The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

[Timtofly]

No,the armed forces occupying Israel are not beheaded for their testimony of Jesus .

The king of the south attacks the king of the norths armed forces stationed in Israel and kills them at the time of the end.


This is when the two witnesses and their army under them is killed in verse 40.

Daniel 11:39-49
39 He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.[d]

40 “At the time of the end the king of the South will engage him in battle, and the king of the North will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.

That already happened back in the 3rd kingdom. You are transposing Greek history into the future.

 

[Timtofly]

False
The first beast with seven heads came up out of the sea.Thosbos the beast which received a deadly wound.

The last beast ,comes up out of the abyss .


As is Daniel .There are ten horns who have one mind.
Then there is a little horn diverse from.the first.The little horn which persecutes the saints is not the same as the ten horns .The ten horns attack Babylon.The little horn is the king of Babylon.


The dragon which attempted to kill the child in revelation 12 was Herod,.

Obviously the sea is the sea of humanity, ie human government.

Satan comes in and out of his house when the front door is opened at the 5th Trumpet.

 

[tailgator]

That already happened back in the 3rd kingdom. You are transposing Greek history into the future.

You believe the time of the end when the resurection takes place was In Greek history?
I would not expect anything less from you.

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

 

[Timtofly]

The point is,Jerusalem does not kill the two witnesses.You miss the point.


Mathew
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Jerusalem is included as riding on the same 7 headed beast. But the 6 heads are still historical kingdoms from the time of Daniel.

 

[Timtofly]

The text of the 6th seal doesn't mention anything like that, nor fire or burning of any kind either.

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

No, but 2 Peter 3 does and that is the same event as the 6th Seal.

 

[Timtofly]

You believe the time of the end when the resurection takes place was In Greek history?
I would not expect anything less from you.

Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

You quoted from chapter 11. Why are you moving to another chapter?

 

[tailgator]

You quoted from chapter 11. Why are you moving to another chapter?

Chapter 12 is a conversation about the events in chapter 11.
They never stopped their conversation and changed the subject.Its still the same conversation about the same subject.

The time, times and a half time in Daniel 12 begins with the arrival of the man of sins armed forces in Daniel ,11:31 and ends with the resurection in Daniel 12:2.
The persecution of the saints in Daniel 12:33-35 last for 42 months just as revelation 13 shows.


A time,times and a half time =42 months



Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand

 

[ewq1938]

No, but 2 Peter 3 does and that is the same event as the 6th Seal.

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

 

[tailgator]

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

The cloud departing as a scroll being rolled together is where the fire is .

The beast and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire 1000 years before the devil is cast in.

 

[ewq1938]

The cloud departing as a scroll being rolled together is where the fire is .

There is no fire in such a description.

 

[tailgator]

There is no fire in such a description.

You would know there is if you knew what kind of cloud departs from the earth as a scroll being rolled together.That kind of cloud is also accompanied by an earthquake as also described in Rev 6.

This happens when such as cloud departs from the earth.

Zech 14
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

And yes,this is what happens in Jerusalem on the day of the Lord when Jesus comes.Them in judea flee to the mountains to hide in the dens of the mountains and say to the mountains to fall on us just as revelation 6 shows.It doesn't take place all.over the world.Just one area of the world.The kingdom where the beast resides today.


Luke 23
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.



The GWT judgement takes place 1000 years after this.Then it will be the entire world.

 

[Timtofly]

Chapter 12 is a conversation about the events in chapter 11.
They never stopped their conversation and changed the subject.Its still the same conversation about the same subject.

The time, times and a half time in Daniel 12 begins with the arrival of the man of sins armed forces in Daniel ,11:31 and ends with the resurection in Daniel 12:2.
The persecution of the saints in Daniel 12:33-35 last for 42 months just as revelation 13 shows.


A time,times and a half time =42 months



Daniel 12
10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand

The end of the time of the Greeks has not been ongoing for 2300 years.

There is no explicit explanation that either chapter even talks about the Romans. Of course the discussion goes all the way to even our future. Daniel is seeing the mountains in the distance, except there were 3 mountain ranges with hundreds of miles between each mountain range. How can you say there is a divide between Greece and Rome, but then deny the chapter is still talking about Greece?

Not even the NT writers could imagine there was 2,000 years left, before a return of Jesus, even though a time, times, and half a time is 3500 years. Amil will deny the last 1,000 years even exist. You just take fulfilled prophecy and appropriate it for your own life time.

You are using the end of the Greek Empire, and "Roman Empire" to concoct a 7 year period, you think is yet to happen.

 

[Timtofly]

Same event but no fire mentioned in the seal? It is not the same event. The seal describes the second coming, 2 Peter 3 describes events after the GWTJ are over.

The GWTJ is over a thousand years after the baptism of fire, just like we are 2,000 years post the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Jesus does not baptize at the end of His Millennial Kingdom. Jesus baptized the NT church at the beginning. So the baptism of fire happens at the beginning of the Millennial Kingdom.

 

[Timtofly]

There is no fire in such a description.

How many times do the heavens dissappear?
2 Peter 3:10

"in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise"

Revelation 6:10

"and the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together"

Matthew 24:29

"the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Before Jesus sets up His earth, this old one has to go through a change, including the heavens forever changing.

 

[tailgator]

The end of the time of the Greeks has not been ongoing for 2300 years.

There is no explicit explanation that either chapter even talks about the Romans. Of course the discussion goes all the way to even our future. Daniel is seeing the mountains in the distance, except there were 3 mountain ranges with hundreds of miles between each mountain range. How can you say there is a divide between Greece and Rome, but then deny the chapter is still talking about Greece?

Not even the NT writers could imagine there was 2,000 years left, before a return of Jesus, even though a time, times, and half a time is 3500 years. Amil will deny the last 1,000 years even exist. You just take fulfilled prophecy and appropriate it for your own life time.

You are using the end of the Greek Empire, and "Roman Empire" to concoct a 7 year period, you think is yet to happen.

Chapter 11 is about the events leading up to the time of the end in chapter 11.

It has nothing to do with anything that took place thousands of years ago.
If you actually would have paid attention to the chapter in the last few decades,you would have watched half the chapter fulfilled before your eyes.Insted ,you have ignored the events being fulfilled because you thought the chapter was ancient history.