Exploring Trinitarian Logic

[face2face]

I'm not sure about that. In Ex 3:14 God states what he considers his primary unique attribute. The VOICE translation renders it Eternal. Some translations improperly render it "I AM" and trinitarians make a big deal out of Jesus using this very common expression in Greek. However, it Hebrew the more direct translation would be, "I was. I am. And I am becoming." Jesus never said this.

Even if one argues that now that Jesus was given all authority, he is all powerful now, it does not detract from him not meeting the Eternal quality because we all know he died. To get around this basic fact and the inescapable logic of it, the invoke dualism. They claim that only his human half died. My 2 stock responses are:

1. God does not have a human half.
2. Where is Jesus 2 natures taught in Scripture?

To the question, it is great fun the artificial dichotomy lengths they go to read into text whatever they want.

Are you thinking Eternal such as 1 Tim 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

This attribute speaks to God alone being in possession of immortality and it is His to give / distribute and none other.

F2F

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Maybe not even then will we understand God.

I think we will spend eternity getting to know God Amen

 

[Ritajanice]

The Son is God.

If the Son is God, why is he seated at the right hand side of God.?

 

[Taken]

Exploring Trinitarian Logic

** I believe mindful LOGIC is irrelevant regarding SPIRITUAL things.

* I believe God IS ONE Lord God Almighty.
* I believe God IS ONE SPIRIT (who has created and made ALL things). (And NO He IS NOT a Human man)
* I believe God IS OMNIPRESENT, OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENCE, without Beginning, without Ending.
* I believe God HAS numerous names, titles, descriptions.

( I believe God’s numerous names, titles, descriptions Gives a Human man INDICATIONS, of WHAT PARTof God IS DOING WHAT, WHY, and WHO it will Affect and WHEN and WHY. )

Part ?? of God? (Hand, Power, Light, Knowledge, Understanding, Wisdom, Mind, Soul, Breath, Word, Truth, Head, Feet, Body, Seed, Eyes, Emotions….etc. YES PARTS….(same as human men have parts and numerous names, titles, descriptions, yet ONE man.)

* I believe God HAS a specific Design, Plan, Intent, Outcome FOR ALL of His CREATIONS;
According TO; Gods Order and Way and HIS MAKINGS regarding His CREATiONS.

Jer 24:
[23] Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
[24] Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

If the Son is God, why is he seated at the right hand side of God.?

It is for the benefit of Carnal thinkers envisioning Jesus sitting in a seat of Honor…

Fact IS:
Isa 66:
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

 

[Wrangler]

It is for the benefit of Carnal thinkers envisioning Jesus sitting in a seat of Honor…

LOL. Or the trinity is not in the Bible and you cannot accept the reality that one does not sit on their own .

 

[Taken]

LOL. Or the trinity is not in the Bible and you cannot accept the reality that one does not sit on their own .

Bible is not in the Bible.
Trinity is a description of He who was, is and is to Come…Lord God Almighty.

 

[Wrangler]

Bible is not in the Bible.
Trinity is a description of He who was, is and is to Come…Lord God Almighty.

"Bible" is not anti-Biblical doctrine.

 

[Taken]

"Bible" is not anti-Biblical doctrine.

Bible is a description of a written, bound, book of Scripture.

 

[RedFan]

If the Son is God, why is he seated at the right hand side of God.?

That's an easy one. It's a honorific position afforded to the risen Christ to demonstrate full restoration to the Godhead. (You might as well ask, "If the Trinity is three persons, how can it be One God" -- because that's the same question you are really posing here, albeit positionally rather than substantively.)

 

[Ritajanice]

That's an easy one. It's a honorific position afforded to the risen Christ to demonstrate full restoration to the Godhead. (You might as well ask, "If the Trinity is three persons, how can it be One God" -- because that's the same question you are really posing here, albeit positionally rather than substantively.)

, As the word says,Jesus is at the right hand of God, no matter what you say, it’s not biblical, it’s your opinion,..

 

[RedFan]

, As the word says,Jesus is at the right hand of God, no matter what you say, it’s not biblical, it’s your opinion,..

You do understand that sitting at the right hand of the Father is a figurative description, don't you? The Father has no hands.

 

[Taken]

You do understand that sitting at the right hand of the Father is a figurative description, don't you?

By her own testimony, her understanding of spiritual things is suspect.

Father has no hands.

I do believe God has an “invisible” (to human eyes), a bodily form and “bodily parts”.

Blood is the “LIFE” of manKIND.
God has no bodily BLOOD.
Gods LIFE IS SPIRIT.

ManKIND, “procreates and makes” physical things with their physical hands”.

God, “Creates and Makes”, all things….
BY His…
Idea, Will, Authority, Word, Speech, Power….
(Not tinkering around in a Lab or shop or kitchen, as humans do).

Rather God SAYS and it IS Accomplished…
* Humans WERE at an Ancient point…(of generationally Learning ABOUT God.)
* Humans ARE at a Historical point…(of individually ACCEPTING what God revealed IS Accomplish-ED, called: FINISHED.
* Humans ARE in waIting…(for the FUTURE accomplishment, TO BE….DONE.)
* Whereby Earthly Humans and Earthly Animals (whose LIFE IS: BLOOD) shall become MADE EXTINCT….
* AND…Their LIFE MADE “Spiritual”…
* AND Their HABITAT (face of the EARTH) MADE “as it IS IN Heaven”…
Gods Kingdom.
Gods Throne.
Gods VISIBLE Presence.
Only Gods Good and Faithful Forever Living (Bloodless) Spiritual People… (ie. Body’s, (without blood), Souls (without sin), Spirits willingly subject TO Gods TRUTH.

* SOME Humans Have / ARE “TAKING” advantage of Gods OFFERING, (while alive in their Flesh bodily BLOOD Life….)
TO BE MADE “accounted” IN GODS RECORDS…..
OF ALREADY:
* Body freely Given unto Death (ie their blood Life).
* Soul Saved
* Accepted Gods SEED and rebirth of their Spirit.
They “ARE” prepared and sealed, to ONLY be “claimed, redeemed, resurrected, by and with the Lord God”..

* Others are teetering “on the fence, making no commitment.” Unprepared.

* Others have / Are committing to total Rejection of the Lord God.

No problem. Every individual shall Be Given exactly What they freely Choose AND prepare for.

Not secret….
Luke 11:
[23] He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.



Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

Bible is not in the Bible.
Trinity is a description of He who was, is and is to Come…Lord God Almighty.

Appeal to Strawman. Reducing the argument to semantics. I said the trinity is not in the Bible. I did not say the word “trinity” is not in the Bible.

 

[TigersPaw]

You are yet to ask intelligent questions...if you need help with this let me know

I would ask a question, but I need some one with intelligence to respond. So far it was just you.
No reason to ask a question when you know the answer. I am sorry you are having such difficulty gripping the obvious.
I will pray you find your way.

 

[Wrangler]

I am not sure, why their is difficulty understanding the Trinity.
Its grade school logic

It's contrary to logic - no matter what grade.

P1. There is a 3 person committee that makes up the whole.
P2. One person on this committee is fully the whole.
C. 3 = 1.

 

[TigersPaw]

It's contrary to logic - no matter what grade.

P1. There is a 3 person committee that makes up the whole.
P2. One person on this committee is fully the whole.
C. 3 = 1.

For me, there is no difficulty. So no its not contrary to my logic.
Maybe cause I am old and no longer have these issues.
So I disagree its 100% perfectly logical.
Logic for one person is not the same as the next.
I get it some struggle with it, I don't easy peezy.

 

[Wrangler]

For me, there is no difficulty. So no its not contrary to my logic.

Logic is not personal. It either is or is not contradictory.

 

[Taken]

Appeal to Strawman. Reducing the argument to semantics. I said the trinity is not in the Bible. I did not say the word “trinity” is not in the Bible.

Rev 4:
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, [/B] Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. [/B]

Can you expressly SAY WHO IS: being called…holy, holy, holy…Was, Is, Is to come…Called by the Description;
Lord God Almighty?


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ritajanice]

You do understand that sitting at the right hand of the Father is a figurative description, don't you?

Yes he has.
Jesus is sitting at the right hand of God, you have no idea what he looks like.no more than I do.

The Father has no hands.

You don’t know what his hand looks like,....of course he has hands, you think I’m that daft to think he has human hands.

He’s got hands just as his word says.
You just voiced your opinion ,as did I.

Have you ever wondered what God's hands look like? They are HUGE (Isaiah 40:12) and powerful (Ps 28:5), gentle (Luke 4:40) and tender (Matt 19:13).

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Audio Crossref Comm Hebrew Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For the LORD Almighty has purposed, and who can thwart him? His hand is stretched out, and who can turn it back? New Living Translation The LORD of Heaven’s Armies has spoken— who can change his plans? When his hand is raised, who can stop him?” English Standard Version For the LORD of hosts has purposed, and who will annul it? His hand is stretched out, and who will turn it back? Berean Standard Bible The LORD of Hosts has purposed, and who can thwart Him? His hand is outstretched, so who can turn it back? God holds me in the palm of his hand, that I do know. What does it mean may God hold you in the palm of his hand? What Does It Mean That God Has You in the Palm of His Hand? The Bible talks about God holding us in His hands throughout the Old and New Testaments. It is a language used to convey that we are held securely by the grip of God's grace. In Psalm 139:10, David describes that God will always be present to lead and hold us.