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There is only 45 days from the day the abomination of desolation is set up to the 1335 day.
The 1335 day is counting from the day the daily sacrifice is abolished.Not from the day the abomination of desolation Is set up.
There is 1290 days from the day the daily sacrifice is abolished to the day the abomination of desolation is set up by the armed forces.
What event ends the 1335 days ?


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In Daniel 11:31. Antiochus IV had the abomination of desolation , a statue image, placed in the temple. That was historic, but it prefugures what the end times abomination of desolation will be.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

In Revelaton13:14-15, the false prophet will have a statue image made of the beast, and will require everyone to worship it. Where will that statue image be located ?

The abomination of desolation in Antiochus IV's day and in the end times is something that will be worshiped.

"desolation" means the temple will be made desolate of the worship and praise of the One True God.

It doe not mean destruction, a weapon of physical annihilation. The armies of the world already have nuclear weapons all around the globe, with delivery systems. It is not necessary for them to place some thing in Jerusalem, nor on the temple mount.
A statue does not cause great tribulation nor does it cause desolation.
A statue is something that is admired by people .A work of art by an artist.You will often find statures in art gallery or other places where the artwork can be seen .The armed forces do not use statues to cause desolation or great tribulation.
 

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A statue does not cause great tribulation nor does it cause desolation.
A statue is something that is admired by people .A work of art by an artist.You will often find statures in art gallery or other places where the artwork can be seen .The armed forces do not use statues to cause desolation or great tribulation.
Oh, so you would admire a statue image of the beast ? And worship it ? Did the Jews worship the statue image of Zeus when Antiochus IV had it placed in the temple, as the abomination of desolation of his day ?

The great tribulation will be when the trumpet plagues and vials of God's wrath take place.
 
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It says blessed is he who arrives to that date.
Like Noah arrived. to the 40th day of the flood when all the wicked had been washed away.
What event ends the 1335 days ? What happens to the beast and the false prophet and Satan when that event takes place ? Are those three not wicked ?




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Oh, so you would admire a statue image of the beast ? And worship it ? Did the Jews worship the statue image of Zeus when Antiochus IV had it placed in the temple, as the abomination of desolation of his day ?

The great tribulation will be when the trumpet plagues and vials of God's wrath take place.
If the great tribulation is caused by God then why does scripture say it takes place after the king of the north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many?

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
 

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What event ends the 1335 days ? What happens to the beast and the false prophet and Satan when that event takes place ? Are those three not wicked ?




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The beast is already destroyed before the 1335 the day.


Blessed is he who reaches the 1335th day after the daily sacrifice is abolished.
 
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Oh, so you would admire a statue image of the beast ? And worship it ? Did the Jews worship the statue image of Zeus when Antiochus IV had it placed in the temple, as the abomination of desolation of his day ?

The great tribulation will be when the trumpet plagues and vials of God's wrath take place.
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Why are the saints imprisoned and killed 3.5 years before the great tribulation takes place in Daniel 12:1?

That's 3.5 years before the abomination that causes Jerusalem desolation is set up in Jerusalem.
 

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If the great tribulation is caused by God then why does scripture say it takes place after the king of the north goes forth to destroy and annihilate many?

Daniel 11:44
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
God does not "cause" the great tribulation.

The great tribulation is triggered when the statue image of the beast-king is placed on the temple mount.
 

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The beast is already destroyed before the 1335 the day.


Blessed is he who reaches the 1335th day after the daily sacrifice is abolished.
The question that I asked you is what event ends the great tribulation ? Will the great tribulation stop or continue after Jesus's return ?
 

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Why are the saints imprisoned and killed 3.5 years before the great tribulation takes place in Daniel 12:1?

That's 3.5 years before the abomination that causes Jerusalem desolation is set up in Jerusalem.
You need to make a timeline chart because you are not making any sense verbally.



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God does not "cause" the great tribulation.

The great tribulation is triggered when the statue image of the beast-king is placed on the temple mount.
A statue does not cause great tribulation.Aststue does not cause the earthquakes and the heavens to depart as a scroll rolling together nor does it harm anyone.A statue does absolutely nothing because it is not able to do anything.
 

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The question that I asked you is what event ends the great tribulation ? Will the great tribulation stop or continue after Jesus's return ?

It ends when everyone who is going to die ,dies.
After all the unsaved are dead.No one else suffers pain or death.That is the end of the great tribulation.
 
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You need to make a timeline chart because you are not making any sense verbally.



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That's what I know about you.You can't understand anything unless it's in a chart.That why you can not understand the word of God.Because God wouldn't make you a chart nor had any prophet made a chart.Their words make no sense to you because prophets don't make charts.
 

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A statue does not cause great tribulation
The statue is will be a statue image of the beast-king who will claim to be God and the false prophet will demand it to be worshipped - or killed.

Therefore, Jesus said that them in Judaea flee to the mountains, for then shall be great tribulation as the world has never seen nor will ever see again.

During the great tribulation will be trumpet plagues and the vials of God's wrath poured out. And the time, times, half time of Satan's wrath against the inhabiters of the earth.




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It ends when everyone who is going to die ,dies.
After all the unsaved are dead.No one else suffers pain or death.That is the end of the great tribulation.
No, that is not biblical. When Jesus's return's, He will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Why can't you admit that the great tribulation ends with Jesus's return ?


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That's what I know about you.You can't understand anything unless it's in a chart.That why you can not understand the word of God.Because God wouldn't make you a chart nor had any prophet made a chart.Their words make no sense to you because prophets don't make charts.
You verbally don't make any sense. And are unable to communicate. Your post are in fragmented bits and pieces, disjointed. That's why you need to make a chart
 

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The statue is will be a statue image of the beast-king who will claim to be God and the false prophet will demand to be worshipped - or killed.

Therefore, Jesus said that them in Judaea flee to the mountains, for then shall be great tribulation as the world has never seen nor will ever see again.

During the great tribulation will be trumpet plagues and the vials of God's wrath poured out. And the time, times, half time of Satan's wrath against the inhabiters of the earth.




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According to Zechariah,them in judea flee the same time the Lord comes to Jerusalem right after the nations take Jerusalem.

Zech 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.


6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.




That would be the same day the two witnesses ascend into heaven in the cloud that departs from Jerusalem and the great earthquakes hits Jerusalem.


But according to you,everyone leaves Judea 3.5 years before they flee in zech 14:5.
Either you or Zechariah is wrong.Im betting you are wrong and Zechariah is right.
 

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You verbally don't make any sense. And are unable to communicate. Your post are in fragmented bits and pieces, disjointed. That's why you need to make a chart
The word of God makes perfect sense.According to revelation 11.The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit attacks and kills the two witnesses in Jerusalem.

According to Zechariah 14,the Lord comes to Jerusalem and fights against them who have taken Jerusalem consuming them.

You say the Lord does not come for 3.5 years after the nations have taken Jerusalem.Where do you see that it takes the Lord 3.5 years to get to Jerusalem?




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14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
 

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No, that is not biblical. When Jesus's return's, He will rule the nations with a rod of iron.

Why can't you admit that the great tribulation ends with Jesus's return ?


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Because the great tribulation does not end when Jesus comes and resurects the dead.

Daniel 12:1
And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.




Notice it does not say this is the end of the great tribulation when the dead are raised.It says they are raised at the time of great tribulation .

Other people could be suffering and dying for days after them who names are written are delivered .

You do understand Jesus has comes when these dead are raised don't you?