THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

[TheHC]

Not saying that at all. I am only saying that perhaps the Devil misjudged Jesus's resolve.

Yeah, the Devil did misjudge Jesus’ resolve, you’re right.

The Devil tried, though… he wouldn’t have, if he didn’t think there was a chance, ie., thought Jesus was God.

A few times, when Jesus was casting out demons from possessed Jews, these demons said to Jesus, “We know exactly who you are, the Holy One of God.”

Never once did they call him ‘God’.
As “sons of God” themselves, albeit rebellious & alienated, they knew who Jesus was…. their former big brother.


Did you know the Bible says Jesus has brothers?

Would God have brothers

 

[Heart2Soul]

I didn't read all of your posts @Grailhunter but it is my understanding that we are all one in Christ. The body of Christ, all functioning separately but as one. This suggests to me that we are one in "spirit".
And in the same way are Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Functioning separately as one.
When the disciples asked Jesus when the end would come and He would return again He said only the Father knows...not even did He know when that day would come. So this suggests they are separate in knowing all things. Only the Father knows when that day will come. Only the Father is called Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscience....only Jesus is called the Lamb of God, Savior, and Lion of Judah. Only the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth, manifests the Gifts of the Spirit, and bears the Fruit of the Spirit.
Each are identified separately yet all three are unified as one.

 

[Aunty Jane]

it is my understanding that we are all one in Christ. The body of Christ, all functioning separately but as one. This suggests to me that we are one in "spirit".

Are you serious? How does a dismembered body function? The body of Christ must be united as Paul said…
1 Cor 1:10….
”Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”
By what stretch of whose imagination does Christendom fit that description? Could it be more disunited?

And in the same way are Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Functioning separately as one.

These are definitely in union with one another…..but there is no scripture that says all three are God.
If there was a direct statement from either God or his son that they were equally deity along with the Holy Spirit, then surely it would be an unequivocal statement…but this issue still rages because there is not one verse where Jesus and his Father and the Holy Spirit are said to be equally God. There are many suggestions about badly translated verses, but nothing even close to a direct statement. If there was we would have no argument.

When the disciples asked Jesus when the end would come and He would return again He said only the Father knows...not even did He know when that day would come. So this suggests they are separate in knowing all things. Only the Father knows when that day will come. Only the Father is called Omnipotent, Omnipresent and Omniscience....only Jesus is called the Lamb of God, Savior, and Lion of Judah. Only the Holy Spirit is called the Spirit of Truth, manifests the Gifts of the Spirit, and bears the Fruit of the Spirit.
Each are identified separately yet all three are unified as one.

Each are identified as separate, but again the unity never states that these three are one and the same God….how does one part of God not know what another part of the same being knows?

How can one part of God have a different will to his other self?

How is it that one part of God can be a “mediator between God and men” and still be God? Why don’t we need a mediator between us and Jesus?

Is there no logic that can counter the indoctrination that goes with this ingrained belief, centuries old….but which was never true?

I have to wonder if you hear yourselves?

 

[Scott Downey]

Which came first - the chicken or the egg?

No one is born-again by the Spirit except thru...................................???

What does the scripture say???

Being born again comes first, it is the first step and necessary to be saved.
Our faith God has granted as His gift to those He has elected, chosen beforehand. A faith not of yourself being the gift of God, but like any gift given, it is then become your faith.

Ephesians 1

Redemption in Christ​

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, 4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, 5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

Philippians 1
29 For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
30 having the same conflict which you saw in me and now hear is in me.

And that is why you trusted in Christ.
Look at how Ephesians is written, We are told about How God chose us in Him before the foundation of the world.
And that is why in our time we trusted in Christ, which sealed us into our salvation.

Ephesians 1
13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

Being born again is something Jesus said not to marvel over, it is the work of God, and His work is that you believe in Christ.
And it is not under your control, it is under His, the Spirit's control.

Nicodemus was not a believer when Jesus told him how man must be born again, and since he was not born again, Nicodemus did not yet believe in Christ.

John 3
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.

When a man is born again they are of God and hear God and believe in Christ as God has done His work in them, and His work is that you believe in Christ. God's WORD does not get spoken in vain, but accomplishes the purposes for which He sent it. He does this by making you born of God.

If you are not of God you will not hear God, and you will not believe in the Son.
John 8:47 He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

John 5
38 But you do not have His word abiding in you, because whom He sent, Him you do not believe. 39 You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. 40 But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.

41 “I do not receive honor from men. 42 But I know you, that you do not have the love of God in you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

To have God's word abiding in you, means you are of God, that He has made you born again. Otherwise you will not be willing to come to Christ.

Nowhere will you find that being born again saved you, you must still come to Christ in belief, but being born again you are now of God, and will hear God and follow Christ.

Jesus said of the other sheep He has this, and these had not yet heard of Him, yet they are still His sheep. They are His sheep because God has given them to Christ. And they don't even know they are His sheep, but when they hear Him, then they will believe in Christ.

Hebrews 2
13 And again,

“I will put my trust in him.”[i]
And again he says,

“Here am I, and the children God has given me.”[j]

John 10
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus dies for the sheep and He's the great Shepherd of the Sheep, and only the sheep, no one else.

1 Peter 1
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

Praise to God for a Living Hope​

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, 5 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time. 6 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.

10 Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, 11 trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow. 12 It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things.

 

[Aunty Jane]

All scripture that glorifies God connects to the Lord
There is only One Lord = the Lord Jesus Christ

”Lord” is a title of respect….it is not another name for Yahweh.

“There are many gods and many lords” according to Paul who spoke for the apostles collectively….but he clarified his statement…..”there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; AND there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.” (1 Cor 8:5-6)

So there are two mentioned here, not three…and only one is God….the Father. Was Paul telling lies?

The Bible speaks of Yahweh as the “Lord of Hosts” and Jesus refers to his Father as “Lord of heaven and earth”. (Matt 11:25)

Abraham addressed his God as “Lord God”…or in the Jewish Tanakh….
בוַיֹּ֣אמֶר אַבְרָ֗ם אֲדֹנָ֤י יֱהֹוִה֙ מַה־תִּתֶּן־לִ֔י וְאָֽנֹכִ֖י הוֹלֵ֣ךְ עֲרִירִ֑י וּבֶן־מֶ֣שֶׁק בֵּיתִ֔י ה֖וּא דַּמֶּ֥שֶׂק אֱלִיעֶֽזֶר:
We see the Tetragrammaton in the Hebrew text making his words directed to “Yahweh God”.

Have you not noticed that when the title “LORD” is used in the OT, it is in capital letters? This indicates where the Tetragrammaton was substituted with Adonai….meaning “Lord”….the Jews refused to utter God’s name when he expressly told them to retain through all their generations. (Exodus 3:13-15)
If the divine name had been retained, the trinity would never have surfaced.
John 1:1 would read….
”In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was divine.”

Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place
and gave Him the name above all names,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

You apparently read right over what it says without thinking about what it’s actually saying….
God exalted God?.…and gave him the name above all names?…despite the fact there is no name higher than what God already has…. (Psalm 83:18) …so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow….is bending the knee an act of worship?…or an act of respectful submission?
When those who are showing their submission to Christ and his kingship, who is getting the glory? Not Jesus…it is his Father.

"Without faith it is impossible to please God"

It’s a shame you have to resort to ‘yelling’……a sure sign that you are frustrated and out of any reasonable defensive argument.

Without truth it is also impossible to please God. Who is your faith in? The only true God….or a very foreign substitute created by God’s enemy? Jesus does not know the god you worship and neither does his Father…that god originated outside of scripture…..he is just not there.

 

[TheHC]

According to Acts 17:3, the Apostle Paul “reasoned with” others “from the Scriptures.”

So let’s reason on these Scriptures you quoted….

Jhn 5:18 - Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

First of all, the murderous Jews were making this argument. This was their claim.
Those Jews were liars, filled with hatred & bias. Their claim was empty….for they, too, called God their Father. - John 8:41

Jhn 10:33 - The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not;but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Look at the context, the following verses.
(This is another one of those misconstrued verses by biased translators. “Ho theos”, ie., “THE God, is not found here in John 10:33, only “theos”, ie., “a god”.)

What was Jesus’ rebuttal? His quote of Psalm 82:6 answered their accusation, because what these Jews really said was, “you, a mere man, make yourself a god.” (Otherwise, Jesus’ rebuttal [regarding lower-case “gods”] makes no sense.)

Because of this, on p. 344, United Bible Societies, 1980, states
"Purely on the basis of the Greek text, therefore, it is possible to translate [John 10:33] 'a god,' as NEB does, rather than to translate God, as TEV and several other translations do. One might argue on the basis of both the Greek and the context, that the Jews were accusing Jesus of claiming to be 'a god' rather than 'God.' "-

Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary, p. 62 avers
"`makest thyself a god,' not `God' as in C.V. [King James Version or `Common Version'], otherwise the definite article would not have been omitted, as it is here, and in the next two verses, -- `gods .. gods,' where the title is applied to magistrates, and others ...."

This fact is also admitted by the well known Trinitarian NT scholar C. H. Dodd:
"making himself a god." - The Interpretation of the Fourth Gospel, p. 205, Cambridge University Press, 1995 reprint.

"We are not going to stone you for any good deed, but for your blasphemy. You, a mere man, claim to be a god." New English Bible (NEB).


You are using a biased translation here, cousin.

 

[Scott Downey]

According to Acts 17:3, the Apostle Paul “reasoned with” others “from the Scriptures.”

So let’s reason on these Scriptures you quoted….


First of all, the murderous Jews were making this argument. This was their claim.
Those Jews were liars, filled with hatred & bias. Their claim was empty….for they, too, called God their Father. - John 8:41


Look at the context, the following verses.
(This is another one of those misconstrued verses by biased translators. “Ho theos”, ie., “THE God, is not found here in John 10:33, only “theos”, ie., “a god”.)

What was Jesus’ rebuttal? His quote of Psalm 82:6 answered their accusation, because what these Jews really said was, “you, a mere man, make yourself a god.” (Otherwise, Jesus’ rebuttal [regarding lower-case “gods”] makes no sense.)

Because of this, on p. 344, United Bible Societies, 1980, states
"Purely on the basis of the Greek text, therefore, it is possible to translate [John 10:33] 'a god,' as NEB does, rather than to translate God, as TEV and several other translations do. One might argue on the basis of both the Greek and the context, that the Jews were accusing Jesus of claiming to be 'a god' rather than 'God.' "-

Young's Concise Critical Bible Commentary, p. 62 avers
"`makest thyself a god,' not `God' as in C.V. [King James Version or `Common Version'], otherwise the definite article would not have been omitted, as it is here, and in the next two verses, -- `gods .. gods,' where the title is applied to magistrates, and others ...."

This fact is also admitted by the well known Trinitarian NT scholar C. H. Dodd:
"making himself a god." - The Interpretation of the Fourth Gospel, p. 205, Cambridge University Press, 1995 reprint.

"We are not going to stone you for any good deed, but for your blasphemy. You, a mere man, claim to be a god." New English Bible (NEB).


You are using a biased translation here, cousin.

What was Jesus’ rebuttal? His quote of Psalm 82:6 answered their accusation, because what these Jews really said was, “you, a mere man, make yourself a god.” (Otherwise, Jesus’ rebuttal [regarding lower-case “gods”] makes no sense.)

The lie of the Jews was in them saying Christ was a mere man (only a man)
And they did lie a lot as they did not have God as their Father as they did not believe in His Son.
They were not of God, not born again else they would have believed in Christ, and confessed Him before men.

 

[Johann]

What was Jesus’ rebuttal? His quote of Psalm 82:6 answered their accusation, because what these Jews really said was, “you, a mere man, make yourself a god.” (Otherwise, Jesus’ rebuttal [regarding lower-case “gods”] makes no sense.)

Two mistakes they seem to be guilty of in this account; one that Christ was a mere man, the other that he made himself God, or assumed deity to himself, which did not belong to him, and therefore must be guilty of blasphemy; neither of which were true: the phrase is used by the Jews, of others who have taken upon them the name and title of God; as of Hiram king of Tyre, of whom they say, שעשה עצמו אלוה, "that he made himself God" (r); the same they say of Nebuchadnezzar; and the modern Jews still continue the same charge against Jesus, as their ancestors did, and express it in the same language, and say of him, that he was a man, and set himself up for God (s).
(q) Misn. Sanhedrin, c. 7. sect. 4. (r) Bereshit Rabba, sect. 96. fol. 83. 4. & Tzeror Hammor, fol. 134. 4. (s) Aben Ezra in Gen. xxvii. 39. & Abarbinel Mashmia Jeshua, fol. 5. 1.

Personally, I think the Sanhedrin and religious leaders knew exactly what Jesus was saying-that Messiah claimed to be God


Joh 10:33 In reply, those of Yehudah said to him, For a ma'aseh tov we do not stone you, but for Chillul Hashem and because you, being a man, make yourself G-d. [VAYIKRA 24:16]
Joh 10:34 In reply, Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach answered them, Has it not been written in your Torah, ANI AMARTI ELOHIM ATEM (I said you are g-ds.) [TEHILLIM 82:6] [SHEMOT 7:1; 22:27 TARGUM HASHIVIM]
OJB

Modern Rabbinic Interpretations:
Some Jewish apologists and scholars in the modern era, like Jacob Emden and Isaac Troki, critique Christian theology, particularly the concept of the Trinity and Jesus' divinity. They argue that attributing divinity to Jesus directly violates the Jewish understanding of strict monotheism.

Jacob Emden in Sefer Hashmuel critiques the Christian claim that Jesus made himself divine, emphasizing that such claims contradict the foundational Jewish belief in God’s absolute oneness.

Isaac Troki in Chizzuk Emunah (Faith Strengthened) critiques the Gospel accounts where Jesus accepts titles like "Son of God" or identifies himself with the Father (e.g., John 10:30), framing them as evidence of theological misrepresentation.

J.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ is the eternally blessed God who is over all...

Romans 9

I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my [a]countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Purpose​

6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your seed shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed. 9 For this is the word of promise: “At this time I will come and Sarah shall have a son.”

10 And not only this, but when Rebecca also had conceived by one man, even by our father Isaac 11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls), 12 it was said to her, “The older shall serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated.”

Israel’s Rejection and God’s Justice​

14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! 15 For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” 16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. 17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” 18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” 20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

 

[Brakelite]

According to the Scriptures
What part of JESUS died???
a.) His body
b.) His soul
c.) His spirit
e.) all of the above

Choose and explain - thank you

It is our death He died... the second death.

 

[Taken]

According to the Scriptures
What part of JESUS died???
a.) His body
b.) His soul
c.) His spirit
e.) all of the above

Choose and explain - thank you

What died?
His body? No
His soul? No
His spirit? No

His PREPARED Body, (of Flesh and Blood)He took upon Himself?
Yes.

He was Sent in a prepared Body….to be an example to manKind who could Not Believe IN the Invisible God….
Without SEEING a resemblance OF “something” He could Do, that ONLY God was capable of Doing.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[rockytopva]

Santa Claus was known as a charitable soul, but also a staunch supporter of trinitarianism. In 325, Nicholas is said to have attended the First Council of Nicaea where he lost his temper and slapped "a certain Arian" across the face.

Good Ole Saint Nick!

 

[Johann]

Santa Claus was known as a charitable soul, but also a staunch supporter of trinitarianism. In 325, Nicholas is said to have attended the First Council of Nicaea where he lost his temper and slapped "a certain Arian" across the face.

Good Ole Saint Nick!

LOL!!

J.

 

[MatthewG]

Santa Claus was known as a charitable soul, but also a staunch supporter of trinitarianism. In 325, Nicholas is said to have attended the First Council of Nicaea where he lost his temper and slapped "a certain Arian" across the face.

Good Ole Saint Nick!

Lol. It just goes to show the failures of the flesh once it's riled up enough. Ain't no body perfect in this life, and also God's not a respector of persons. He doesn't favor people over the other, he looks upon all peoples heart from a equal standpoint knowing all the secrets, and all the good and bad we have done; which is forgotten once we pass away here. Praise be to Him, Rocky.

 

[Brakelite]

this is not true in the least.

don;t make up rules that do not exist just because you want your thinking to be supported.

Okay. So what version of the trinity do you espouse to? They weren't my rules. That indivisible unity was established by the creeds in early Christianity. You can believe in 3 persons in the Godhead, and that they have a union in purpose and character as I believe, but that is not strictly Trinitarian doctrine.

 

[Brakelite]

Thank you for all that detail Brakelite, but it adds nothing to what I posted….”monogenes” means “an only child” in any sense of the word. The pre-human Jesus existed as “the son of God” from “the beginning” which is his beginning….
Rev 3:14…”the beginning of God’s creation”….
Col 1:15…”the firstborn of ALL creation”, making him part of that creation. Only one false doctrine invites tap dancing in the interpretation of those clear passages. Jesus is a son in every respect….the product of his Father who is also his God, even in heaven. (Rev 3:12)

This son is one of many that the Bible speaks about…angelic “sons of God”, but none are like the “firstborn” because none are the first and only direct creation of the Father. The son was used in the creation of everything else, both in heaven and in the material realm.

Col 1:15-17 and John 1:2-3 declare that the son was used as the agency “through” whom creation came. God created all things by means of his son…..it was God’s gift to him…created “through him and for him”.

You need to read your biblical quotes above in the context of the rest of Scripture...
“Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; ”
Hebrews 1:2 KJV

Unfeigned Bible

Unfeigned Bible

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[Taken]

I know you do….because if you didn’t, you would not relate such an experience with happiness….the truth would take all that deception away and reveal what the visitation really was.

Abraham related his experience with angels…so did others… with gladness.

God IS Spirit.
His Spirit IS Supreme Power.
God HAS multiple titles / for tasks which His One Spirit does Works.

Angels ARE spirits.
Angels were Given great Power to accomplish works For God.
Angels have FREEWILL.
Angels can serve God according to Gods holy intent….or they can serve themselves with deceptions outside of Gods intent.

Mankind HAS A natural spirit, called the Truth IN his Heart….which may or may not be in agreement with his Carnal Mind.

When a mans Mind continually Thinks and Acts Against what his spirit in his heart Knows is Devious/Wrong….
* Scientifically…manKind calls that a Mental Illness/ Disease…with a plethora of sub-categories…(bi-polar-etc.)
* Scientifically…big Pharma dispenses band-aid soothing, oppressing drugs to control mindful urges.
* Scripturally…the mind and spirit of man at odds, is called a Conflict.
* Scripturally… the Cure is offered by God, through The Power of Christ, to change the mans spirit, via rebirth of the mans spirit, via the Seed of God, and the Power of God to dwell IN that mans New spirit, in his new heart, TO keep that mans new spirit More Powerful, and Able to subdue and overcome the devious thoughts of the mans Mind.

* That Choice…Is effected by the mans FREEWILL to Reach out…and Take Gods Offering…By calling on the Lord and ASKING to receive His Offering…

Little children have Not Yet the cognitive maturity to comprehend such an offering… let alone to even know WHAT a god IS.

Absolutely, I believe Holy Angels have assignments to watch over and interact with babes…and those in adult bodies with minds of a little child.

As well regarding maturing children and Adults, I believe they are naturally equipped to instinctively know,,,
Society-wise Right/Wrong
Spiritually-wise Good/Evil
And exercise their FREEWILL to Do or Reject either.

A holy Angel will always direct a human in the way of Good and Righteous.

A fallen Angel will always direct a human in the ways of wickedness and evil.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Angels were asked for their names…they were never given. The only guardian angels spoken about in the Bible are cherubs, who are guardians of adults, not infants who have no accounting with God.

Anciently …Some men KNEW … they were SEEING the likeness of A Man… but that they were Actually IN the presence of An ANGEL.

Abraham SAW 3 Men approaching his tent.
Abraham visited with them while a meal was being prepared to Offer to them.

One Angel was singled out WHOM Abraham called “Lord”.

When others encountered the Same Angel again That Angel was repeatedly referenced AS the Angel of the Lord.

And YES, that Angel WAS Asked His NAME and the person was told His Name was Secret.

That man being call The Angel of the Lord…
Was The Lord, who later appeared as a man…born of a woman, called the Son of man, and 30 years later called The Son of God.

Angels did on occasion reveal their Name, without a negative consequence.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

KJ21
of whom are the fathers, and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
ASV
whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
AMP
To them belong the patriarchs, and from them, according to His natural descent, came the Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed), He who is exalted and supreme over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
AMPC
To them belong the patriarchs, and as far as His natural descent was concerned, from them is the Christ, Who is exalted and supreme over all, God, blessed forever! Amen (so let it be).
BRG
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
CSB
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Christ, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.
CEB
The Jewish ancestors are theirs, and the Christ descended from those ancestors. He is the one who rules over all things, who is God, and who is blessed forever. Amen.
CJB
the Patriarchs are theirs; and from them, as far as his physical descent is concerned, came the Messiah, who is over all. Praised be Adonai for ever! Amen.

DARBY
whose [are] the fathers; and of whom, as according to flesh, [is] the Christ, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
DLNT
of whom are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according-to the flesh, the One being over all, God, blessed forever, amen.
DRA
Whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all things, God blessed for ever. Amen.
ERV
They are the descendants of our great fathers, and they are the earthly family of the Messiah, who is God over all things. Praise him forever! Amen.
EASY
It was their ancestors that God chose to make great many years ago. And Christ himself, as a man, was born to an Israelite family. Christ is God, who rules over all things. We should praise him for ever! This is true! Amen.
EHV
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, came the Christ, who is God over all, eternally blessed. Amen.
ESV
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
ESVUK
To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed for ever. Amen.

GNV
Of whom are the fathers, and of whom concerning the flesh, Christ came, who is God over all, blessed forever, Amen.
GW
The Messiah is descended from their ancestors according to his human nature. The Messiah is God over everything, forever blessed. Amen.

HCSB
The ancestors are theirs, and from them, by physical descent, came the Messiah, who is God over all, praised forever. Amen.
ICB
They are the descendants of our great ancestors, and they are the earthly family of Christ. Christ is God over all. Praise him forever! Amen.
ISV
To the Israelis belong the patriarchs, and from them, the Messiah descended, who is God over all, the one who is forever blessed. Amen.
PHILLIPS
Just think what the Israelites have had given to them. The privilege of being adopted as sons of God, the experience of seeing something of the glory of God, the receiving of the agreements made with God, the gift of the Law, true ways of worship, God’s own promises—all these are theirs, and so too, as far as human descent goes, is Christ himself, Christ who is God over all, blessed for ever.
JUB
whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh is the Christ, who is God over all things, blessed for all the ages. Amen.
KJV
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
AKJV
whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
LSB
whose are the fathers, and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
LEB
to whom belong the patriarchs, and from whom is the Christ according to human descent, who is God over all, blessed forever! Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

RGT
from whom are the Fathers, and from whom, concerning the flesh, Christ - Who is God over all, blessed forever – came. Amen.
RSV
to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ. God who is over all be blessed for ever. Amen.
RSVCE
to them belong the patriarchs, and of their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed for ever. Amen.
TLV
To them belong the patriarchs—and from them, according to the flesh, the Messiah, who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen.
VOICE
The patriarchs are theirs, too; and from their bloodline comes the Anointed One, the Liberating King, who reigns supreme over all things, God blessed forever. Amen.
WEB
of whom are the fathers, and from whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God, blessed forever. Amen.

WYC
whose be the fathers, and of which is Christ after the flesh, that is God above all things, blessed into worlds. Amen.
YLT
whose [are] the fathers, and of whom [is] the Christ, according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed to the ages. Amen.