Made Sinless Forever : By the Blood of Jesus.

[Behold]

Reader,

Any time you have a "OSAS" type of Thread up and running....., you are going to find most of all..... Christians and the hyper religious.. who do not understand their Salvation, or do not have any Salvation.... coming to the Thread try to prove that the born again still have their sin.
In Fact if you have sin, then Jesus does not have your sin, and you are not saved yet, you are not forgiven yet, and you are not born again yet..

Its also a fact, that a Thread that is discussing a sinning Christian, is proving that the OP does not understand what it means to be Born again.

So, here is something you have to learn..... Hebrews 13:9........ and its something you receive as understanding by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Listen..
When you are told that you need to sin and confess and repeat, as someone like ronald nolette will tell you, then you understand that this person has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, as the Blood Atonement. They do not understand "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

So, here is what you absolutey have to learn, if you are born again, or you will remain a Hebrews 6:1 baby Christian all your life., and never mature past it.

First, you have to LEARN, that your body and your mind, are not born again.... Its only your SPIRIT Man that has received the "BORN......again", Birth that is proof you have received God's "GIFT of Salvation".

So, once you get that 1st revelation, then what im going to tell you next, teach you, will become very obvious.

Now, the SON-Daughter of GOD, is the BORN. .again..., Spirit.........not your mind, and not your body, as your body is "dead because of Sin", and you'll get a new one.., and your mind has to be renewed... Paul teaches.

And what im showing you in this Thread, is HOW to do it....

So, now understanding that your BORN AGAIN Spirit,= is the LITERAL "Son-Daughter" of God, who is "A Spirit"... then once you understand this, then the NT will begin to open for you, regarding many many places that ""didnt make sense before"".

Now, understanding that the BORN AGAIN Spirit, is the Child of God, is the LITERAL Son/Daughter of God, then we understand this..

A.) "The body that is dead because of sin" is going to be buried or cremated and your "old man of sin" is DEAD..."Crucified with Christ".

So, what is left is the REAL YOU... is the actual Eternal Child of God, the Eternal Son-Daughter of God...= its your Born again Spirit that is inside your body....Colossians 2:11 .. that has become BORN AGAIN...."In Christ".... as "one with God",.... and is "seated in Heavenly places"...right now.

Listen now.. carefully....

Your born again Spirit that is the Child of God......that will get a NEW BODY.........is this..

= '"" not under the LAW........but Under Grace"

And that means that every CHRISTian, exists here.....

= "Where there is no LAW........there is no TRANSGRESSION"...

Now that means that by YOU becoming Born again Spiritually.....= The Law never again, can define you, as a SINNER, or your deeds as sin.
Never again
And this is because .. """"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL .. Sacrifice for your sin"... so, that takes care of your sin, forever.

So, when Heretics try to tell you, that "NO, only your sin before you were saved is covered, not later sin".. then you show them the words...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME..... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... = ETERNAL, ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin...and then ask them to get lost and stay lost.

Now Listen ....

And so... now, that you always exist where the LAW can't touch you, or define you, because you exit in the Kingdom of God were there is no Moses Law or Commandments....... you are now always "made free from sin"... having become "The righteousness of God in Christ".

That is who you are, forever, if you are Born.......again.

You are forever this one....

"As Jesus is....so are the born again.......in THIS World"......= and Jesus has no Sin.

And one more..

Does this mean you will never want something that is not good for you, or does it mean that you wont do something that you should not do?
OF course not....as your MIND is not born again, so, its going to have to be trained by..."the renewing of your mind"... and that takes time.

Always remember...

There is no sin found "in Christ""..... and every born again CHRISTian, is "IN CHRIST""

Thre is no sin found as "one with God" and that is every Christian found, as "one with God".

There is no sin found in Heaven, and every Christian is "seated in Heavenly places, IN CHRIST".. right now. and always are you "IN CHRIST"..

Now, once you get this revelation of who you have become, as a born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation in Christ".. you are going to meet a lot of Christians who have no idea what they have become., and are not going to realize it, as they are cult trained and mind owned.
They are in their Carnal mind, and they are trying to perform for God, to try to keep what is already Eternal..
They are going to believe and tell you, that you have sin, and you have to confess it...

Ignore these Heretics, who are probably also a Calvinist.

So, just realize that once you understand who you have become "in Christ"..."born again Spiritually"... as the "new Creation"... most other Christians... will not understand what you now understand as the revelation of who you are become "in Christ".

 

[quietthinker]

@ Behold
Now that you have implemented all the right efforts and have risen above ordinary mortals you now have the dubious title of 'holier than thou'. Your status therefore qualifies you to give plenty of advice in how to pull up socks (howbeit, according to your definition)

One of the posters kindly stated in the last 24 hrs regarding interaction with you, 'But, I felt more beat down than lifted up, and more discouraged than heard'.

I guess that's what a 'holier than thou' perspective generates....ie, discouragement.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Listen..
When you are told that you need to sin and confess and repeat, as someone like ronald nolette will tell you, then you understand that this person has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, as the Blood Atonement. They do not understand "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

I have never in all my life heard anyone tell someone they need to sin.

 

[Verily]

Here are just a few scriptures showing the blood of the everlasting covenant and the mercies of David in Jesus Christ, just to have them here for those who might be lurking looking for a few scriptures on it. I do not see the continuation of sin or anything like that.

This is pretty cool

Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Who is the faithful witness (Isaiah 54:3-4, John 10:29 & Rev 1:5)

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.(Psalm 16:10,& Acts 2:31)

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.(Acts 13:37)

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[quietthinker]

Here are just a few scriptures showing the blood of the everlasting covenant and the mercies of David in Jesus Christ, just to have them here for those who might be lurking looking for a few scriptures on it. I do not see the continuation of sin or anything like that.

This is pretty cool

Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Who is the faithful witness (Isaiah 54:3-4, John 10:29 & Rev 1:5)

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.(Psalm 16:10,& Acts 2:31)

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.(Acts 13:37)

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

If only those scriptures were understood!

 

[Behold]

One of the posters kindly stated in the last 24 hrs regarding interaction with you, 'But, I felt more beat down than lifted up, and more discouraged than heard'.
I guess that's what a 'holier than thou' perspective generates....ie, discouragement.

Well, your opinion is noted.
But, consider that the same told me that they have now........ after some time... after talking to me, ... a while back.... they have now done what i told them to do..(back then)..... and now they "see it"...
So, their discouragement, was not what i told them......it was that they waiting and stayed in the wrong situation.. instead.
Now that has changed.

 

[Behold]

I have never in all my life heard anyone tell someone they need to sin.

Sure you have, and i'll prove it to you.....

There are always found, those who teach a false Christianity. and that is many types... so here is the one you've heard many times, and will again... that you stated that you've "Never heard".
But you have.....

Here is what they say...

"well, i have my besetting sin, and you know.. its just like Paul said over there, somewhere in that bible (that i dont study)......He said that "what he wants to do, he can't and what he hates to do, that is what He does'"""... .So, im just like that... i have my sin, and just like Paul, i can't stop... so, that is my broken Christianity... powerless, failed..ignorant of Truith.....as all i can do is sin, and confess, and repeat, just Like Paul Said".. Just like Ronald Nolette Teaches and Episkopos and many others on THIS FOURM and on ALL "christian" Forums.
They were taught that dishonest deceiving nonsense and they repeat it....

See that?
That DUNG Theology, is everywhere, and MOST Christians believe that nonsense, because the faith ruined person who taught them this, in Their Church, or online, or from a commentary, ....is just like them...... He or SHE....never read the REST of What Paul Teaches...

Which is This..

A.) "Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY".. over the world the flesh and the devil.

So, THAT is the END of Paul's teaching that only began with.. "that which i want to do, i can't"... "who will deliver me from this body of sin (death)..".

See.....Most Christians, never read the REST of His Teaching.. including the IDIOT Failed "teacher" who taught them their False Christianity....= "sin, confess, repeat"...

See, you have to study ALL of the NT..... You have to study ALL of what Paul teaches and not just 3 or 4 verses that are used by HERETICS to hopefully ruin people's faith.

 

[Truther]

I have never in all my life heard anyone tell someone they need to sin.

Good old Methodist or Episcopalian theology.

 

[Behold]

I have never in all my life heard anyone tell someone they need to sin.

Its not exactly like that...

The (heretics) dont "tell you to sin"..........what they do, is misrepresent Paul's verse that said.....>"that which i hate i do".. and then they falsely connect it to 1 John 1, that says "if we confess our sin"...

So, they take those and teach..........."yeah, you are going to sin... nothing you can do about it". "you're a sinner"..

And that teaching is Cross denying Heresy, that rejects the finished work of Jesus on the Cross.

Now, what has happened is that a completely false understanding of Christianity has been taught, and its basically this..

Your Christianity is........"Sin... confess..........repeat".


See that?
That is a lie that is taught by most denominations, and by most Christians.........and the issue is.......... they dont understand the blood atonement,..........and they never read the REST Of what Paul teaches.... , where He teaches this..

"Christ Always gives me the VICTORY" over the world, the flesh, and the devil..

and..

"I can do ALL THINGS through Christ, which strengthens me"..

 

[Behold]

So how are we "made sinless" forever?

Its 2 situations...

1.) "God hath made JESUS to BE SIN.. for us.. ".. because "JESUS is the ONE TIME... ETERNAL... sacrifice for sin"..

2.) The born again are "NOT under the Law... but under GRACE"..

See those 2?. .. Those explain why a CHRISTian, is sinless and not under the law.

And why is it vital that God's salvation delivered the born again from the Law?

its because when you are """"NOT under the LAW... but under GRACE"""""... then the law can define your behavior... ever again, as sin..

"Where there is no Law, there is no SIN...Transgression"... found.

 

[Runningman]

Reader,

Any time you have a "OSAS" type of Thread up and running....., you are going to find most of all..... Christians and the hyper religious.. who do not understand their Salvation, or do not have any Salvation.... coming to the Thread try to prove that the born again still have their sin.
In Fact if you have sin, then Jesus does not have your sin, and you are not saved yet, you are not forgiven yet, and you are not born again yet..

Its also a fact, that a Thread that is discussing a sinning Christian, is proving that the OP does not understand what it means to be Born again.

So, here is something you have to learn..... Hebrews 13:9........ and its something you receive as understanding by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Listen..
When you are told that you need to sin and confess and repeat, as someone like ronald nolette will tell you, then you understand that this person has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, as the Blood Atonement. They do not understand "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

So, here is what you absolutey have to learn, if you are born again, or you will remain a Hebrews 6:1 baby Christian all your life., and never mature past it.

First, you have to LEARN, that your body and your mind, are not born again.... Its only your SPIRIT Man that has received the "BORN......again", Birth that is proof you have received God's "GIFT of Salvation".

So, once you get that 1st revelation, then what im going to tell you next, teach you, will become very obvious.

Now, the SON-Daughter of GOD, is the BORN. .again..., Spirit.........not your mind, and not your body, as your body is "dead because of Sin", and you'll get a new one.., and your mind has to be renewed... Paul teaches.

And what im showing you in this Thread, is HOW to do it....

So, now understanding that your BORN AGAIN Spirit,= is the LITERAL "Son-Daughter" of God, who is "A Spirit"... then once you understand this, then the NT will begin to open for you, regarding many many places that ""didnt make sense before"".

Now, understanding that the BORN AGAIN Spirit, is the Child of God, is the LITERAL Son/Daughter of God, then we understand this..

A.) "The body that is dead because of sin" is going to be buried or cremated and your "old man of sin" is DEAD..."Crucified with Christ".

So, what is left is the REAL YOU... is the actual Eternal Child of God, the Eternal Son-Daughter of God...= its your Born again Spirit that is inside your body....Colossians 2:11 .. that has become BORN AGAIN...."In Christ".... as "one with God",.... and is "seated in Heavenly places"...right now.

Listen now.. carefully....

Your born again Spirit that is the Child of God......that will get a NEW BODY.........is this..

= '"" not under the LAW........but Under Grace"

And that means that every CHRISTian, exists here.....

= "Where there is no LAW........there is no TRANSGRESSION"...

Now that means that by YOU becoming Born again Spiritually.....= The Law never again, can define you, as a SINNER, or your deeds as sin.
Never again
And this is because .. """"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL .. Sacrifice for your sin"... so, that takes care of your sin, forever.

So, when Heretics try to tell you, that "NO, only your sin before you were saved is covered, not later sin".. then you show them the words...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME..... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... = ETERNAL, ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin...and then ask them to get lost and stay lost.

Now Listen ....

And so... now, that you always exist where the LAW can't touch you, or define you, because you exit in the Kingdom of God were there is no Moses Law or Commandments....... you are now always "made free from sin"... having become "The righteousness of God in Christ".

That is who you are, forever, if you are Born.......again.

You are forever this one....

"As Jesus is....so are the born again.......in THIS World"......= and Jesus has no Sin.

And one more..

Does this mean you will never want something that is not good for you, or does it mean that you wont do something that you should not do?
OF course not....as your MIND is not born again, so, its going to have to be trained by..."the renewing of your mind"... and that takes time.

Always remember...

There is no sin found "in Christ""..... and every born again CHRISTian, is "IN CHRIST""

Thre is no sin found as "one with God" and that is every Christian found, as "one with God".

There is no sin found in Heaven, and every Christian is "seated in Heavenly places, IN CHRIST".. right now. and always are you "IN CHRIST"..

Now, once you get this revelation of who you have become, as a born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation in Christ".. you are going to meet a lot of Christians who have no idea what they have become., and are not going to realize it, as they are cult trained and mind owned.
They are in their Carnal mind, and they are trying to perform for God, to try to keep what is already Eternal..
They are going to believe and tell you, that you have sin, and you have to confess it...

Ignore these Heretics, who are probably also a Calvinist.

So, just realize that once you understand who you have become "in Christ"..."born again Spiritually"... as the "new Creation"... most other Christians... will not understand what you now understand as the revelation of who you are become "in Christ".

Unfortunately, being sinless forever isn't really a doctrine. I wish it were so. It would tidy things up a lot and be nicer, but the reality is that believers who go on sinning without repentance, regardless of whether or not they believe, will be held accountable for those sins and possibly denied entrance to heaven.

Only believers can cast out demons:
Mark 16
17And these signs will accompany those who believe: In My name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;


Believers who casted out demons were judged and denied heaven:
Matthew 7
21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’

23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

 

[Behold]

Unfortunately, being sinless forever isn't really a doctrine.

There is no sin found "in Christ"
There is no sin found "in God"
There is no sin found "in Heaven".

So, ALL the born again are..,

"In Christ"
"one with God"
"seated in heavenly places"..


See that? There is no sin found there...

Now, if the person is not born again, but just water baptized and religious, then they certainly are still a sinner, needing to confess.

 

[PGS11]

It comes across as more like pride than humility for the sacrifice Jesus made.Every sin you commit lands right on the back of Jesus maybe you should consider that - you may be saved but your still a sinner everyone is and that must be acknowledged with confession and repentance - if you haven't repented and continue the sin how can you be forgiven.Salvation is not a free pass to continue to sin the battle must fought until the last day.You are still in a fallen state until Jesus has raised you and washed you of your sins and temptation will always surround you.Who is capable of judging themselves in this world.

I don't live in philosophy I have to face the real world with sin at every turn hatred and violence everywhere and constantly be on guard in rejecting this worlds way of selfishness and greed that are completely out of control.This horrible fallen world that we live in festering sin everywhere.

 

[Davy]

Reader,

Any time you have a "OSAS" type of Thread up and running....., you are going to find most of all..... Christians and the hyper religious.. who do not understand their Salvation, or do not have any Salvation.... coming to the Thread try to prove that the born again still have their sin.
In Fact if you have sin, then Jesus does not have your sin, and you are not saved yet, you are not forgiven yet, and you are not born again yet..
....

You do all kinds of name-calling against those who know their Bible and refuse to fall into the trap of men's false doctrines, one specifically called 'Once Saved, Always Saved'.

That is a FALSE DOCTRINE that disagrees with God's written Word, no matter how much the OSAS drug pushers TRY... to make it the qualification for Christ's Salvation!

What Apostle Paul showed is that our original belief on Christ and baptism is for the remission of our sins THAT ARE PAST. That means sins up to that POINT IN TIME. We still... need to REPENT to Jesus of future sins we may find ourselves doing. Apostle John revealed this need in 1 John 1.

Rom 3:24-25
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

I have heard personal witness from some on that false OSAS doctrine of men reveal their Church DOES NOT HOLD HOLY COMMUNION WITH CHRIST. Communion time with Jesus is for remembering His death and resurrection, what He did for us on His cross, BUT ALSO to work out problems with Him in our life, LIKE SIN.

You know what else that person on man's false OSAS revealed? They do NOT say the prayer Jesus gave His disciples AND US to pray per Luke 11, "Our Father Who art in Heaven...". Why? Because it INCLUDES ASKING FORGIVENESS OF OUR SINS!

Luke 11:2-4
2 And He said unto them, "When ye pray, say, 'Our Father Which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3 Give us day by day our daily bread.

4 And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.
KJV

 

[Behold]

It comes across as more like pride than humility for the sacrifice Jesus made.Every sin you commit lands right on the back of Jesus maybe you should consider that -

Sin, is defined as sin.. by the LAW.

its the LAW that defines your carnal deed as a "SIN"..

So, the Born again CHRISTian, is become a '""new creation".... "in Christ"..

This establishes the "new creation" to be as Jesus IS.... and Jesus is not under the Law.............and so, by being IN CHRIST.... the born again CHRISTian, is "not under the law... but under Grace"..

What does that mean?
It LITERALLY means, that "where there is no LAW.. there is no SIN".. found.. = there is no LAW or 10 Commandments that can define someone who is a "new creation" in CHRIST">...........as anything., as the CNRISTian , is now eternally "made righteousness"".. having become..

"The righteousness of GOD... in CHRIST".. and that is what it means to have become a "NEW Creation"... "IN Christ" = BORN... again....spiritually.

 

[Behold]

sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

"sins that are past"..........means that the born again Christian... is forever delivered from Sin.......as all that is "in the PAST",, as now the CHRISTIAN, is "under GRACE"... and never again found as a sinner.
See, when there is "no LAW, then there is no SIN" found,.,. and all the born again are """NOT...UNDER.. THE ..LAW..., but under Grace"""....... = FOREVER.

 

[Davy]

Who then would NOT want us to COMMUNE WITH CHRIST, nor ask Him forgiveness of future sins we may commit? Who would want us to not do that? THE DEVIL HIMSELF AND HIS CHILDREN! That is who is behind that false OSAS doctrine of men!

Being in Christ does not mean living in LA-LA Land, not paying attention to our actions and HOW we live. But Satan's OSAS says, in the same tone as in Eden, "You don't have to worry about having sin anymore, all sin you may ever commit is automatically forgiven and forgotten." No brethren, it is not AUTOMATICALLY forgiven and forgotten, not if you fail to REPENT.

The idea in God's Word is about a WALK in Christ, WITH Him, not using Him as a set of crutches to fall back on. That's what OSAS does, is try to turn Christ's Salvation into a set of crutches that you can USE for your own vanity.

Hebrews 6 should be an eye opener about those who fall away from Christ, because it's about the one who turns away from Christ after they had been shown gifts by The Holy Spirit, and tasted of the power of the world to come, that those WILL NOT BE SAVED, but are like briers and thorns that are destined to be burned.

 

[Hobie]

Reader,

Any time you have a "OSAS" type of Thread up and running....., you are going to find most of all..... Christians and the hyper religious.. who do not understand their Salvation, or do not have any Salvation.... coming to the Thread try to prove that the born again still have their sin.
In Fact if you have sin, then Jesus does not have your sin, and you are not saved yet, you are not forgiven yet, and you are not born again yet..

Its also a fact, that a Thread that is discussing a sinning Christian, is proving that the OP does not understand what it means to be Born again.

So, here is something you have to learn..... Hebrews 13:9........ and its something you receive as understanding by revelation of the Holy Spirit.

Listen..
When you are told that you need to sin and confess and repeat, as someone like ronald nolette will tell you, then you understand that this person has no understanding of the Blood of Jesus, as the Blood Atonement. They do not understand "the finished work of Jesus on the Cross".

So, here is what you absolutey have to learn, if you are born again, or you will remain a Hebrews 6:1 baby Christian all your life., and never mature past it.

First, you have to LEARN, that your body and your mind, are not born again.... Its only your SPIRIT Man that has received the "BORN......again", Birth that is proof you have received God's "GIFT of Salvation".

So, once you get that 1st revelation, then what im going to tell you next, teach you, will become very obvious.

Now, the SON-Daughter of GOD, is the BORN. .again..., Spirit.........not your mind, and not your body, as your body is "dead because of Sin", and you'll get a new one.., and your mind has to be renewed... Paul teaches.

And what im showing you in this Thread, is HOW to do it....

So, now understanding that your BORN AGAIN Spirit,= is the LITERAL "Son-Daughter" of God, who is "A Spirit"... then once you understand this, then the NT will begin to open for you, regarding many many places that ""didnt make sense before"".

Now, understanding that the BORN AGAIN Spirit, is the Child of God, is the LITERAL Son/Daughter of God, then we understand this..

A.) "The body that is dead because of sin" is going to be buried or cremated and your "old man of sin" is DEAD..."Crucified with Christ".

So, what is left is the REAL YOU... is the actual Eternal Child of God, the Eternal Son-Daughter of God...= its your Born again Spirit that is inside your body....Colossians 2:11 .. that has become BORN AGAIN...."In Christ".... as "one with God",.... and is "seated in Heavenly places"...right now.

Listen now.. carefully....

Your born again Spirit that is the Child of God......that will get a NEW BODY.........is this..

= '"" not under the LAW........but Under Grace"

And that means that every CHRISTian, exists here.....

= "Where there is no LAW........there is no TRANSGRESSION"...

Now that means that by YOU becoming Born again Spiritually.....= The Law never again, can define you, as a SINNER, or your deeds as sin.
Never again
And this is because .. """"Jesus is the ONE TIME.... ETERNAL .. Sacrifice for your sin"... so, that takes care of your sin, forever.

So, when Heretics try to tell you, that "NO, only your sin before you were saved is covered, not later sin".. then you show them the words...

"Jesus is the ONE TIME..... ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin"... = ETERNAL, ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin...and then ask them to get lost and stay lost.

Now Listen ....

And so... now, that you always exist where the LAW can't touch you, or define you, because you exit in the Kingdom of God were there is no Moses Law or Commandments....... you are now always "made free from sin"... having become "The righteousness of God in Christ".

That is who you are, forever, if you are Born.......again.

You are forever this one....

"As Jesus is....so are the born again.......in THIS World"......= and Jesus has no Sin.

And one more..

Does this mean you will never want something that is not good for you, or does it mean that you wont do something that you should not do?
OF course not....as your MIND is not born again, so, its going to have to be trained by..."the renewing of your mind"... and that takes time.

Always remember...

There is no sin found "in Christ""..... and every born again CHRISTian, is "IN CHRIST""

Thre is no sin found as "one with God" and that is every Christian found, as "one with God".

There is no sin found in Heaven, and every Christian is "seated in Heavenly places, IN CHRIST".. right now. and always are you "IN CHRIST"..

Now, once you get this revelation of who you have become, as a born again Spirit, that is the "new Creation in Christ".. you are going to meet a lot of Christians who have no idea what they have become., and are not going to realize it, as they are cult trained and mind owned.
They are in their Carnal mind, and they are trying to perform for God, to try to keep what is already Eternal..
They are going to believe and tell you, that you have sin, and you have to confess it...

Ignore these Heretics, who are probably also a Calvinist.

So, just realize that once you understand who you have become "in Christ"..."born again Spiritually"... as the "new Creation"... most other Christians... will not understand what you now understand as the revelation of who you are become "in Christ".

Until you sin like Ravi Zacharias or Jimmy Swagart, so you are giving a lie from the father of lies, as we all can be tempted till probation closes at the end..

 

[Davy]

"sins that are past"..........means that the born again Christian... is forever delivered from Sin.......

That above statement brethren should be EASY... to know that the devil himself planted it in the minds of those who follow men's false OSAS doctrines.

Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
KJV

Greek for that word "past" is proginomai, which means...

NT:4266
proginomai (prog-in'-om-ahee); from NT:4253 and NT:1096; to be already, i.e. have previousy transpired:

KJV - be past.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Apostle Paul was VERY CLEAR on that point that he was speaking of the remission of sins that had PREVIOUSLY TRANSPIRED, and NOT future sin.


What does it mean then brethren, when you encounter someone who so blatantly goes directly against the written Bible Scripture?? Who are they actually serving, even though they might just be deceived and in ignorance?

 

[Davy]

Brethren in Christ, it's important to realize that when Apostle Paul spoke positively about your Salvation, it included doing the things he also taught in his Epistles, like in Galatians 5, a foundational doctrine Book for Christianity.

In Galatians 5, Paul said for us to 'walk by The Spirit' and we won't fulfill the lusts of the flesh (i.e. sinning).

Gal 5:16-18
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
KJV

That's a CONDITION Paul says above, NOT AUTOMATIC. We are not under the law IF... we walk by The Holy Spirit.

Do you know ANY brother or sister in Christ that is PERFECT in their walk by The Spirit? There is only ONE born in the flesh that I know of that was PERFECT while in the flesh, and that is our Lord Jesus Christ!

Gal 5:19-25
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Do you know ANY brethren that have been found guilty of any of the above sins AFTER they had become a Christian? I do. The ones I know of repented afterwards, to Christ and to their spouses, and got their lives back on track walking in The Spirit.


22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV

So don't listen to the devil's children, stay in God's Word as written and watch, because there are many deceivers in the world, especially at this day and time as we get closer to the end of this world.