Revelation 9:1 - 11 Who are these locusts representing?

[Spiritual Israelite]

For John, I would say that he saw demons that resembled locusts and had tails like scorpions. The 5 months are literally five months. So, I think that John described exactly what he saw and what they looked like.

Why do you think that? He also saw a beast with seven heads and ten horns. Does that mean what it represents in reality resembles a literal beast with seven literal heads and ten literal horns? Is that how symbolism works? I don't think so.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is symbolic about demons? What is symbolic about 5 months? John just saw demons inflicting pain to man. I don't see anything symbolic in this passage. Yes there is symbolism in the Bible, but not near the amount of what someone who has a symbolic hermeneutic for the book of Revelation.

The term "locusts" is used, not demons. So, you see the locusts as symbolically representing demons (I agree with that). How can you say you don't see anything symbolic in the passage when you don't believe it's talking about literal locusts?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Okay but how do you explain Joel using the very same imagery as Revelation and then Peter using the same imagery as the Olivit Discourse and the Peter saying that it all started in his days.

Exodus also tells us who appolyn is.

This is what Peter Joel and John wrote and said not heathens

Just an FYI I am a partial Peterest amill not a full one

Peter referenced Joel 2:28-32 and related it to what was happening on the day of Pentecost long ago. What started on the day of Pentecost (Spirit being poured out on believers, people calling on the name of the Lord to be saved) continues on until today and will continue until the future second coming of Christ on the day of the Lord. Preterists (including partial preterists) give too much attention to 70 AD and not enough attention to the future glorious second coming of Jesus Christ. Revelation is not a book about the Jews, Jerusalem and Israel as preterists think. The book is addressed to Christian churches, not to Jews. It is a book about Jesus Christ and His church and the enemies of Christ and His church throughout the New Testament era.

 

[KUWN]

The term "locusts" is used, not demons. So, you see the locusts as symbolically representing demons (I agree with that). How can you say you don't see anything symbolic in the passage when you don't believe it's talking about literal locusts?

I think you might have a different understanding if you look at the whole passage you cited. These locusts are able to understand human statements. The take directions. And, a further description of these locusts is that they looked LIKE horses. Do you still think there were locusts? Read the description of these "locusts" in vv 7-10. And notice these horselike animals had the face of a man. Do you still think the John is describing a locust? I think the animals that John saw in his vision were animals with a king leading them. If you stop at the first time locusts are mention, then I can see how you got confused. But the whole passage is clear what John saw in his vision. Just like Nebuchadnezzar saw a statue in his dream.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think you might have a different understanding if you look at the whole passage you cited.

LOL. Do you really think that I've never look at the whole passage I cited before? I have many times. So, no, I won't have a different understanding of it if I look at the whole passage yet again.

These locusts are able to understand human statements. The take directions. And, a further description of these locusts is that they looked LIKE horses. Do you still think there were locusts?

I don't understand what you're trying to say. It calls them locusts, but I don't believe they are literal locusts. Did you somehow miss that I agreed with you that the locusts symbolically represent demons? So, your question makes no sense to me since I never said I thought they were locusts. I agree with you that they are demons. They are called locusts in a symbolic sense. You said there's no symbolism there. Well, you can't claim that and then at the same time say that the locusts represent demons. That makes no sense.

Read the description of these "locusts" in vv 7-10. And notice these horselike animals had the face of a man.

None of that is meant to be taken literally. Do you not understand that? They not only are not literal locusts, but also are not literal "horselike animals" with "the face of a man". That's all symbolic.

Do you still think the John is describing a locust?

When did I ever say that he was describing a literal locust? Never. So, please read what I actually say instead of what you imagine me to be saying.

I think the animals that John saw in his vision were animals with a king leading them.

Regardless of what he saw in his vision, they are not literal animals in reality. Since when do animals have "the angel of the bottomless pit" as their king? The fact that it says their king is "the angel of the bottomless pit" is a major clue that the locusts symbolically represent fallen angels/demons. Are you equating the horse-like animals with demons as if demons are horse-like animals? I certainly could never agree with that. Demons are spirit beings, not physical beings.

If you stop at the first time locusts are mention, then I can see how you got confused. But the whole passage is clear what John saw in his vision. Just like Nebuchadnezzar saw a statue in his dream.

Did the statue represent a literal statue in reality? No, right? So, I truly have no idea of what your point is here.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. It calls them locusts, but I don't believe they are literal locusts. Did you somehow miss that I agreed with you that the locusts symbolically represent demons? So, your question makes no sense to me since I never said I thought they were locusts. I agree with you that they are demons. They are called locusts in a symbolic sense. You said there's no symbolism there. Well, you can't claim that and then at the same time say that the locusts represent demons. That makes no sense.

Hi Spiritual Israelite.

First I wanted to know exactly what demons are you talking about that you believe the locusts symbolically.

 

[KUWN]

I don't understand what you're trying to say. It calls them locusts, but I don't believe they are literal locusts. Did you somehow miss that I agreed with you that the locusts symbolically represent demons?

sorry for misunderstanding you!

I am saying that the animals looked somewhat like locusts are demons, and not a symbolic expression of demons. I come to this conclusion because of what John says about them in the chapter. These demons had a locust-like appearance. They actually had horse-like characteristics. What John was looking at were demons which looked like the descriptions this chapter says of them (their appearance was LIKE locusts with crowns on their head, with long hair, their faces were like men, and their teeth were like a lion's). He was trying to describe what these demons looked like. And I believe they will be visible beings, just like angels can take on human form.

I think these demons literally looked like locusts, men's faces, crowns on their head, horse-like features. I further believe that these demons will bring much pain upon those who do have the mark of the beast for literally 5 months. I am just repeating myself.

 

[Marty fox]

Peter referenced Joel 2:28-32 and related it to what was happening on the day of Pentecost long ago. What started on the day of Pentecost (Spirit being poured out on believers, people calling on the name of the Lord to be saved) continues on until today and will continue until the future second coming of Christ on the day of the Lord. Preterists (including partial preterists) give too much attention to 70 AD and not enough attention to the future glorious second coming of Jesus Christ. Revelation is not a book about the Jews, Jerusalem and Israel as preterists think. The book is addressed to Christian churches, not to Jews. It is a book about Jesus Christ and His church and the enemies of Christ and His church throughout the New Testament era.

Of Course Peter was talking about the start of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Acts chapter 2 when he referenced Joel but he also referenced the judgement on Jerusalem that Joel prophesied in Joel chapter 2. This was also the very same judgement language that Jesus used in the Olivet Discourse when Jesus predicted the judgement of Jerusalem.

I don't focus on 70AD in revelation but it is a big part of revelation. The second coming is the glorious event that is predicted in revelation.

Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ as in who He is and what He did He is God and ushered in the New Covenant. Revelation is also a book of transition from the Old Covenant to the new Covenant from the earthly Jerusalem to the Hevenly Jerusalem.

 

[Verily]

Here are men whose faces are described this way

1 Chr 12:8 And of the Gadites there separated themselves unto David into the hold to the wilderness men of might, and men of war fit for the battle, that could handle shield and buckler, whose faces were like the faces of lions, and were as swift as the roes upon the mountains;

Here are locusts whose faces are described this way

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

 

[CTK]

Here are men whose faces are described this way

1 Chr 12:8 And of the Gadites there separated themselves unto David into the hold to the wilderness men of might, and men of war fit for the battle, that could handle shield and buckler, whose faces were like the faces of lions, and were as swift as the roes upon the mountains;

Here are locusts whose faces are described this way

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

That is very nice and certainly is on point here! But, if I may, even then God was allowing or having the writer use symbols for those who took up arms - He did not have to since these were clearly men. But God will use symbols throughout the Scriptures because they add so much more to the vision, scene of message....

 

[Verily]

That is very nice and certainly is on point here! But, if I may, even then God was allowing or having the writer use symbols for those who took up arms - He did not have to since these were clearly men. But God will use symbols throughout the Scriptures because they add so much more to the vision, scene of message....

It does say,

Hosea 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

I'll add these here so I dont open another reply.

Teeth of lions

Rev 9:8 ....and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

David's Psalm menions the teeth of lions

Psalm 58:6 Break their teeth, O God, in their mouth: break out the great teeth of the young lions, O LORD.

And being swallowed up and made a prey to their teeth here

Psalm 124:2 If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, when men rose up against us:

Psalm 124:3 Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us:

Psalm 124:4 Then the waters had overwhelmed us, the stream had gone over our soul:

Psalm 12:5 Then the proud waters had gone over our soul.

Who was not given a prey to their teeth

Psalm 124:6 Blessed be the LORD, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth.

Being swallowed again shown here

Psalm 57:3 He shall send from heaven, and save me from the reproach of him that would swallow me up. Selah. God shall send forth his mercy and his truth.

Which is among lions whose teeth are spears and arrows

Psalm 57:4 My soul is among lions: and I lie even among them that are set on fire, even the sons of men, whose teeth are spears and arrows, and their tongue a sharp sword.

 

[Verily]

Heres a few also

Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women...

1 Cr 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

1 Cr 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

So long hair is a shame unto him, and we have men with womens hair (which is a glory to her) or even a covering

The first thing that come mind is such that glorys in their shame in some sense, since as it speaks of one who can glory in their shame, which pertains to what they mind.

Phil 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

Which is ironic that destruction is mentioned there since that is also the name of the king over those which had the hair of women (which is a glory to her) but a shame unto him, and so to glory in ones shame may relate in some way here on a certain level.

 

[Verily]

Just adding these as I rummage through my notes and look at them again

Thy crowned are as the locusts here

Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.

Similarly when the sun arises they flee away

And here, when the sun and air are darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit these locusts appear

Rev 9:2-3 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Says of locusts

Prov 30:27 locusts have no king

But the locusts in Rev 9:3 do have a king

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The locusts in Revelation have crowns like gold, whereas it says here Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts

A crown can be of pride also in Isaiah 28:3

Likewise of Leviathan it says

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Their shapes were like horses prepared unto battle

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Perhaps looking at the shapes of the locusts as unto horses arranged in this manner, he also says

Psalm 147:10 He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.

Similarly it says,

Isaiah 31:3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit.

Up a little further a description is given of these horses here

Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

The shapes of the locusts were described as like unto horses prepared unto battle whereas here the very heads of theses horses are shown as the heads of lions

 

[CTK]

Just adding these as I rummage through my notes and look at them again

Thy crowned are as the locusts here

Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts, and thy captains as the great grasshoppers, which camp in the hedges in the cold day, but when the sun ariseth they flee away, and their place is not known where they are.

Similarly when the sun arises they flee away

And here, when the sun and air are darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit these locusts appear

Rev 9:2-3 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Says of locusts

Prov 30:27 locusts have no king

But the locusts in Rev 9:3 do have a king

Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The locusts in Revelation have crowns like gold, whereas it says here Nah 3:17 Thy crowned are as the locusts

A crown can be of pride also in Isaiah 28:3

Likewise of Leviathan it says

Job 41:34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Their shapes were like horses prepared unto battle

Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men.

Perhaps looking at the shapes of the locusts as unto horses arranged in this manner, he also says

Psalm 147:10 He delighteth not in the strength of the horse: he taketh not pleasure in the legs of a man.

Similarly it says,

Isaiah 31:3 Now the Egyptians are men, and not God; and their horses flesh, and not spirit.

Up a little further a description is given of these horses here

Rev 9:17 And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.

The shapes of the locusts were described as like unto horses prepared unto battle whereas here the very heads of theses horses are shown as the heads of lions

Well, you certainly have a strong knowledge of the Scriptures. Thanks for these references and they surely add to the interpretations.

 

[Verily]

Well, you certainly have a strong knowledge of the Scriptures. Thanks for these references and they surely add to the interpretations.

I wish it were a much stronger knowledge than what I have, its just good to have various places to compare between so when God does give us an understanding we can receive a much clearer sense of things. That certainly isnt the case where I am on all these things now. I could use a far better understanding, but He is definately the far better one to better wait upon for that.

 

[ewq1938]

Of Course Peter was talking about the start of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Acts chapter 2 when he referenced Joel but he also referenced the judgement on Jerusalem that Joel prophesied in Joel chapter 2. This was also the very same judgement language that Jesus used in the Olivet Discourse when Jesus predicted the judgement of Jerusalem.

The OD is about the years before the one and only second coming which happens at the end of this age. It has nothing to do with AD70.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

If the generation he spoke of was the people he spoke to then they would literally have to see "all these things be fulfilled" so all we have to do is go back and see of all those things happened in that generation:


Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Did the events in these 3 verses happen in that past generation?

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Did the return of Christ happen in "power and great glory"? Did all the tribes of the earth mourn at this momentous event??


Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Did this happen to the elect in AD 70?

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


Utterly impossible that all these things were fulfilled in the generation that saw AD 70.

I don't focus on 70AD in revelation but it is a big part of revelation.

It isn't mentioned a single time in Rev. How does that equal it being a big part?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Hi Spiritual Israelite.

First I wanted to know exactly what demons are you talking about that you believe the locusts symbolically.

The fallen angels. In other words. Satan's angels. The fallen angels are described as "his angels" in Revelation 12:9 and Matthew 25:41. Their king is "the angel of the bottomless pit". The fact that their king is an angel is a clue as to what the locusts represent. I believe Abaddon/Apollyon is another name for Satan, so I see Revelation 9:1-11 as describing the loosing of Satan and his angels from the bottomless pit. I believe this supports our amil view because it shows Satan being loosed before the second coming of Christ and not a thousand years after His second coming as premils believe.

Think about this. If Satan is bound, do you not believe his angels are also bound at the same time? I certainly do. So, I think Revelation 9:1-11 refers to both Satan and his angels being loosed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Of Course Peter was talking about the start of the pouring out of the Holy Spirit in Acts chapter 2 when he referenced Joel but he also referenced the judgement on Jerusalem that Joel prophesied in Joel chapter 2.

I disagree. I don't think Peter referenced the judgment on Jerusalem anywhere in Acts 2 when he quoted Joel 2:28-32.

This was also the very same judgement language that Jesus used in the Olivet Discourse when Jesus predicted the judgement of Jerusalem.

I don't know what you're talking about. Can you try to be more specific?

I don't focus on 70AD in revelation but it is a big part of revelation.

I don't believe Revelation was even written before 70 AD for one thing, but it's clear to me that the book is all about Jesus Christ and His church as well as the enemies of Christ and His church and has nothing to do with what happened in 70 AD.

The second coming is the glorious event that is predicted in revelation.

Where do you believe that the second coming is referenced in Revelation?

Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ as in who He is and what He did He is God and ushered in the New Covenant. Revelation is also a book of transition from the Old Covenant to the new Covenant from the earthly Jerusalem to the Hevenly Jerusalem.

I disagree. I don't believe it has anything to do with earthly Jerusalem at all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

sorry for misunderstanding you!

No problem.

I am saying that the animals looked somewhat like locusts are demons, and not a symbolic expression of demons.

I don't understand what that means. Can you try to clarify? Are you saying that you think demons literally look the way that John was describing? You think they really look like horses with faces of men, etc.?

I come to this conclusion because of what John says about them in the chapter. These demons had a locust-like appearance. They actually had horse-like characteristics.

I completely disagree. I believe John is simply using symbolism to describe character traits of the demons. Remember, John also saw things like a beast with seven heads and ten horns. But, you don't try to claim that the beast literally looks like a beast with seven heads and ten horns, do you? What that symbolizes in reality doesn't actually resemble a literal beast with seven heads and ten horns (if there was such a thing) at all. Likewise, there is no reason to think that the locusts/demons John described actually literally look like horses with men's faces, women's hair, lions' teeth, breastplates of iron and tails like scorpions.

What John was looking at were demons which looked like the descriptions this chapter says of them (their appearance was LIKE locusts with crowns on their head, with long hair, their faces were like men, and their teeth were like a lion's). He was trying to describe what these demons looked like. And I believe they will be visible beings, just like angels can take on human form.

I completely disagree with that. Demons are not physical, visible beings. They are spirit beings that we can't see.

I think these demons literally looked like locusts, men's faces, crowns on their head, horse-like features. I further believe that these demons will bring much pain upon those who do have the mark of the beast for literally 5 months. I am just repeating myself.

Yes, you are, and maybe I am, too. But, I could not disagree with you more about this. I see no reason to take what is clearly symbolic text so literally. I can't understand that way of thinking at all.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The fallen angels. In other words. Satan's angels.

Okay, first, "demons" are not heavenly angels of God who have fallen and cast into the earth, that idea is a misunderstanding of the cryptic imagery God uses in His holy and infallible word. Just as there were no literal stars cast down from heaven by Satan's tail, nor a pregnant woman floating in heaven who gave birth, nor a battle of heavenly superbeings in the paradise of God. All these notions are a product of unsound exegesis, fanciful legends, Bad movies and bad traditions. Beside, the demons are not found anywhere in Scripture (KJV) anyway, okay?

Now what about the word, "angels?"

If we read the actual divinely inspired Hebrew and Greek words [mal'ak] and [aggelos], and not the assumptions, hypotheses, and presumptions of men, we will find "God's Definition" of both those words. And it is no surprise, that both words mean messenger and not angel. ...BOTH! So then, we have our answer "if" we will receive it. If not, clearly we can believe anything that we want. We can believe a [mal'ak] is a race car, or a [aggelos] is a lost farmer. But if we understand that the Scriptures interpret themselves (Genesis 40:8) and are the supreme authority over Christian faith and practice, it's a messenger.

James 2:25

• "Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?"

That's the "exact" same word that you and others call "angels", but is actually translated "as it should be," as it was inspired written. God never inspired the word "angels" in either the Old Testament or the New. The word God inspired was messenger, in Hebrew [mal'ak] and in Greek [aggelos]. If that's not true, then I'm clearly a false prophet changing God's words that "HE" inspired.

The fallen angels are described as "his angels" in Revelation 12:9 and Matthew 25:41. Their king is "the angel of the bottomless pit".

I understand. Everyone is obsessed with angels and demons thinking they are heavenly created being. The truth is we "ARE" heavenly beings, spirits who are strangers and pilgrims on this earth, who look for a city whose builder and maker is God, having been translated into God's heavenly kingdom. But there are those who are false messengers, spirits that merely fein to be part of us, but who are not really of this life-changing Spiritual restoration.

1st John 4:1

• "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

We indeed are heavenly spirits, just not the supernatural aliens from above that many suppose like we see in movies. That's why we read in scripture of false messengers and true messengers because it depends on what spirit we are of. Moreover, the question of "who are angels" ...I mean messengers, is answered in Hebrews declaring that they are ministering spirits, "Messengers" like the man Christ, You, me, Peter, Noah, and the Lord God Himself, who are all at various times sent to call the election who are about to inherit salvation. Even as it is written:

Hebrews 1:13-14

• "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
• Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?"

Indeed they and we are. If we will receive it.
Now let's read Revelation 12. First the woman:

Rev 12:1-6
(1) And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
(2) And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
(3) And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
(4) And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The woman represents the congregation of Israel. At that time, it was the Old Testament congregation, Israel when Christ was born. The woman wasn't floating in space. So exactly what does heaven represent? It is the kingdom of Heaven where the congregation dwells on Earth, remember? After Christ ascended back into heaven and to his throne, the woman (congregation) went into the wilderness which is the world where there is no gospel weather. There she is fed with the Gospel for 1,260 days - the same period when the Two Witnesses are preaching the gospel to the world through the CHURCH - which the woman NOW represents. Okay? Move on...

Rev 12:7-10
(7) And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
(8) And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Michael is another name for Jesus Christ. His angels are His messengers at that time. For example, Peter, James, John, and all followers of Christ at that time, just like you and me. They fought against the Pharisees, Sadducees, and all ungenerated messengers of the nation of Israel who fought against Christ and his followers. Because of their rejection Christ's Word and put Him to Death at the Cross, their kingdom was taken from them. This is how Satan and his messenger lost their place in the kingdom of heaven. The congregation of Israel has fallen (which is what the stones of the buildings falling in Matthew 24:1-2 represent!) The war did NOT take place in the third heaven (where no evil could even possibly exist), it took place right here in the kingdom of heaven ON EARTH - the Old Testament Congregation which represents the temple of Christ's body that is fallen! The messengers who followed their father the Devil were cast out - no longer will they represent God and His Kingdom anymore because of their rejection, Selah! And they are the children of the bondwoman, so they have no place with the children of the free. This is just as the messengers of the church representing the kingdom TODAY can be cast out of their place prior to Second Coming.

Revelation 2:5

• "Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent."

To give you an idea what the war in heaven is like. It is not fought with armies, weapons or anything like that. It is the war between Word of God and His human messengers (angels) and the word of Satan through their human messengers (angels) for the control of the representative of the Kingdom. Here is the video to get you an idea of what the war with Words was like in the kingdom of Heaven at that time: