to speak TRUTH, otherwise you are speaking against TRUTH and thus a lie

Always remember this too my friend , for many now do and even beleive this next statment i write .
Many who even lip The glorious name of JESUS and make claim they do beleive
NOW say and now beleive a fat lie . and that fat lie is They mouth and imply its not necessary for others to beleive
and give all false religions , all unbelievers a pass . THAT IS THE WORK OF ANTI CHRIST
and lest one thinks anti christ cannot work through the churches , THINK AGAIN . THE HARLOT was JERSUALEM
and many of them professed to KNOW GOD and yet SURE SEEMED TO DECIEVE the people .
CHRISTENDOM IS BEING decieved by well clever spoken leaders . Who though they wear wool
WITHIN they are as the dead whited walls that hold nothing but death and decay within them .
Many are falling for this junk david . THEY believe OH SO LONG as they claim to BELEIVE JESUS then they okay
even if they say one does not have to BELEIVE. DO YA SEEN THE HYRPROCRISY IN THAT LIE .
Now i am telling us all david , THIS IS THE LIE that will merge all of the decieved . and whether one
preach oneness or trinity or etc , IT SEEEMS ALL ARE falling for that SAME LIE david .
I am very concerned and highly worried for many my friend .
The LIE that unites them all is fast at work and it will lead them all as one RIGHT TO PERDITION
at their end . IT is uniting the false religoins with the false within christendom and they will COME FULL FORCE against
any and against all the true lambs who did not conform to the image of their beloved beast and its anti christ message
of fake love that saved NONE and bythat love IT DENIED GOD , DENIES CHRIST and DENIED THE LOVE OF GOD .

 

[CadyandZoe]

Someone told you this LIE and and you believed a lie and this lie immediately contaminates your mind = EVE

Place your complete TRUST in the WORD of God = The Holy Scriptures that have been CONFIRMED by the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH

Who says I am not trusting the word of God? You said it yourself: The word of God is the Holy Scriptures. So why do you accept the lie that "Word" indicates a person?

If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. My view makes sense, i.e. that the Word of God is the scriptures, contrary to the erroneous Trinitarian doctrine, teaching that the word of God is one of three persons in a single being.

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Strong's Lexicon In the beginning בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ) Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part God אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm) Noun - masculine plural Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

Okay, I like how you present evidence, and the evidence seems to defeat what I said, except for definition 2, which supports my contention that the noun should be understood as a singular "One True God." (Definition 2d) If Moses has employed the term "elohim" in reference to the One True God, then the term is singular, not plural.

Furthermore, considering definition 1a) rulers, judges, one can not argue that the plural form of the word conveys a headship consisting of a single entity with multiple members. The plural form indicates more than one ruler or more than one judge. Likewise, one can not construe definition 1b) as an indication of a single headship consisting of multiple angels or multiple gods. Therefore, the word elohim can not be construed to mean "a Godhead consisting of three persons" because a Godhead is not a plurality. According to Trinitarian belief, the Godhead is a single entity.

 

[amigo de christo]

Someone told you this LIE and and you believed a lie and this lie immediately contaminates your mind = EVE

Place your complete TRUST in the WORD of God = The Holy Scriptures that have been CONFIRMED by the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH

​

Strong's Lexicon In the beginning בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית (bə·rê·šîṯ) Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular Strong's Hebrew 7225: 1) first, beginning, best, chief 1a) beginning 1b) first 1c) chief 1d) choice part God אֱלֹהִ֑ים (’ĕ·lō·hîm) Noun - masculine plural Strong's Hebrew 430: 1) (plural) 1a) rulers, judges 1b) divine ones 1c) angels 1d) gods 2) (plural intensive-singular meaning) 2a) god, goddess 2b) godlike one 2c) works or special possessions of God 2d) the (true) God 2e) God

Jewish monotheists killed the OT Prophets and the only begotten SON of GOD

monotheism = Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him.
Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy,
and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

@CadyandZoe - put down the rocks in your hand = you are throwing them at JESUS and those who believe His words

Years and years ago these anti christs cried
The main obstacle in the way of world peace and safety IS fundamental biblical christanity .
SO what did they do . REMOVED THE DIETY OF CHRIST to make him appear as at most a prophet .
YA CAN NEVER MERGE the religoins with A MINDSET that KNOWS WHO THE ALPAH and OMEGA IS
with those whose gods be false . YOU GOT TO REMOVE the diety of that VERY TRUE CHRIST JESUS
cause IS JESUS really be the alpha and omega
HOW can one say All religons really are serving the same GOD in different ways . YA CANT
cause IF JESUS IS WHO HE IS , THEN ITS OBVEIOUS the others areFALSE . SEEING GOD cannot lie
or deny HIMSELF . THESE anti christs will pay for their interfaith ways . I ONLY HOPE and pray THEY DO REPENT
before that DAY .

 

[David in NJ]

Who says I am not trusting the word of God? You said it yourself: The word of God is the Holy Scriptures. So why do you accept the lie that "Word" indicates a person?

If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. My view makes sense, i.e. that the Word of God is the scriptures, contrary to the erroneous Trinitarian doctrine, teaching that the word of God is one of three persons in a single being.

Okay, I like how you present evidence, and the evidence seems to defeat what I said, except for definition 2, which supports my contention that the noun should be understood as a singular "One True God." (Definition 2d) If Moses has employed the term "elohim" in reference to the One True God, then the term is singular, not plural.

Furthermore, considering definition 1a) rulers, judges, one can not argue that the plural form of the word conveys a headship consisting of a single entity with multiple members. The plural form indicates more than one ruler or more than one judge. Likewise, one can not construe definition 1b) as an indication of a single headship consisting of multiple angels or multiple gods. Therefore, the word elohim can not be construed to mean "a Godhead consisting of three persons" because a Godhead is not a plurality. According to Trinitarian belief, the Godhead is a single entity.

Okay, I like how you present evidence, and the evidence seems to defeat what I said, except for definition 2, which supports my contention that the noun should be understood as a singular "One True God.

ABSOLUTELY TRUE = a Singular Elohim that is comprised of 3 Elohim who are ECHAD = ONE

No finite human mind can comprehend this = it requires complete trust in every word that God Speaks to us

Genesis 1:26 - Let Us make man in Our image according to Our likeness.

My Brother in Christ @CadyandZoe -the FATHER detailed for us Who Elohim is in the GOSPEL

Please examine the Evidence of TRUTH - count to 3

1- “If you love Me/Jesus, keep My commandments.
2- And I will pray the Father,
3 - and He will give you another Helper....the Spirit of truth = Holy Spirit

Trust His every word and for HE loves you greatly and the Lord will only speak Truth to you from His Word & Spirit

 

[CadyandZoe]

Years and years ago these anti christs cried
The main obstacle in the way of world peace and safety IS fundamental biblical christanity .
SO what did they do . REMOVED THE DIETY OF CHRIST to make him appear as at most a prophet .
YA CAN NEVER MERGE the religoins with A MINDSET that KNOWS WHO THE ALPAH and OMEGA IS
with those whose gods be false . YOU GOT TO REMOVE the diety of that VERY TRUE CHRIST JESUS
cause IS JESUS really be the alpha and omega
HOW can one say All religons really are serving the same GOD in different ways . YA CANT
cause IF JESUS IS WHO HE IS , THEN ITS OBVEIOUS the others areFALSE . SEEING GOD cannot lie
or deny HIMSELF . THESE anti christs will pay for their interfaith ways . I ONLY HOPE and pray THEY DO REPENT
before that DAY .

According to John the Apostle, the Antichrist doesn't deny the deity of Christ as you suggest. The Antichrist denies that Jesus is the Messiah having come in the flesh.

 

[David in NJ]

Years and years ago these anti christs cried
The main obstacle in the way of world peace and safety IS fundamental biblical christanity .
SO what did they do . REMOVED THE DIETY OF CHRIST to make him appear as at most a prophet .
YA CAN NEVER MERGE the religoins with A MINDSET that KNOWS WHO THE ALPAH and OMEGA IS
with those whose gods be false . YOU GOT TO REMOVE the diety of that VERY TRUE CHRIST JESUS
cause IS JESUS really be the alpha and omega
HOW can one say All religons really are serving the same GOD in different ways . YA CANT
cause IF JESUS IS WHO HE IS , THEN ITS OBVEIOUS the others areFALSE . SEEING GOD cannot lie
or deny HIMSELF . THESE anti christs will pay for their interfaith ways . I ONLY HOPE and pray THEY DO REPENT
before that DAY .

Satan's Plan A - REMOVE = "The main obstacle in the way of world peace and safety IS fundamental biblical christanity "

Satan's PLAN B - "REMOVE THE DIETY OF CHRIST to make him appear as at most a prophet"

Satan's PLAN C - REPLACE Truth with a LIE = "we the world are ONE in god and we the world all are of god = our god

Satan's PLAN D - Attack, assault, mock, reject the followers of the Holy Scriptures and the LORD Jesus Christ

Satans's PLAN E - Inact laws that call Good as Evil and protect Evil and call it Good and ARREST/KILL those who Oppose

 

[CadyandZoe]

ABSOLUTELY TRUE = a Singular Elohim that is comprised of 3 Elohim who are ECHAD = ONE

You did not get that idea from the word Elohim. As I said, the plural form designates more than one.

No finite human mind can comprehend this = it requires complete trust in every word that God Speaks to us

Trust in God's word requires an understanding of what he said.

P.S. Cady, a brother, is writing.

 

[amigo de christo]

According to John the Apostle, the Antichrist doesn't deny the deity of Christ as you suggest. The Antichrist denies that Jesus is the Messiah having come in the flesh.

that was not why i was calling them anti christs . THEY DO DENY JESUS IS THE CHRIST
they deny ONE MUST BELIEVE ,
but this is why they also had to remove the diety OF CHRIST .
that was why i called them anti christs . THEY all beleive in this fairy tale lie that GOD is in all relgions
and that it was men that messed it up and that really the religons are serving the same GOD .
BUt in order to break down christendom AND yes the false religons too
SO as you can MERGE THEM
you gonna have to remove any and all fundmental core doctrines . cause fundamental core doctrines
In all religoins CONTRADICT each other . SO you remove
core doctrines and all the while you keep mainly focused on a wordlyversion of love
IN WHICH ALL OF HUMANITY has in common . an idea about doing good to one another .
And all teh while you pump that in and you keep removing more and more core doctrines .
IT was slick . but satan is very wise and crafity .
The lambs wont heed him . All the seeker friendly , the rick warnen purspose driven life , which helped change Evanglisim
ALL of it was to lead us to interfaith and interfaith preaches the LIE that will merge them all as one .
We been getting duped for years by slick soudning , fake loving approaches , judge not and correct nots
and the leaven just kept building and a building till NOW
THIS PEOPLE IS READY TO MERGE as ONE with all , under that all religoins believe is GOD and LOVE
but it is anti christ . He had to convince CHRISTENDOM of the lie so as it could forever silence the truth of the gospel
and all the merged of anti christ will and are even now merging mroe and more to be as one .
ALL beleiving this finding common ground gonna usher in world peace in the middle east and the world .
IT WONT . its gonna usher in SUDDEN DESRUCTION UPON THEM ALL on the day of the LORD whom they denied .

 

[David in NJ]

Who says I am not trusting the word of God? You said it yourself: The word of God is the Holy Scriptures. So why do you accept the lie that "Word" indicates a person?

If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true. My view makes sense, i.e. that the Word of God is the scriptures, contrary to the erroneous Trinitarian doctrine, teaching that the word of God is one of three persons in a single being.

Okay, I like how you present evidence, and the evidence seems to defeat what I said, except for definition 2, which supports my contention that the noun should be understood as a singular "One True God." (Definition 2d) If Moses has employed the term "elohim" in reference to the One True God, then the term is singular, not plural.

Furthermore, considering definition 1a) rulers, judges, one can not argue that the plural form of the word conveys a headship consisting of a single entity with multiple members. The plural form indicates more than one ruler or more than one judge. Likewise, one can not construe definition 1b) as an indication of a single headship consisting of multiple angels or multiple gods. Therefore, the word elohim can not be construed to mean "a Godhead consisting of three persons" because a Godhead is not a plurality. According to Trinitarian belief, the Godhead is a single entity.

Who says I am not trusting the word of God? You said it yourself: The word of God is the Holy Scriptures. So why do you accept the lie that "Word" indicates a person?

Let us take a LOOK at the TRUTH together: John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God.

Who is this "He" who was with God in the Beginning???

 

[David in NJ]

You did not get that idea from the word Elohim. As I said, the plural form designates more than one.

Trust in God's word requires an understanding of what he said.

P.S. Cady, a brother, is writing.

P.S. Cady, a brother, is writing.

My apologies - THANK YOU for the update = My Brother