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tailgator

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Look at my chart. I show the 42 months of the beast's reign as being before Jesus's return.

And I show that when Jesus returns, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire.



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John 5
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,


29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.



Who's voice do the two witnesses hear when they rise from the dead and come forth?



Revelation 11
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

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Who's voice do the two witnesses hear when they rise from the dead and come forth?
Jesus's voice. The same voice that Lazarus heard when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life.

Does the text of Revelation 11, say anything about the living in Christ being changed and being called up to heaven, at the time the two witnesses are called up to heaven ? No, it does not.

The two witnesses did not come out of their graves, their dead bodies were unhurried and lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days.
 

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But you say the beast will reign after Christ is given the kingdom and Christ reigns over the earth.

You chart is blasphemy.
No, that is you making false accusations about what I said and showed plainly on my chart. Stop with the lies about what I said. and show on my chart.

You are entitled to disagree with what I say and show on my charts. But you are not entitled to make up lies about it.

Make a timeline chart of your own that you think is correct and post it.
 

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Jesus's voice. The same voice that Lazarus heard when Jesus brought Lazarus back to life.

Does the text of Revelation 11, say anything about the living in Christ being changed and being called up to heaven, at the time the two witnesses are called up to heaven ? No, it does not.

The two witnesses did not come out of their graves, their dead bodies were unhurried and lay dead in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 1/2 days.

If it's Jesus voice who calls them out of the sleep,then Jesus has come.You dont have to be buried to be resurected when Jesus comes..You would only need to be dead.

 
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tailgator

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No, that is you making false accusations about what I said and showed plainly on my chart. Stop with the lies about what I said. and show on my chart.

You are entitled to disagree with what I say and show on my charts. But you are not entitled to make up lies about it.

Make a timeline chart of your own that you think is correct and post it.
Your chart is blasphemy.
The beast does not reign with Christ who reigns after the seventh Trump is sounded.


The word of God says the Lord and his Mssuah reigns

Your chart says the beast reigns.


Where do you see the beast reigning in this verse?

Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



The beast does not reign with the Lord.
The Lord reigns and his Christ.
 

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Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

"are become", not have become. "are become" - a process has been started to remove Satan's grip over the kingdoms of this world.

In the "days" of the seventh angel sounding the mystery of God will be finished. How long are the "days" of the seventh angel ?

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Those days are the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

Since you are saying that Jesus begins ruling here on earth before Satan's time, times, half time - that's blasphemy - to have them both ruling here on earth at the same time.
 

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"are become", not have become. "are become" - a process has been started to remove Satan's grip over the kingdoms of this world.

In the "days" of the seventh angel sounding the mystery of God will be finished. How long are the "days" of the seventh angel ?

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Those days are the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

Since you are saying that Jesus begins ruling here on earth before Satan's time, times, half time - that's blasphemy - to have them both ruling here on earth at the same time.
False

Are means they are his.Not they will be or a process had started .

The kingdoms of this world are the Lord's and his Christ.
Your lie that the kingdoms of this world are the beasts for another 3.5 years after Christ comes and raises the dead is blasphemy.

And I'm not the one saying Jesus reign on this Earth starts at the sound of the seventh Trump.That is God's word. So now you are saying God's word is blasphemy

Listen to the word of God .


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



You are the only one saying the beast reigns with Christ after the seventh Trump sounds.

 

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"are become", not have become. "are become" - a process has been started to remove Satan's grip over the kingdoms of this world.

In the "days" of the seventh angel sounding the mystery of God will be finished. How long are the "days" of the seventh angel ?

Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Those days are the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

Since you are saying that Jesus begins ruling here on earth before Satan's time, times, half time - that's blasphemy - to have them both ruling here on earth at the same time.
Seventh Trump sounds.
The kingdoms of this world are the Lords and his Christ.
Your beast you are cheering on has lost.He is toast.Its over,the Lord is king over all the earth.
 

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Your beast you are cheering on has lost.He is toast.Its over,the Lord is king over all the earth.
But you have Jesus begin ruling here on earth before Satan's time, times, half time - so that they will both be ruling here on earth at the same time - that's blasphemy.

Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days
Revelation 12:12-14 Satan's time, times, half time.

You have,

Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days
Jesus's return to earth to reign
Revelation 12:12-14 Satan's time, times, half time of expending great wrath to the inhabiters of the earth.

What you say is blasphemy, claiming that Jesus can't stop Satan's wrath taken out on the inhabiters of the earth.

You are saying the Jesus the Prince of peace is ruling here on earth, while Satan and his angels are here on earth are raising hell and tormenting the inhabiters of the earth - that's blasphemy.
 

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Seventh Trump sounds.
The kingdoms of this world are the Lords and his Christ.
Your beast you are cheering on has lost.He is toast.Its over,the Lord is king over all the earth.
No, that's you saying that Satan and the beast are here on earth after Jesus returns. I am saying and show on my chart, the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and Satan imprisoned into the bottomless pit, the day of Jesus's return.
 

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But you have Jesus begin ruling here on earth before Satan's time, times, half time - so that they will both be ruling here on earth at the same time - that's blasphemy.

Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days
Revelation 12:12-14 Satan's time, times, half time.

You have,

Revelation 12:6 - 1260 days
Jesus's return to earth to reign
Revelation 12:12-14 Satan's time, times, half time of expending great wrath to the inhabiters of the earth.

What you say is blasphemy, claiming that Jesus can't stop Satan's wrath taken out on the inhabiters of the earth.

You are saying the Jesus the Prince of peace is ruling here on earth, while Satan and his angels are here on earth are raising hell and tormenting the inhabiters of the earth - that's blasphemy.
False

Jesus reign over earth begins when the word of God says it begins

At the sound of the seventh Trump.


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.



The beast reigned the previous 42 months before the seventh Trump sounds .
Your word is blasphemous.
 

Douggg

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Of course what you say is false.

You have Jesus ruling here on earth at the same time as Satan's time, times, half time. With Satan and his angels raising hell and tormenting the inhabiters of the earth. What you say is blasphemy.

Go to Revelation 12.

There is 1260 days in Revelation 12:6. Then a war which Satan and his angels are cast down to earth. Then a time, times, half time left.

You have 1260 days. Then Jesus's return. Then Satan's time, of great wrath against the inhabiters of the earth.

What you are saying is blasphemy.

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No, that's you saying that Satan and the beast are here on earth after Jesus returns. I am saying and show on my chart, the beast and false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and Satan imprisoned into the bottomless pit, the day of Jesus's return.

The day of Jesus return is when he raises the two dead witnesses along with the rest of the dead he raises that day..
The dead are judged and the saints are rewarded.
The beast and false prophet are destroyed on the day.Its all right here in revelation 11.

Revelation 11

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become
the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,
and he will reign for ever and ever.”

16 And the twenty-four elders, who were seated on their thrones before God, fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

“We give thanks to you, Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because you have taken your great power
and have begun to reign.
18 The nations were angry,
and your wrath has come.
The time has come for judging the dead,
and for rewarding your servants the prophets
and your people who revere your name,
both great and small—
and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”



Your the one saying them who destroy the earth are not destroyed.Ypur the one saying he prophets and and Jesus servants are not rewarded.Your the one saying it's not the time of the dead ,that they should be judged.

It's all right there in revelation 11:15-18
 

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Of course what you say is false.

You have Jesus ruling here on earth at the same time as Satan's time, times, half time. With Satan and his angels raising hell and tormenting the inhabiters of the earth. What you say is blasphemy.
I say Jesus reigns when the word of God says he reigns.At the seventh Trump.
Your the one saying God is false.


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.​


You blaspheme and say the word above is false.
 
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Revelation 11

15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said:

“The kingdom of the world has become

the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah,

and he will reign for ever and ever.”

You didn't even quote it right. It is not kingdom - singular - in the text, but kingdoms - plural.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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You didn't even quote it right. It is not kingdom - singular - in the text, but kingdoms - plural.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
The KJV has kingdoms.
About 20 other translations has kingdom.
It is one kingdom with one king.Christ Jesus.
But you say the beast reigns


Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
 

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About 20 other translations has kingdom.
It is one kingdom with one king.Christ Jesus.
But you say the beast reigns
No, that is you saying that Jesus returns in the middle of the 7 years. And then Satan's time, times, half time wrath on the inhabiters of the earth. What you say is blasphemy against the power of Christ.
 

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No, that is you saying that Jesus returns in the middle of the 7 years. And then Satan's time, times, half time wrath on the inhabiters of the earth. What you say is blasphemy against the power of Christ.

This is a silly conversation as there is only one Greek word in the verse, in the interlinear, that has the meaning of "Kingdom(s)."

Rev 11:15: -
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What is being achieved by your rebuttal with your false and made-up claims.

Rev 11:15-19: - Seventh Trumpet: The Kingdom Proclaimed

15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!" 16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17 saying:

"We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,​
The One who is and who was and who is to come,​
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.​
18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come,​
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged,​
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,​
And those who fear Your name, small and great,​
And should destroy those who destroy the earth."​
19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, and turmoil, and great hail.
NKJV

If I was looking for another description of what John was describing above, then I would look at this scripture from Daniel 7: -

Dan 7:9-14: - Vision of the Ancient of Days
9 "I watched till thrones were put in place,​
And the Ancient of Days was seated;​
His garment was white as snow,​
And the hair of His head was like pure wool.​
His throne was a fiery flame,​
Its wheels a burning fire;​
10 A fiery stream issued​
And came forth from before Him.​
A thousand thousands ministered to Him;​
Ten thousand times ten thousand stood before Him.​
The court was seated,​
And the books were opened.​
11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.​
13 "I was watching in the night visions,​
And behold, One like the Son of Man,​
Coming with the clouds of heaven!​
He came to the Ancient of Days,​
And they brought Him near before Him.​
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,​
That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.​
His dominion is an everlasting dominion,​
Which shall not pass away,​
And His kingdom the one​
Which shall not be destroyed.​
NKJV

In both accounts of what John and Daniel saw has no reference to the Daniel 9:27 prophecy.

It seems to me that your focus in proving that your understanding is the only right understanding is clouding your judgement.

Goodbye
 

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@Jay Ross

The seventh angel sounding announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.


Where is "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens" found ? It is found in Revelation 11:15. Rejoicing great voices.

Where is "and ye that dwell in them" found ? It is found in Revelation 11:16-18. The 24 elders rejoicing.

The third woe is Satan's wrath, knowing his time is short - the time, times, half time in Revelation 12:14.
 

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No, that is you saying that Jesus returns in the middle of the 7 years. And then Satan's time, times, half time wrath on the inhabiters of the earth. What you say is blasphemy against the power of Christ.
No,the word of God says Christ reigns when the seventh Trump sounds.
You say God is false and your beast reigns.


Revelation 11

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.​



The Lord and his Christ reigns forever and ever..
Give glory to God for once Doug and admit God is right.