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David in NJ

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RedFan said:
Bottom line for me: IF Scripture is your only talisman for establishing the validity of the Trinity, I can't add much. But if anyone wants to discuss Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms, I am happy to engage with my fellow Early Church Fathers fans and explain why I think they actually got it right!

Perhaps it should be a separate topic. This one has become so contentious. New topic link below.


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This one has become so contentious.

Spirit vs flesh will ALWAYS bring about contentions = ALWAYS

Your name is Stephen, YES

Have you forgotten the "contentions" against JESUS in the Gospel, as well as those against Stephen from Acts chapter 7 ???

Galatians 4:28
Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.

SHALOM
 
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David in NJ

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Youre so far away from me!
Well that is because i do not fight against the TRUTH but accept my FATHER"S every word.

Religion, human intellect and sometimes yourself teeter-totter back and forth = one minute in Truth then the next in unbelief and denial.
 
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True…we do not agree…but hope you sounding off made you feel better.

BTW… While you reject Jesus is God…that SEED OF God, IS Christ!!

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That seed in my spirit is the Holy Spirit ..not Jesus.

The Spirit testifies with our spirit that we are Gods children?
 

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Of course he was resurrected - but in the context of first fruits, not as the god Phoenix.

Jesus was resurrected by God. Roman’s 10:9. He did not rise by his own power as the Greek Phoenix.

John 10:
[17] Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus IS the Christ.
Christ IS the Power of God.


Glory to God,
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No thanks!
To be frank I was happy when it was banned even though many know my position on the subject. I was happy picking at its edges so to speak...but I'm happy to show you all the truth.
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Well that is because i do not fight against the TRUTH but accept my FATHER"S every word.

Religion, human intellect and sometimes yourself teeter-totter back and forth = one minute in Truth then the next in unbelief and denial.
No, David, it’s just that you don’t yet have the tools to demonstrate an understanding. If you tried, you would likely stumble, and while that may not look ideal, it's part of the learning process.
 
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David in NJ

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The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.
This BELIEF is the Foundation God laid in Genesis and Confirmed in the Gospel and by the Apostles and finally Revelation

Are you still in the Dark Ages???
 

David in NJ

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No, David, it’s just that you don’t yet have the tools to demonstrate an understanding. If you tried, you would likely stumble, and while that may not look ideal, it's part of the learning process.
No, David, it’s just that you don’t yet have the tools to demonstrate an understanding

Well i KNOW i can count on you for a real GUT-BUSTER like this one.........ty
 

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The most important fact proving Jesus is not God - he died!

Scripture does not say half of Christ died but his better half survived the crucifixion. Trinitarians just read that into text that says he died, meaning what you wrote above.
1Pe 3:18 - For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[fn] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
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1Pe 3:19 - by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
 

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1Pe 3:18 - For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us[fn] to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
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1Pe 3:19 - by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
Great verse RLT!

Anther proof text Christ died in Sins Flesh and was made alive by the Spirit of God.

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1 Corinthians 15
Berean Standard Bible Par ▾
The Resurrection of Christ
1Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, and in which you stand firm. 2By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4that He was buried, that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5and that He appeared to Cephasa and then to the Twelve. 6After that, He appeared to more than five hundred brothers at once, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7Then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all He appeared to me also, as to one of untimely birth.
9For I am the least of the apostles and am unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace to me was not in vain. No, I worked harder than all of them—yet not I, but the grace of God that was with me. 11Whether, then, it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed.
The Resurrection of the Dead
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.
The Order of Resurrection
20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.
24Then the end will come, when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father after He has destroyed all dominion, authority, and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For “God has put everything under His feet.”b Now when it says that everything has been put under Him, this clearly does not include the One who put everything under Him. 28And when all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will be made subject to Him who put all things under Him, so that God may be all in all.
29If these things are not so, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them? 30And why do we endanger ourselves every hour? 31I face death every day, brothers, as surely as I boast about you in Christ Jesus our Lord. 32If I fought wild beasts in Ephesus for human motives, what did I gain? If the dead are not raised,
“Let us eat and drink,
for tomorrow we die.”c
33Do not be deceived: “Bad company corrupts good character.”d 34Sober up as you ought, and stop sinning; for some of you are ignorant of God. I say this to your shame.
The Resurrection Body
35But someone will ask, “How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?” 36You fool! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37And what you sow is not the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or something else. 38But God gives it a body as He has designed, and to each kind of seed He gives its own body.
39Not all flesh is the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another, and fish another. 40There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the splendor of the heavenly bodies is of one degree, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is of another. 41The sun has one degree of splendor, the moon another, and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power. 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”;e the last Adam a life-giving spirit.
46The spiritual, however, was not first, but the natural, and then the spiritual.47The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. 48As was the earthly man, so also are those who are of the earth; and as is the heavenly man, so also are those who are of heaven. 49And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so also shall we bear the likeness of the heavenly man.
 
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I'm trying to get Brakelite to see a plain truth which is staring him in the face but he will not bring himself to acknowledge it.

If the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) and the death Christ died he died to sin once (Romans 6:10) - How can he be God is he died to sin once?

@Brakelite God cannot die to sin—please understand this crucial point! Your sins were represented in Christ’s body because He bore the consequences of sin in His death, even though He was sinless. The only way God could justly remove the law of sin and death from His people was by having a Son who would willingly obey from the heart and die the death of a sinner.

He was numbered with the transgressors and died a transgressors death even though he was sinless in character he still died to sin ONCE!

Do you understand?

I'm trying to explain this as simply for you as possible.

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The Body God PREPARED Died on the Cross.

The Body God SENT to Earth, God said He would be a Father to Him, and He would be to God a Son.

God does not REPRODUCE offsprings….
God DECLARES who are His children, His sons.

Your dilemma is trying to understand spiritual things with a carnal mind…
 
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