Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[David in NJ]

in relation to the Trinity it is the unity and the solidarity, in mind, in heart, and in spirit between Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit.

Excellent Post but you left out the FATHER in this statement:

 

[David in NJ]

I think we might be talking past each other. Like, this seems generically true. No disagreement.

But what does it have to do with Israel's transition from polytheism to monotheism, or the quoted bit of Deuteronomy that I was talking about?

Their transition from believing in a Elohim that is plural but singular in sentence structure to purely monotheistic was the result of Jews
who were uncircumcised in their hearts rebelling against the Yahweh Elohim by killing off those who had the Spirit of Messiah in them.

“Therefore you are witnesses against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers’ guilt. Serpents, brood of vipers! How can you escape the condemnation of hell? Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

 

[Grailhunter]

And it does.
It's pretty clear that "us" and "our" doesn't mean "me" or "mine".

Genesis 1:26 NIV
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,
so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky,
over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over
all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Genesis 3:22 NIV
And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil.
He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God in the Old Testament. If you look at the words God and or Lord in the scriptures before they took His name out of the Old Testament it would say YHWH.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. Genesis 1:1

“You are the Lord, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you. Nehemiah 9:6

“You shall have no other gods before me. Exodus 20:3

To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other besides him. Deuteronomy 4:35

Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other. Deuteronomy 4:39

Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Deuteronomy 6:4

“See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand. Deuteronomy 32:39

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. Isaiah 37:20

I am the Lord; that is my name; my glory I give to no other, nor my praise to carved idols. Isaiah 42:8 (Of course they removed His name.)

“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me. Isaiah 43:10

I, I am the Lord, and besides me there is no savior. Isaiah 43:11

I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the Lord? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. Isaiah 45:21

Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9

That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60

There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20

Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22

And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord and said: “O Lord, the God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth. 2nd Kings 19:15

But I am the Lord your God from the land of Egypt; you know no God but me, and besides me there is no savior. Hosea 13:4

For you are great and do wondrous things; you alone are God. Psalm 86:10

 

[David in NJ]

I think we might be talking past each other. Like, this seems generically true. No disagreement.

But what does it have to do with Israel's transition from polytheism to monotheism, or the quoted bit of Deuteronomy that I was talking about?

Which part of Post 220 is "generically true"

 

[Grailhunter]

Excellent Post but you left out the FATHER in this statement:

Not sure what you mean

 

[David in NJ]

Not sure what you mean

Yaweh is the Lord
Yeshua the Son

This is why the Revelation of Who Yeshua is = "the Word that was God" is called Lord Jesus Christ

Yaweh Yeshau HaMashiach in Hebrew is Lord Jesus Christ in English

Yeshua called His Father = God = but never called Him 'Lord'

This is why we SEE this in the Apostles Letters = the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Ritajanice]

Pass by-the person is stunted @Taken.

J.

Overall, the Bible encourages believers to pursue spiritual growth, continually deepening their understanding of God's grace, participating in the expansion of His Kingdom, and actively contributing to the growth and maturity of the Christian community.

Top Bible Verses about Growth​

2 Peter 3:18 - But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

1 Timothy 4:15 - Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress.

Hebrews 5:12-14 - For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 6:1 - Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

Romans 5:2-6 - Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

Philippians 1:9 - And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,

Job 8:7 - And though your beginning was small, your latter days will be very great.

2 Corinthians 13:5-7 - Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! I hope you will find out that we have not failed the test. But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed.

1 Peter 2:1-3 - So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation-- if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.

Colossians 2:6-7 - Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

 

[Ritajanice]

You failed again.
And what is this accusatory garbage quoted above?

Wow!!!

@St. SteVen ..God is showing me how I keep going in and out of the Spirit...or another way of saying it is, not walking in the Spirit?

Do you think you keep doing the same, what does that mean to you?

Try not to google it...

One more abusive post and it will be IGNORE for you.

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Overall, the Bible encourages believers to pursue spiritual growth, continually deepening their understanding of God's grace, participating in the expansion of His Kingdom, and actively contributing to the growth and maturity of the Christian community.

Top Bible Verses about Growth​

2 Peter 3:18 - But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.

1 Timothy 4:15 - Practice these things, immerse yourself in them, so that all may see your progress.

Hebrews 5:12-14 - For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food, for everyone who lives on milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, since he is a child. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil.

Hebrews 6:1 - Therefore let us leave the elementary doctrine of Christ and go on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,

Romans 5:2-6 - Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly.

Philippians 1:9 - And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,

Job 8:7 - And though your beginning was small, your latter days will be very great.

2 Corinthians 13:5-7 - Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! I hope you will find out that we have not failed the test. But we pray to God that you may not do wrong—not that we may appear to have met the test, but that you may do what is right, though we may seem to have failed.

1 Peter 2:1-3 - So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up into salvation-- if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.

Colossians 2:6-7 - Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, rooted and built up in him and established in the faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.

 

[RLT63]

Appeal to Strawman. Reducing the argument to semantics. I said the trinity is not in the Bible. I did not say the word “trinity” is not in the Bible.

Rev 7:10 - (AMP) -and in a loud voice they cried out, saying,
“Salvation [belongs] to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb [our salvation is the Trinity's to give, and to God the Trinity we owe our deliverance].”

 

[St. SteVen]

Yahweh made it absolutely clear that He was the only God in the Old Testament.

The first Commandment of the Ten says that Israel is to have no other gods before Him.
Who are these other gods?

Is the Bible polytheistic? - Are there many gods, or only one?

We are all familiar with the first Commandment of the Ten given to Israel alone through Moses. “You shall have no other gods before [besides] me. - Exodus 20:3 NIV If there were other gods to have, that means there were other gods. Right? Therefore the Bible is making a polytheistic claim...

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[RedFan]

The first Commandment of the Ten says that Israel to to have no other gods before Him.
Who are these other gods?

Is the Bible polytheistic? - Are there many gods, or only one?

We are all familiar with the first Commandment of the Ten given to Israel alone through Moses. “You shall have no other gods before [besides] me. - Exodus 20:3 NIV If there were other gods to have, that means there were other gods. Right? Therefore the Bible is making a polytheistic claim...

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My guess is, the national gods of rival states mentioned in Deut. 4:7.

 

[Taken]

RLT63 ~

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Rev 7:10 - (AMP) -and in a loud voice they cried out, saying,
“Salvation [belongs] to our God who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb [our salvation is the Trinity's to give, and to God the Trinity we owe our deliverance].”

Yet another verse disproving the trinity. Rev 7:10 indicates salvation is not a function of 3 Beings but 2, YHWH in conjunction with his lamb.

It’s telling that you invoke an extreme eisegesis translation that amplifies its trinitarian doctrine into unitarian text.

 

[Grailhunter]

The first Commandment of the Ten says that Israel is to have no other gods before Him.
Who are these other gods?

False Gods

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
The first Commandment of the Ten says that Israel is to have no other gods before Him.
Who are these other gods?

False Gods

What does that mean?
- Make-believe? (fictional)
- A mere distraction?
- Actual entities of the spiritual realm?

Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?

We recognize the one true God, creator of heaven and earth. Beside Him there should be no other. Wait, should be? Doesn't that tell us right there that there are other gods? How many and for what purposes? How many of these entities in the spiritual realm are there? In ancient times there...

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[Taken]

Other gods…
Pretty much what anyone MAKES / Decides is “Their” god, they worship and can’t fathom living without.

There are particular things man requires to sustain his natural life…
It is the Worshiping of a person or thing thereof that is the prominence in question…

Bowing down To or Before persons or things is an outward gesture to indicate worshipping of the person or thing.

Bowing down in Worship to the Almighty God, Who is omnipresent, does not require the presence of another person or thing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Grailhunter]

St. SteVen said:
The first Commandment of the Ten says that Israel is to have no other gods before Him.
Who are these other gods?

What does that mean?
- Make-believe? (fictional)
- A mere distraction?
- Actual entities of the spiritual realm?

Is the claim of only one God false? - How many gods are there?

We recognize the one true God, creator of heaven and earth. Beside Him there should be no other. Wait, should be? Doesn't that tell us right there that there are other gods? How many and for what purposes? How many of these entities in the spiritual realm are there? In ancient times there...

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Like Alah there were false gods in the Old Testament that people worshipped

 

[RLT63]

Yet another verse disproving the trinity. Rev 7:10 indicates salvation is not a function of 3 Beings but 2, YHWH in conjunction with his lamb.

It’s telling that you invoke an extreme eisegesis translation that amplifies its trinitarian doctrine into unitarian text.

Eph 1:13 - In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

 

[St. SteVen]

Like Alah there were false gods in the Old Testament that people worshipped

But not today?
Who do Buddhists and Hindus worship?

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[Ritajanice]

◄ 1 Corinthians 12:3 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Therefore I want you to know that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, “Jesus be cursed,” and no one can say, “Jesus is Lord,” except by the Holy Spirit.