THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[RLT63]

I’m trying to get my head around that one..

Jesus is the word..what does that mean?

In John chapter one the Word was with God and the Word was God,
John the Baptist prepared the way and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.
Who else could the Word be?

 

[David in NJ]

God gave birth to our spirit..yes he did.

I have a flesh father.

I have a Spirit Father..?

EXCELLENT

YES YES YES - God gave New Birth to our "spirits" but not to our flesh bodies = that is Coming NEXT

John 1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[RLT63]

We are Born Again in our spirit..Gods imperishable /incorruptible seed is what our spirit has been Born Again of,
We are Alive in Christ, Alive in our spirit.

So I rebuke your opinion.

How do you communicate with God, by whose Living witness ?

It's not my opinion you're rebuking, it's scripture

 

[RLT63]

EXCELLENT

YES YES YES - God gave New Birth to our "spirits" but not to our flesh bodies = that is Coming NEXT

John 1:10-13
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name:
who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

God has many sons but only one begotten Son

 

[RedFan]

God has many sons but only one begotten Son

I think you should describe the difference!

 

[Ritajanice]

It's not my opinion you're rebuking, it's scripture

You are rebuking scripture I posted.

Therefore I rebuke your opinion..

Look at David’s post to me, we are both in harmony with the Spirit..

John 3

King James Version
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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

 

[David in NJ]

God has many sons but only one begotten Son

BINGO

Let's SAY it again, together everyone, LOUD & CLEAR = "the ONLY begotten Son of the FATHER"

 

[Ritajanice]

BINGO

Let's SAY it again, together everyone, LOUD & CLEAR = "the ONLY begotten Son of the FATHER"

Also.
A Born Again / Saint are joint heirs with Christ.

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

 

[Scott Downey]

I think you should describe the difference!

Begotten, would be of Himself, having His nature, so then God. The form of God.
I think they way things are written are for us, our understanding.
Christ = equal with God.
Decided to come down from heaven, leave his glory behind with the Father, and be our Savior, what a great love that is to be born as a man and die for our sins.

The Humbled and Exalted Christ​

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[David in NJ]

Also.

John 3​

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King James Version​

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3 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit

This TRUTH you posted is why we SING PRAISE to the LORD Jesus Christ and to the FATHER for His Great Love for us in His SON

For If the SON sets you FREE, then you are FREE indeed.

The FATHER and the Holy Spirit always direct us back to the WORD that was God in the Beginning.

 

[David in NJ]

@Ritajanice
i have to go for now

SHALOM my Sister in Christ
SHALOM to the Brethren @RLT63 @Scott Downey @Brakelite and ALL who call on the Name above all names

 

[keithr]

Here's another verse that is contrary to the Trinity doctrine:

Hebrews 9:24 (WEB):

(24) For Christ hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;​

Hebrews 9:24 (ASV):

(24) For Christ entered not into a holy place made with hands, like in pattern to the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear before the face of God for us:​

How can Jesus be God if Jesus has appeared in front of God, before His face, or in His presence?

 

[Ritajanice]

We are all growing in Spirit knowledge..just because we have no understanding of some spiritual matters ,doesn’t mean we aren’t Born Again.

That is what the Spirit has shown me ,these past few days.

We all grow at different rates , plus it’s all in God’s timing.imo.

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not arguing for the Trinity, I'm saying Jesus is the Word.
Plenty of scriptures declare that Jesus is God.

Not one verse says Jesus is God. Not one verse says Jesus is the word! And I see you are still dodging the question of the importance of believing your doctrine from the POV of Scripture verses?

 

[Wrangler]

Who else could the Word be?

No one. Words are WHAT’s not WHO’s.

 

[RedFan]

Begotten, would be of Himself, having His nature, so then God. The form of God.
I think they way things are written are for us, our understanding.
Christ = equal with God.
Decided to come down from heaven, leave his glory behind with the Father, and be our Savior, what a great love that is to be born as a man and die for our sins.

The Humbled and Exalted Christ​

5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it [b]robbery to be equal with God, 7 but [c]made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I see "begotten" as functionally equivalent to "spawned," "brought into existence" or "generated." Quaere how that applies to Christ. He is described as the "only begotten" (μονογενής) in order to emphasize His uniqueness -- but I'm looking to separate the μονο and the γενής and only focus on the latter. It has the connotation of "born."

The concept of "eternally begotten" is among the most difficult to understand. If the Father spawned or generated or brought into existence the Son, that suggests activity. And activity suggests an action of the actor. We don't easily grasp an "action" that has always been and that didn't take place in time.

So here we have the Son existing in glory with the Father before the world began (John 17:5). Was "time" even a "thing" before the world existed?

 

[JLB]

First off the word God is erroneous. God is a loose term for a divine position, not a proper name. The Hebrew word for God means God, and false gods and goddesses. That is why the Hebrews/Israelites very seldom used God in the original scriptures to refer to Yahweh.

If you are looking for a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua as in a Gods are they different….At times the Apostles referred to Yahweh as God and Yeshua as Lord….But what does that mean? At times the New Testament portrays Yeshua as the Creator God but in the Old Testament Yahweh said not only was He the only God but there was no one like Him.

For me that means that Yahweh is not a liar and whatever is said in the New Testament about Yeshua being the Creator God there has to be more to the story. That does not diminish that Yeshua is a God.

But the scriptures do not get into this in detail. Christ did say that the Father is greater than He and Yahweh never prayed to Yeshua or asked Him questions, then others try to promote Yeshua as God Almighty.

Is there a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit?....we can speculate but I am just going to call them “Gods” in unity….the Trinity…Tri-unity….not Triune....Tri-one.

I believe that Yahweh is senior to Yeshua and the Holy Spirit and I believe that there is a part of Yahweh in every atom. Where as Yeshua is the Son of God, a full fledged God and the Holy Spirit is an undefined, unnamed God but no more a spirit than Yahweh or Yeshua with the role as guide and faith and strengthener and nurturer that communicate directly to us. Again….speculation

Again my question was simple.


Do you believe Jesus Christ is LORD; YHWH the LORD God?


A simple yes or no.


I honestly don’t know where you stand by reading your posts.

 

[JLB]

Not an answer to my question.

Colossians 1:16-17
New Living Translation
16 for through him God created everything
in the heavenly realms and on earth.
He made the things we can see
and the things we can’t see—
such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world.
Everything was created through him and for him.
17 He existed before anything else,
and he holds all creation together.

English Standard Version
16 For by[a] him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. 17 And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

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Footnotes

Colossians 1:16 That is, by means of; or in

Complete Jewish Bible
16 because in connection with him were created all things — in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, lordships, rulers or authorities — they have all been created through him and for him. 17 He existed before all things, and he holds everything together.

What do you believe The Son was before He became flesh?

 

[Wrangler]

What do you believe The Son was before He became flesh?

An invalid question, implying a premise not in evidence. There is no there there. A twinkle in his father’s eyes - as all son’s are before they are created.

Jeremiah 1:5 applies to Jesus as well as us. “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations. @Matthias as written extensively about the notion of existing only in the mind of Jesus’ God, YHWH.

 

[RedFan]

An invalid question, implying a premise not in evidence. A twinkle in his father’s eyes - as all son’s are before they are created.

Twinkle in the eye? Then what "glory" did that "twinkle" enjoy with the Father before the world existed (John 17:5)?