THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[Marvelloustime]

No lie is of the TRUTH .
but we both know you been dug into something else dont we . YOU better NEVER LIE to a muslim
or any other religoin . THEY DO NOT KNOW GOD , THEY ARE IN TOTAL DANGER OF HELLS FIRE
if they repent not to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST . Pope francis DOES do the work of anti christ .
Though i probably dont expect you to agree with that . Interfaith is satans glue and he has made it sound
like its for a good cause . BUT THAT IS HOW HE WORKS and HOW he seduces . Interfaith is of anti christ
whether ya believe it to be or not . FLEE IT and never look back and warn all of the dire NEED to BELEIVE JESUS IS THE CHRIST
and to observe ALL things HE did say .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

ANY who is partaker of intefaith is a partaker of the betrayal and denial of JESUS the CHRIST .
As far as not understanding the GOD head , so long as one dont deny the diety of CHRIST they are okay .
It is a concept that many have not learned . But if we go about trying to twist scrips to fit what men taught
THAT IS a mega red flag warning . SORRY BUD but the jws do that . they in deadly danger , i mean
deadly danger .

@amigo de christo

 

[IronMaiden]

The good news is, we do not have to believe in any trinity.to become Born Again..Praise God that we know this spiritual truth.

What does it mean to be born again? It means that you know that Jesus Christ died for you so that you could have eternal life.

@Ritajanice

 

[Aunty Jane]

What a deceitful and erroneous translation, that seeks to undermine the truth about the Godhead.

Any translation that alters original word meanings is an erroneous translation……the KJV is the major culprit. It’s bias is clearly evident when compared to later translations in modern English and in keeping with more up to date studies in linguistics. It’s an extinct dinosaur in this day and age.

I can see why the KJV ONLY crowd don’t want to let it go……it backs up all their errors. Anyone would think that the Bible was written in archaic English…..but it is the work of men…and flawed trinitarians to boot.

In the first century, there was no trinity…it developed gradually from the time of the early “church fathers”.

Time is the devil’s greatest weapon, coupled with the human propensity to repeat the same mistakes generation after generation. He counts on the flaws in our nature and uses them against us….but only if we let him.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness;
Genesis 1:26

Was the son in company with his Father in creation….? Absolutely! But in what capacity? Was the son “the Creator”? Show me one scripture that calls him “the Creator”…..he was by the Bible’s own words his Father’s “master workman”, (Prov 8:30-31) fashioning the raw materials that his Father brought into existence and producing the end result under his direction.

Col 1:15-17 reveals this also….
”He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.“ (NASB)

Explain how someone “visible” can be the image of someone “invisible”? It can only be in character and personality…..and if he is “the firstborn of all creation”, that makes him part of that creation (Rev 3:14)….and Jesus did nothing of himself, but only what his Father taught him (John 5:19)…..how then is he his Father’s equal?

All things were created “through him”…but not from him…..he is not the originator of creation but the facilitator of it.
Creation was God’s gift to his son, created “through him” and “FOR HIM”.

He is indeed the “us” and ”our” in Genesis 1:26….but this divine being is a servant of his God and Father. (Acts 4:27, 30) Can God be his own “holy servant”?

 

[Ritajanice]

f the betrayal and denial of JESUS the CHRIST

How can a Born Again deny Jesus?

When we have the indwelling Holy Spirit witnessing of Jesus to our spirit..I can never get away from Jesus, never would I ever want to.,The Holy Spirit is the Living witness to our Lord Jesus..no one can come to the Son except through the Father..
No belief in Jesus no spiritual rebirth period.

 

[Marvelloustime]

GOD does as HE DOES . many will weep and howl on the day of the LORD . and interfaith cannot deliver them or save them
IN FACT IT WILL BE WHAT BRINGS THE WRATH OF GOD DOWN UPON THEM ALL .
JESUS the CHRIST , the dire need to beleive on HIM has been DENIED
as it hollers our truth is no better than any other religoins .
And many within christendom are being influenced by it and its false finding common ground and they too
will fall prey to the lie . ALL not in the lambs book of life will worship the beast . but THE LAMBS WONT SISTER .
i expose pope francis for the wicked man of belial he and his interfaithers are . I DO pray HE repent
as i dont desire his death . SORRY rita but muslims , hindus , and otherdoes DO NOT KNOW GOD
and are UNDER ONLY the power and influecne of satan . ONLY ONE WAY to be freed from that satan and his power .
READ acts chapter twenty six . GOTTA BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . the born again DO .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

you sure about that ritajanice . You seem to sure be a loving what a certain man WHO IS TEACHING RELIGOIN
WHO IS teaching EGO , from his own pulpit .
ME , i say ITS BIBLE TIME SISTAH . lets love and embrace them beautiful words , WHO I KNOW GOD INSPIRED ,
and learn them well for ourselves .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Believing in the word 'trinity' is not important

Believing every word that proceeds from the Mouth of God is Eternal LIFE.

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only True God AND Jesus Christ whom You have sent" - John chapter 17

No eternal life in a 'jehovah'

Eternal Life is only in the FATHER AND SON AND HOLY SPIRIT

now who wants to be a part of satans interfaith that calleth GOD a liar . exactly . NO LAMB DOES that is for sure .
We are not of those who cling to a lie but to the T RUTH of every WORD OF THE LORD .

 

[David in NJ]

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now who wants to be a part of satans interfaith that calleth GOD a liar . exactly . NO LAMB DOES that is for sure .
We are not of those who cling to a lie but to the T RUTH of every WORD OF THE LORD .

How POWERFUL is this TRUTH for us who BELIEVE our FATHER's WORD

 

[Scott Downey]

God is the only Savior.

Christ is our Lord and Savior, as only God is the Savior, therefore Christ is God.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.

2 Samuel 22:3
The God of my strength, in whom I will trust; My shield and the horn of my salvation, My stronghold and my refuge; My Savior, You save me from violence.

Psalm 106:21
They forgot God their Savior, Who had done great things in Egypt,

Isaiah 19:20
And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.

Isaiah 43:3
For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place.

Isaiah 45:15
Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!

IF you do not agree, you deny Christ is the Savior.

2 Peter 1:1

​

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

 

[David in NJ]

God is the only Savior.

Christ is our Lord and Savior, as only God is the Savior, therefore Christ is God.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.

2 Samuel 22:3
The God of my strength, in whom I will trust; My shield and the horn of my salvation, My stronghold and my refuge; My Savior, You save me from violence.

Psalm 106:21
They forgot God their Savior, Who had done great things in Egypt,

Isaiah 19:20
And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.

Isaiah 43:3
For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place.

Isaiah 45:15
Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!

IF you do not agree, you deny Christ is the Savior.

2 Peter 1:1

​

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

The TRUTH of WHO is the TRUTH is everywhere in Scripture

 

[David in NJ]

God is the only Savior.

Christ is our Lord and Savior, as only God is the Savior, therefore Christ is God.

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord, And besides Me there is no savior.

2 Samuel 22:3
The God of my strength, in whom I will trust; My shield and the horn of my salvation, My stronghold and my refuge; My Savior, You save me from violence.

Psalm 106:21
They forgot God their Savior, Who had done great things in Egypt,

Isaiah 19:20
And it will be for a sign and for a witness to the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt; for they will cry to the Lord because of the oppressors, and He will send them a Savior and a Mighty One, and He will deliver them.

Isaiah 43:3
For I am the Lord your God, The Holy One of Israel, your Savior; I gave Egypt for your ransom, Ethiopia and Seba in your place.

Isaiah 45:15
Truly You are God, who hide Yourself, O God of Israel, the Savior!

IF you do not agree, you deny Christ is the Savior.

2 Peter 1:1

​

Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

This is how we know we KNOW = Exodus 20:1-3

And God spoke all these words, saying:
“I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
“You shall have no other gods before Me."

Who brought us out of bondage to sin Scott??? = the LORD = the LORD Jesus Christ

Compare to the jw NWT John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god

Scott - Someone is lying and it's not the Lord Jesus Christ and it's not the Apostles

 

[IronMaiden]

God is also our Redeemer. …and so is Christ Jesus.
Psalms 78:35 (NKJV) Then they remembered that God [was] their rock, And the Most High God their Redeemer.

 

[Aunty Jane]

We are not of those who cling to a lie but to the T RUTH of every WORD OF THE LORD .

The main problem, as I see it, is as old as time….who is “we”? Who is “us” and who is “them”?

@David in NJ What is “the truth” when “we” are all quoting scripture?
It’s all in the interpretation and satan knows how to create confusion.…6000 years of successful experience…are you a match?

Going back to the beginning of Christianity, what do we find?
Jesus presents himself to John B at the Jordan River for baptism, but he meets with a confused John who knows that his baptism is not for Jesus because it was an outward sign of repentance for sins committed against God’s Law Covenant….John knew that Jesus was sinless. But Jesus insists for ‘just this one time’ so that God’s will can take place.
Why did Jesus insist on his baptism?
What did it mean and what kind of baptism was necessary for Christians after that time?

Baptism was not practiced by Jews under their law…..this was something new, not like the Mikva (ritual washing) but a whole new concept…..a procedure that was figuratively picturing then end of one kind of life, and the beginning of another. John’s baptism was to prepare right hearted ones to accept their Messiah, but it didn’t wash away sins. So those who accepted Christ had to be baptized again as his disciple…..baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was the beginning of a new life, and a new way to serve the God of the Hebrew Bible.

Jesus presented himself to signal the beginning of his role as Messiah, and after he emerged from the water, God’s voice was heard approving of his actions, and the Holy Spirit came down upon him in a visible way so that people saw it In the form of a dove. Jesus the man, became Jesus the Christ. (anointed one)

So what “truths” did Jesus teach that fought with the things taught by the religious leaders of the day?

It had been several hundred years since God had sent a prophet to his people because he knew that they were incorrigible. He sent his son as the last prophet to his wayward nation, and the last opportunity for natural Jews to become partakers of the all that was originally offered to them……but God did not send his son to the self-righteous religious leaders in Israel…..he sent him to ”the lost sheep”….those whom the religious leaders did not consider worthy of their time and attention. These lost sheep were lost only because their shepherds were too busy looking after themselves to care about those who had difficult lives.
Jesus showed that every lost lamb was precious.

So what situation existed back then that shows us where we are right now? What are the “types and shadows” that Paul spoke about?
The accepted form of worship that had been grossly adulterated over hundreds of years and under the background of rebellion and disobedience by the descendants of Abraham, to whom God made his promise to bless all nations, was to change when Christ offered up his life, fulfilling the old covenant and introducing the new one, foretold by Jeremiah.

So now there was a new way to worship….one that did not involve the physical Temple, but would now introduce the grand spiritual Temple in heaven…

Paul wrote….
“For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.“ (Eph 2:18-21 ESV)

What do you notice in that statement?
Who are “fellow citizens WITH the saints”? These are also “members of God’s household”. The saints and Jesus Christ form the foundations of a whole structure that was destined to become “a holy temple in the Lord”….”a dwelling place for God by the spirit.”

So we have two groups here……we have “the saints” (“chosen ones”, “holy ones”, “elect”…whatever you want to call them) along with those who are fellow citizens in the household of God.

The saints will rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom whilst the other members of God’s household serve his interests, not in heaven but on earth, where God created us to live forever in the first place.

God’s purpose for the human race did not change because Adam sinned and threw us all under the bus….God organized a way to redeem us and to eradicate the sin that was born in us, sending his precious son to offer his life for ours….this is what the Kingdom is for…..it is the means to accomplish God’s original purpose for the human race, and to return us back to what we were supposed to have in the beginning.…sinless everlasting life In paradise.

Those ruling with Christ in heaven will assist him in bringing sinful mankind back into reconciliation with Yahweh. (Rev 20:6) It will take a thousand years to undo the damage that satan and the first humans inflicted, but in the end, God’s will is “done on earth as it is in heaven”….just as Jesus said.

It is with background that satan has tried very hard to hide the truth in thousands of different sects and denominations for those who profess to care about Jesus Christ….for the rest of humanity who want to worship their ancestral gods….well, that is their choice.

But the truth is hiding like a diamond in a pile of broken glass….how does one find that diamond? On our own it is impossible, but God is having his truth proclaimed throughout the world as “the good news of the Kingdom” being preached “in the entire inhabited earth” (Matt 24:14) so that when a willing and receptive heart is found, God himself will “draw” that one and invite them to become a member of his family, some of whom are invited to heaven….but the majority of whom will live the most wonderful life on an earth free of all evil, never to even remember it again.

“For look! I am creating new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be called to mind,
Nor will they come up into the heart“. (Isa 65:17)

The “new earth” is a new earthly society of redeemed humanity, ruled from “heaven” (God’s Kingdom) by the ones chosen by God for that role. (Rev 20:6)

We are all on either the right road or the wrong one…..but only God knows who are being “drawn” by him (John 6:44, 65) and whom he leaves as deceived pawns of the devil.…Jesus himself indicates that “few” are on the right road. (Matt 7:13-14) and that “many” will offer their excuses to the appointed judge, who will reject them with the words “I never knew you” (Matt 7:21-23)……none of us would want to hear that stinging rejection from the mouth of the one whom we profess to serve…..but the majority will…..what do the majority believe?

Food for thought….

 

[David in NJ]

The main problem, as I see it, is as old as time….who is “we”? Who is “us” and who is “them”?

@David in NJ What is “the truth” when “we” are all quoting scripture?

Going back to the beginning of Christianity, what do we find?
Jesus presents himself to John B at the Jordan River for baptism, but he meets with a confused John who knows that his baptism is not for Jesus because it was an outward sign of repentance for sins committed against God’s Law Covenant….John knew that Jesus was sinless. But Jesus insists for ‘just this one time’ so that God’s will can take place.
Why did Jesus insist on his baptism?
What did it mean and what kind of baptism was necessary for Christians after that time?

Baptism was not practiced by Jews under their law…..this was something new, not like the Mikva (ritual washing) but a whole new concept…..a procedure that was figuratively picturing then end of one kind of life, and the beginning of another. John’s baptism was to prepare right hearted ones to accept their Messiah, but it didn’t wash away sins. So those who accepted Christ had to be baptized again as his disciple…..baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was the beginning of a new life, and a new way to serve the God of the Hebrew Bible.

Jesus presented himself to signal the beginning of his role as Messiah, and after he emerged from the water, God’s voice was heard approving of his actions, and the Holy Spirit came down upon him in a visible way so that people saw it In the form of a dove. Jesus the man, became Jesus the Christ. (anointed one)

So what “truths” did Jesus teach that fought with the things taught by the religious leaders of the day?

It had been several hundred years since God had sent a prophet to his people because he knew that they were incorrigible. He sent his son as the last prophet to his wayward nation, and the last opportunity for natural Jews to become partakers of the all that was originally offered to them……but God did not send his son to the self-righteous religious leaders in Israel…..he sent him to ”the lost sheep”….those whom the religious leaders did not consider worthy of their time and attention. These lost sheep were lost only because their shepherds were too busy looking after themselves to care about those who had difficult lives.
Jesus showed that every lost lamb was precious.

So what situation existed back then that shows us where we are right now? What are the “types and shadows” that Paul spoke about?
The accepted form of worship that had been grossly adulterated over hundreds of years and under the background of rebellion and disobedience by the descendants of Abraham, to whom God made his promise to bless all nations, was to change when Christ offered up his life, fulfilling the old covenant and introducing the new one, foretold by Jeremiah.

So now there was a new way to worship….one that did not involve the physical Temple, but would now introduce the grand spiritual Temple in heaven…

HELLO @Aunty Jane,

The main problem, as I see it, is as old as time….who is “we”? Who is “us” and who is “them”?
@David in NJ What is “the truth” when “we” are all quoting scripture?

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the Glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
full of Grace and Truth.

"JESUS is the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = John 14:6 = "no one comes to the FATHER but thru JESUS"

It’s all in the interpretation and satan knows how to create confusion.…6000 years of successful experience…are you a match?

CORRECT - AND - the Holy Spirit, aka the Spirit of Truth, has all Power to withstand satan and his lies

This is why we need, must have, the Lord Jesus Christ = HE is the Savior for the whole world

It truly is heart breaking that only few receive JESUS/SALVATION

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

@amigo de christo
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A very peculiar coincidence? Nah.
Just seems odd to me ... I'm curious. You are always present to support whatever Amigo De Cristo posts, almost every post, within only minutes, he gets a like from you and or supportive scripture. He joined Sept. 12, 2020.. You joined 3 days later!
Are you guys married? Being from the UK doesn 't throw me off because it seems whenever he posts, you are right there. I doubt if you are in separate time zones 6-7 hours either.
A scenario of Amigo and wife might go something like this:
Amigo:"Okay honey, I logged another post"
Marveloustime: " I'll be right there ... you know I like and agree with everything you say". Nah, I don't think so. That would be like that movie Pleasantville where everyone was happy and in agreement with everything everyone did.
Now I have a very loving wife, but even she doesn't like everything I say; nor is she in agreement with me on every topic. Even if she was, she would not be posting right along with me side by side. So, thinking this through more,. likely you are not married.
>>> The other possibility is that you are Amigo de Christo, with a dual account - to like yourself and give yourself support.
It is very odd. Anyone else can check all your posts and see the two of you together as two peas in a pod.

Wow, I just examined over 100 of your posts - all in response to Amigo de Cristo.

 

[Aunty Jane]

God is the only Savior.

Christ is our Lord and Savior, as only God is the Savior, therefore Christ is God.

What is a savior? And can that word (“yāšaʿ” in Hebrew) be used to describe someone other than God or his Christ? It means a “deliverer” or “rescuer”.

At Judges 3:9 and in a host of other Scripture, this word is used. Ehud is decribed as a deliverer “yāšaʿ”.
At 1 Sam 23:2, 5, David is acting as a “deliverer”. (Same word)

So God being a “savior” sent his son as a “deliverer”, so both are accurately described as “saviors”.

 

[Aunty Jane]

HELLO @Aunty Jane,


And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the Glory as of the only begotten of the Father,
full of Grace and Truth.

"JESUS is the WAY the TRUTH the LIFE" = John 14:6 = "no one comes to the FATHER but thru JESUS"

And your responses are devoid of any evidence concerning the deity of the son, when the deity of the Father is clearly stated throughout the whole Bible.

What is there in the Scriptures you quote that in any way identifies the son as “”ho theos”?
He is all of those things stated above, but he is not God with a capital “G”….that is not the meaning of “theos”.
How many times are you to be confronted with the truth but deny it? Then you accuse us of doing exactly that. You are supporting an old Catholic doctrine whist condemning Catholic teachings….I just shake my head….
Nothing formulated and taught by the Catholic church is truth….not one thing.

CORRECT

This is why we need, must have, the Lord Jesus Christ = HE is the Savior for the whole world

He is indeed but sent by his God and Father because the Father is immortal and cannot die. If Jesus was not 100% Human, he could not have offered his life in exchange for ours. He had to die the same death as Adam, but unlike Adam he was promised a resurrection. And after 40 days of strengthening his disciples he returned to heaven at his Father’s right hand as prophesied by David. (Psalm 110:1-2)

It truly is heart breaking that only few receive JESUS/SALVATION

It is indeed but “why” is the question….? Why are those who call Jesus their Lord deceived?
And what is the lawlessness they practice?

 

[David in NJ]

And your responses are devoid of any evidence concerning the deity of the son, when the deity of the Father is clearly stated throughout the whole Bible.

What is there in the Scriptures you quote that in any way identifies the son as “”ho theos”?
He is all of those things stated above, but he is not God with a capital “G”….that is not the meaning of “theos”.
How many times are you to be confronted with the truth but deny it? Then you accuse us of doing exactly that. You are supporting an old Catholic doctrine whist condemning Catholic teachings….I just shake my head….
Nothing formulated and taught by the Catholic church is truth….not one thing.

He is indeed but sent by his God and Father because the Father is immortal and cannot die. If Jesus was not 100% Human, he could not have offered his life in exchange for ours. He had to die the same death as Adam, but unlike Adam he was promised a resurrection. And after 40 days of strengthening his disciples he returned to heaven at his Father’s right hand as prophesied by David. (Psalm 110:1-2)

It is indeed but “why” is the question….? Why are those who call Jesus their Lord deceived?
And what is the lawlessness they practice?

Question: Is the Lord Jesus Coming again?

 

[David in NJ]

And your responses are devoid of any evidence concerning the deity of the son, when the deity of the Father is clearly stated throughout the whole Bible.

What is there in the Scriptures you quote that in any way identifies the son as “”ho theos”?
He is all of those things stated above, but he is not God with a capital “G”….that is not the meaning of “theos”.
How many times are you to be confronted with the truth but deny it? Then you accuse us of doing exactly that. You are supporting an old Catholic doctrine whist condemning Catholic teachings….I just shake my head….
Nothing formulated and taught by the Catholic church is truth….not one thing.

He is indeed but sent by his God and Father because the Father is immortal and cannot die. If Jesus was not 100% Human, he could not have offered his life in exchange for ours. He had to die the same death as Adam, but unlike Adam he was promised a resurrection. And after 40 days of strengthening his disciples he returned to heaven at his Father’s right hand as prophesied by David. (Psalm 110:1-2)

It is indeed but “why” is the question….? Why are those who call Jesus their Lord deceived?
And what is the lawlessness they practice?

Why are those who call Jesus their Lord deceived?

@Wrangler

The only True God calls His Son Jesus, the Lord - also the FATHER calls Jesus "LORD of LORDS and KING of KINGS"

Therefore you are saying that God Himself is deceived and therefore a liar!!!

And what is the lawlessness they practice?

a.) Calling God a liar like you just did.
b.) Denying His only begotten SON as Lord and Savior over your life
c.) Speaking false doctrines such as "the Word was a god"
d.) Worshipping false gods and/or religions like Watchtower and RCC
e.) Denying the Eternal Existence of the Word that was with God
f.) Hating/despising/rejecting those who love the Lord Jesus Christ
g.) Rejecting Refusing the only Way and Truth and Life that you may be SAVED
h.) In summation = being a false witness and spreading lies about God

@CadyandZoe - Do you agree/follow with Watchtower?