On the pre-existence of Jesus
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Brakelite
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I don't believe in spiritual death. I believe you get either Heaven or Hell. And Hell isn't death for those who suffer it.
You can delude yourself about that inner voice, but we all know, that we can only dream something God wants us to be. At best, we are given hints in dreams.
Brakelite
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I'm not talking about spiritual death. I'm talking about eternal death from which there is no resurrection. The wages of sin. The second death. Final destruction. God is not going to allow sinners to suffer eternally anywhere. That's a satanic evil lie that insults and blasphemer God's character.
David in NJ
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Brakelite
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That doesn't explain the changes that Christians experience, sometimes radical changes, throughout their lives. If the God I know, love, and worship doesn't have the power, or isn't interested enough to take away sin, addictions and save lives, then He isn't worth my time. I might as well go out, get drunk, stoned, and rob banks and shoot everyone I don't like. But that used to be me. I never robed a bank, but thought about it. I never killed anyone, but there's some i would have given the opportunity. But I am a very different person to what I used to be. I didn't change me. I'm a new person. Old things are passed away. That's on Jesus. No-one else can claim the credit for that. God is not on holiday. He hasn't left us to fate.
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David in NJ
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So my evil twin lives in Australia - ay!
Thank You Lord that they both died and by your Grace we Live in You!!!
David in NJ
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AGREE
How can they say that HE did not pre-exist as well in the Light of John 17:5
I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do.
And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
Brakelite
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Sorry, she's fixed. But I have a friend in NZ who breeds them.
David in NJ
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RLT63
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One of my K9 partners was a Sable Shepherd
Behold
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Heaven and Hell are destinations that are chosen by a person.
Hebrews 9:27 says that your body has an appointment and afterwards, your spirit that in your body, is going somewhere.
God has offered Jesus as the only Way to Heaven.
Jesus said.. "I am THE WAY to the Father, and no person comes to the Father except through me".
What is "through me"?
It simply means that our sin has separated us from God, and Jesus is offered to deal with it., and once He does, then God and US, are able to become "one".
This is : SALVATiON........and when we TRUST in Christ to deal with our sin, then God will cause the spirit in us to become "born... again".
And that is a : = CHRISTian.
One of the difficulties people have is separating the spiritual-Being/Soul from the human/flesh.
Many are wrongly taught that we are humans that have a soul, which is exactly backwards.
We are the soul/spiritual-Being, temporarily incarnated/incarcerated inside of the human body we see in the mirror.
Prince Michael/Christ (Christ is a title, given to Prince Michael, God's Eldest/Firstborn Son) has been here MANY times.
He absolutely met with Abraham while incarnated inside of Melchizedek, and even told us that during His later incarnation in the body of Jesus:
Genesis 14:18-20
14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem (Peace) brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the Most High God.
14:19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed [be] Abram by the Most High God, possessor of heaven and earth:
14:20 And blessed be the Most High God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
King of kings' Bible - John 8:44-49 (KJV - John 8:53-58)
8:44 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
8:45 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of Whom ye say, that He is your God:
8:46 Yet ye have not known Him; but I know Him: and if I should say, I know Him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know Him, and keep His saying.
8:47 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.
8:48 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet FIFTY years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
8:49 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am* (ch. 17:5).
*present tense, indicating pre-existence and continued existence
Melchi-zedek literally means the "King of Righteousness". Who could be both the King of Righteousness and the King of Peace except for Christ? And why would Christ follow after the order of Melchizedek if Melchizedek wasn't Christ during a previous incarnation? And who else can say they will continually be a priest other than Christ, THE High-Priest forever? All of the references in Hebrews to Melchizedek are absolutely telling us Christ is Melchizedek (The King of Righteousness and King of Peace).
Behold
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Man is "Tri-part".
Body
Soul
Spirit
The Spirit is the LIFE, and the actual "inner you" ... eternal you.....that is born again.. "spiritually", or not.
The Soul... is the Mind, Will, and Emotions.......
So, you have the body that contains the Spirit that is regenerated as a Son/Daughter of God and then you have the MIND.. that is the Soul..or the Soul Realm where your thinking and feelings exist.
Thats 3 Parts of a Human...........that correlate to God is 3<>ONE....
God is a TRI-UNE being... He is 3 in ONE.. and because we are "made in God's image".. "Likeness" then we are also 3<>ONE.
Body.
Soul
Spirit
We also find Christ, the Angel/Messenger of God (i.e. "the Word") leading Moses and the Israelites along The Way through the wilderness of sin for 40 years, en route to the Promised Land.
Exodus 23:20-23
23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in The Way (ch. 18:20; Deut. 11:28; 31:29; John 14:6), and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice (Mark 9:7), provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name [is] in him.
23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23:23 For Mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
Deuteronomy 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from The Way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall YOU in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the "I AM", to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.
Mark 9:7 And there was a "Cloud" that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the "Cloud", saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.
Exodus 23:20-23
23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in The Way (ch. 18:20; Deut. 11:28; 31:29; John 14:6), and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared.
23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice (Mark 9:7), provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for My name [is] in him.
23:22 But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
23:23 For Mine Angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in unto the Amorites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites: and I will cut them off.
Deuteronomy 31:29 For I know that after my death ye will utterly corrupt [yourselves], and turn aside from The Way which I have commanded you; and evil will befall YOU in the latter days; because ye will do evil in the sight of the "I AM", to provoke Him to anger through the work of your hands.
Mark 9:7 And there was a "Cloud" that overshadowed them: and a voice came out of the "Cloud", saying, This is my beloved Son: HEAR HIM.
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am The Way, the Truth, and the Life: NOT one man cometh unto the Father, EXCEPT by me.
No.
We are human+Beings, i.e. Spiritual-Beings/Souls that are temporarily incarnated inside the human body that we see in the mirror.
The soul (spiritual-Being) is connected to Father (God, NOT a "trinity") via the Holy Spirit, so that the Spirit (Holy Spirit) can guide the Soul to make the best decisions from a spiritual (self-less) perspective, i.e. to do what is GOOD in God's Eyes.
The flesh (human) is connected to Lucifer/Satan, who uses it to tempt us with worldly pleasures and treasures (selfishness), i.e. to do what is EVIL in God's Eyes.
It is up to each of us to choose the good over the evil (Deut. 30:15-20), but that requires that we understand who and what we are (John 3:3-7) and what we should be doing here on Earth (Ezek. 18; Matt. 6:10). That is the battle that is going on inside of each of us, for control of our minds.
Why do so many run to their MISINTERPRETATIONS of the letters of Paul, instead of reading, believing and digesting the Words of Christ?
Did Christ ever tell us we are "tri-part"? No. So if someone reads that into the letters of Paul, then they are not only saying that Paul contradicted Christ, but they are willfully choosing to place their misinterpretations of the letters of Paul ABOVE Christ's own words, spoken through the mouth of Jesus.
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Behold
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Look again.
Man is "Tri-part".
Body
Soul
Spirit
The Spirit is the LIFE, and the actual "inner you" ... eternal you.....that is born again.. "spiritually", or not.
The Soul... is the Mind, Will, and Emotions.......
So, you have the body that contains the Spirit that is regenerated as a Son/Daughter of God and then you have the MIND.. that is the Soul..or the Soul Realm where your thinking and feelings exist.
Thats 3 Parts of a Human...........that correlate to God is 3<>ONE....
God is a TRI-UNE being... He is 3 in ONE.. and because we are "made in God's image".. "Likeness" then we are also 3<>ONE.
Body.
Soul
Spirit
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