Dan Clarkston
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God's moral law has not been done away with under the New Testament.
Some things are sin under OT and NT such as murder, stealing, lying, adultery, etc, etc
Sinless perfection is easy
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God's moral law has not been done away with under the New Testament.
Some things are sin under OT and NT such as murder, stealing, lying, adultery, etc, etc
Yes I saw your post, and Romans 6:14 preceeds that part where he is speaking of the law and the motions of sins which were by the law while yet in the flesh but under grace he says
Grace and the working of sin
Romans 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Notice he is speaking to them who know the law
Romans 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
And when we were in the flesh
Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
Carnal, sold under sin
Romans 17:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
In Romans 7:5 Paul writes, when we were in the flesh
In Romans 8:9 he tells them they are not
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Ronald David Bruno
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1. Can we agree that Christ died for all our sins, past, present and future?
2. If so, being "in Christ", spiritually, we are without sin. So it is a done deal. If there is no LAW, there is no sin. We are under Grace, therefore the scripturebis true, we cannot sin.
3. We died to our flesh - where sin dwells in the members of. We died to a sinful nature. However, we still are walking around in our flesh AND doing the same things as non-believers do. If we are given an opportunity to love someone, a neighbor and we say no and move on, isn't that a sin? Christ commanded us to love our neighbors... even our enemies and WE DO NOT ALWAYS OBEY THAT COMMAND.
4. We therefore have two nature's that are in a battle. The flesh wars against the spirit and vice versa ... until we truly are physically dead and apart from our flesh.
5. Therefore, though our spirits have been purified which enables us at any moment to be absent the body and present with the Lord; until we die, we confess our sins. If we don't, are we not hypocrites who do the same things as unbelievers?
2. If so, being "in Christ", spiritually, we are without sin. So it is a done deal. If there is no LAW, there is no sin. We are under Grace, therefore the scripturebis true, we cannot sin.
3. We died to our flesh - where sin dwells in the members of. We died to a sinful nature. However, we still are walking around in our flesh AND doing the same things as non-believers do. If we are given an opportunity to love someone, a neighbor and we say no and move on, isn't that a sin? Christ commanded us to love our neighbors... even our enemies and WE DO NOT ALWAYS OBEY THAT COMMAND.
4. We therefore have two nature's that are in a battle. The flesh wars against the spirit and vice versa ... until we truly are physically dead and apart from our flesh.
5. Therefore, though our spirits have been purified which enables us at any moment to be absent the body and present with the Lord; until we die, we confess our sins. If we don't, are we not hypocrites who do the same things as unbelievers?
Dan Clarkston
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You future sins are NOT automatically forgiven.
This is what false teachers such as gnarly Charlie Stanley preaches which turns the grace of our lord in to lawlessness causing people to believe after getting saved they can continue living in sin and it's all good.
Is this where you tell us the false, unbiblical gnostic belief that your body goes out and does sinful stuff... but that was not you?
Behold
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God does not charge sin to the born again.
Notice Paul's teaching..
2 Corin 5:19
Romans 4:8
So, Why not?
See The CROSS..........for the update on why Sin is not charged to the BORN..........again.
"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... = ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"..
"ETERNAL"... means FOREVER, for all time.......without end.
"ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN".. is JESUS.
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Ronald David Bruno
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Christ died for all futures sins too not even committed almost 2k years ago. I was born in 1955. It has to be all sins! Otherwise you would have to each day and after each sin (that you may not even be aware of or identify as one) pray and ask forgiveness for many times each day. And then if you died suddenly without an upbto the moment confession ... oh well, you have a sin on your record a d you are now disqualified.
No, Paul will teach you about that in Romans 7:19-25
For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
Our spirits God has redeemed, but the redemption of the body not yet. Not until the resurrection
The body of death is due to sin and is why it perishes, this goes all the way back to Genesis and the fall.
The sins we do in the body of flesh, but we do not sin in the spirit if we have become new creations in Christ.
That new spirit God created is the new man created in righteousness and holiness and cannot sin.
Romans 8 we are spiritually alive and His when we are born again and believe.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
The spirit is born of God and cannot sin. This is very clear.
The body of death is due to sin and is why it perishes, this goes all the way back to Genesis and the fall.
The sins we do in the body of flesh, but we do not sin in the spirit if we have become new creations in Christ.
That new spirit God created is the new man created in righteousness and holiness and cannot sin.
Romans 8 we are spiritually alive and His when we are born again and believe.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
1 John 3:9
Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
The spirit is born of God and cannot sin. This is very clear.
Behold
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The born again Spirit, is the literal "Son/Daughter" of God who is..... 'in Christ".. "one with God"..."seated in Heavenly places"... and there is no sin found there.
"for His seed remains in him"
Jesus said He will never leave us or forsake, but we can leave him, wander away from Christ. But if we are HIS, He will come for us and bring us back to Himself.
If we continually refuse repentance, then we were never His at all.
The basic idea here,
1 Peter 2:25
For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Jesus said He will never leave us or forsake, but we can leave him, wander away from Christ. But if we are HIS, He will come for us and bring us back to Himself.
If we continually refuse repentance, then we were never His at all.
The basic idea here,
1 Peter 2:25
For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.
Benediction, Final Exhortation, Farewell
20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 make you [a]complete in every good work to do His will, working in [b]you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
Dan Clarkston
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Forgiveness is only applicable when we confess our sin to the Lord and forsake out sin.
Those not doing so are corrupt and are on the hook for their sin.
If what you are claim was actually true, then we can all go live in sin and still be saved... which is doctrines of demons.
Wrong again... Romans 7 man says he is "sold under sin" which is a man that has not been born again and / or a man that got born again and turned away from walking in agreement with the Lord and went back to weakling with the devil in sinful behavior.
The answer to Romans 7 is... Romans 8
Romans 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
God's Word is very clear that OSAS is heresy... those that follow that heresy will have an eternal future very different from what their false teachers have indoctrinated them to believe.
Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
More doctrines of demons coming thru the gnostics who taught "that was my body out there doing sinful stuff... not me!"
Dan Clarkston
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But Jesus did say the He is the Vine and we are the branches... and it's the Father that owns the Vine
John 15:1
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
John 15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is CUT OFF, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, IF thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
Claiming those that fall away were never on the vine to begin with is more doctrines of devils.
It's sad to see so many being deceived by satan's favorite deception... OSAS
Those being deceived by OSAS are to blame because they refuse to be FULL GOSPEL and instead they choose to remain cherry pickers who do not accept the whole counsel of God.
That will end badly for those people. Sad and pathetic as they have zero excuse for their ignorance!
Ronald David Bruno
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Absolutely, in our time domain. God is not confined to his physical creation of which TIME is part of. This why you can't wrap your mind around the concept of His elect, chosen before the foundation of the world.
Spiritually, another absolute. But Paul was discussing the ongoing war between the flesh and the spirit. The unbeliever does not expeeience this battle/tension - he loves his ways, goes with the temptation willingly.
BTW, the beginning of Rom. 7 speaks to brothers, reflects on when we were carnal, then shifts back to this apparent war.
" For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. 22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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Dan Clarkston
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Now you have gone to regurgitating false calvinist doctrine... which is like vomit before the Lord as calvinism is doctrines of demons.
Hang in their man... maybe you come to know the Truth of God's Word one of these days.
No, Romans 7 man is not a born again child of God.
Feel free to believe your flesh has a mind of it's own and just goes out and does sin sometime and you can't do anything to stop it as you believe you have no power over your own body
True Christians are over comers!
Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
People that follow the demonic OSAS doctrine and demonic calvinist doctrine cannot be trusted... because they might bust out in to sinful behavior at any moment and murder someone as they are controlled be demonic forces and are not led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.
These people actually believe they cannot control themselves and that they have dark sinful desires lurking inside of them that can manifest at any moment without warning!
I wouldn't let these people in my house!
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quietthinker
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Are they around the corner also?
One thing has come to light though, being cornered makes 'em mad because Romans 7, well, let me put it this way, Paul identifies himself as not in the past, but blow me down, as in the present!
I wonder if he would let people like himself in the house?
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Eternally Grateful
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8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us
Dan Clarkston
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Not if you keep reading as the Lord teaches thru Pal from Roman 7 into Romans 8
Paul is still sorry for his past sin and has Godly sorrow - see 2 Cor 7:10
If Paul lived in sin as the false OSAS teachers claim, then he is in hell right now....
which is foolishness but the OSAS people roll in foolishness
CadyandZoe
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Yes, it was. He said, "who will set me free from this body of death." As of writing, by his own admission, he hadn't been set free.
Dan Clarkston
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What kind of sin was Paul in to???
Was he gay? A drunk? Was he on drugs? Did he run some hookers on the side to raise money for his ministry?
Reckon he spent time nekkid in the gay Roman bath houses?
Just curious what all sin Paul was into and can you show where he engaged in sinful behavior?
Incorrect-read Romans 6,7 and 8 and you tell me if Paul was an habitual sinner-back to basic Hebrew and Greek grammar.
I prefer not to waste my time and would rather focus on engaging with one or two members I can genuinely trust.
J.
Romans 7:24-25 KJV
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Paul gives the answer right there. Who shall deliver me from the body of death? Jesus did. Otherwise he would not be saying that with the mind he serves the law of God, even though the flesh remains corrupted by sin.
He reinforces this in
1 Corinthians 4:4 KJV
For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
declaring a clean conscience. He does not go on to say he's sinless, leaving that for Jesus to determine.
Much love!
