The Third (Ezekiel's) Temple of Israel, Project 1534
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And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. (Matthew 25:10)
But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy. (Isaiah 65:18)
Naught but a surfeit of delusional private interpretation.
Who in historic orthodox true Christianity after the first century espouses your ideas?
Do you want to follow tradition? The name of the beast from the earth is Tradition:
παράδοσις = (80 + 1 + 100 + 1 + 4 + 70 + 200 + 10 + 200) = 666 (Matthew 15:2)
Do you want to lead a cult? The name of any other gospel is accursed. Galatians 1:8-9
Earburner
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Again....
Rev. 21
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
If you are an opponent of the Third Temple, which we are commanded to build by the word of God, written in your Bible, then what god do you serve and why do you hate the real Jesus Christ so much?
The city you refer to will only be entered by Israelites from the tribes of Israel. There are gates with the names of the tribes. If you are an opponent of the Temple described in the Bible, then you are not from the tribes of Israel and you will not be allowed into the city. Not into the New Jerusalem, not into Yahweh Shammah.
Earburner
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This is new to me. Are there other members of your church that share your understanding?
Why do you hate the New Testament Church which is the Temple of which the real Jesus Christ is the Head?
Do you think that the opinion supported by 2 billion people on earth is more correct than the one supported by 2 people? If you think so, you are wrong. The truth is not established by the majority of "yes" votes.
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Correction: In the past, Ezekiel's temple WAS the temple for the second coming of Jesus Christ back in AD 70. Just before it was torn down to the last stone, including that eastern gate for the direction in which Jesus Christ returned to the Mount of Olives across from Jerusalem.
This temple in Ezekiel was already built in Zerubbabel's days, in the post-exilic return.
Galgal, there is one thing you are not remembering: this temple in Ezekiel was required to have a high priesthood limited ONLY to those Levite priests who came from the family of ZADOK, with an unbroken lineage coming from that family name (Ezekiel 44:15). Anyone who could not prove an unbroken genealogy through the Levite tribe was "polluted" and not permitted to serve in the priesthood at all (Ezra 2:62). In the post-exilic return, Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest (Haggai 2:2) did have such an unbroken lineage back to Zadok that scripture has preserved for us.
But nobody today can possibly prove an unbroken genealogy all the way back to Zadok. That means no one can possibly serve as a priest in any temple built. This Ezekiel temple was already built according to the commands given by God in the post-exilic return. "And the elders of the Jews builded, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they builded AND FINISHED IT, according to the commandment of the God of Israel" (with Ezekiel's temple plans), "and according to the commandment of Cyrus, and Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia. And this house was finished on the third day of the month Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of Darius the king." (Ezra 6:14-15).
The truth is not established by cults. It was established by Christ and upheld by the Church of His faithful obedient saints through the centuries.
Who are some of those saints after the first century that agree with your interpretations?
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No, this Temple was never built. This is a well-known fact, and the Jews know it well. If you read Ezekiel, you would understand this too. Even if you read my first answers in this thread, you would also understand that this Temple could not even technically have been built in ancient times.
Firstly, there will be no high priests in the Temple described by Ezekiel. Secondly, "sons of Zadok" is translated as "sons of Justice", this expresses the moral requirements for the Kohanim. According to the prophecy of Isaiah, those who are among the saints and are the spiritual descendants of the lost tribes of Israel can also be taken as Kohanim:
And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the Lord out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the Lord, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the Lord.
And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the Lord.
(Isaiah 66:20-21)
Therefore, even I, a person who does not know a single Jew among my ancestors in the flesh, could theoretically become a kohen - but I am not suitable for this service due to my age and physical fitness.
This is the opinion of the Orthodox Jews, but God thinks differently. Those of the Kohanim who manage to offer their services to God in time, before the Temple is built, can be accepted into service. And those who are late can then only become Levites, helping to slaughter sacrificial animals.
The Second Temple did not match Ezekiel's description of the Temple. The Jews know this, I don't know why you don't know this.
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Of course Ezekiel's temple was built. The scripture passage I quoted from Ezra says so. You just don't want to believe that text.
You need to read the entire text of Ezekiel 44 regarding why God forbad any Levite family except that of the ZADOK family members to come near to him and serve in the high priesthood role in the post-exilic return. The Levites could serve in the temple in other ways, but they could not come into the holy of holies in Ezekiel's temple built in the post-exilic return.
God has not designed any further temple animal sacrifices to be offered subsequent to the "change in the law" which made Christ Jesus both our Great High Priest after the order of Melchizedek, and also our Passover Lamb. Those OT animal sacrifices were called "the weak and beggarly elements" which were not required anymore under the New Covenant in Christ's blood. "It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin."
The scriptures themselves disagree with the Jews' opinions today. I don't know why you don't know this.
For those who haven't done the research on their own into Ezekiel's Third Temple prophecy.
According to Ezekiel, there is no high priest in the Third Temple. (Guess why?)
There is no curtain in the Third Temple separating the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Tabernacle hall. (Can you explain that?)
There will be no menorah in the Temple. (What did the menorah symbolize?)
There will be no table of showbread in the Temple. (What did the showbread symbolize?)
There will be no daily evening sacrifices in the Temple. (Try to explain that too.)
There will be no Passover lambs slaughtered in the Temple. (I hope everyone understands why.)
There will be no celebration of Shavuot/Pentecost in the Temple. (Why?)
There will be no casting of lots for the two goats on Yom Kippur in the Temple. (explain if you can.)
All these changes to the Law of Moses cannot be explained within the framework of Judaism, therefore the Temple described in Ezekiel could not have been carried out by Zerubbabel.
According to Ezekiel, there is no high priest in the Third Temple. (Guess why?)
There is no curtain in the Third Temple separating the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Tabernacle hall. (Can you explain that?)
There will be no menorah in the Temple. (What did the menorah symbolize?)
There will be no table of showbread in the Temple. (What did the showbread symbolize?)
There will be no daily evening sacrifices in the Temple. (Try to explain that too.)
There will be no Passover lambs slaughtered in the Temple. (I hope everyone understands why.)
There will be no celebration of Shavuot/Pentecost in the Temple. (Why?)
There will be no casting of lots for the two goats on Yom Kippur in the Temple. (explain if you can.)
All these changes to the Law of Moses cannot be explained within the framework of Judaism, therefore the Temple described in Ezekiel could not have been carried out by Zerubbabel.
The Second Temple did not match Ezekiel's description of the Temple: it was built on a different site, there was no water flowing from under the threshold of the Temple, part of the Dead Sea did not become fresh, and there were no fishermen from Ein Gedi to Ein Eglaim. The Second Temple did not have an upward extension with each subsequent floor. The Second Temple did not have a "free space" in front of the 33 rooms on three floors. The Second Temple did not have a double wall divided by a gap - between the 6-cubit wall of the Tabernacle and the 5-cubit wall of the outer part of the House where the storerooms were located. The Second Temple did not have 30 rooms on a pavement along the perimeter of the outer wall - according to Ezekiel, there will be 28 dining halls in these rooms. The size of the Second Temple was smaller than described in Ezekiel. The altar, the structure of which we know from the Talmud, did not correspond to the description and dimensions of the altar described by Ezekiel. I have already written above that in the Third Temple there should not be a curtain separating the Holy of Holies. And this list of inconsistencies can be continued.
The Zadok family exists only in your imagination. "Sons of Zadok" is an idiomatic expression, similar to "children of the kingdom" or "children of the wicked one."
No one says that the blood of the sacrificial animals in the Third Temple will erase sins. As in the previous Temples, all sacrifices will point to the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ did not abolish the law. Many years after the resurrection of Jesus Christ, the Jews who believed in Him continued to bring sacrifices in the Temple, and the Apostle Paul also participated in at least one such sacrifice.
The Gentiles were not required to fulfill the Law of Moses, but no one abolished the Law for the Jews, the entire first Church continued to observe all the provisions of the Law.
In this case, it is not the opinion of the Jews, but a historical fact: the Second Temple was not the fulfillment of Ezekiel's prophecy.
Even a superficial examination of the general plan of the temple complex described by Ezekiel makes it clear that this Temple is not like previous Temples.
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And how do you know this? Were you there in Zerubbabel's days as he was helping to build it from start to finish? Remember, Herod's temple renovations greatly changed what the Second temple looked like during those 46 years in building it, as of Christ's first Passover. Jerusalem's temple by then had become one of the wonders of the world at that time.
Zadok was not an imaginary person. And his family descendants were not imaginary. God specifically prohibited the other Levites and their families from serving as a high priest in that temple described in Ezekiel, because they became unfaithful during their Babylonian exile. Only the family of Zadok had remained faithful, and their reward was to be the only ones allowed to come near unto God and offer Him the fat and the blood, and to minister "in the MOST HOLY PLACE" (Ez. 44:13). To enter the Holy of Holies was the role of the high priest back then in Zerubbbel's days, when Joshua son of Josedech with his Zadok genealogy was set up as the high priest in the rebuilt Ezekiel temple.
Nobody said Christ abolished the law. He fulfilled it by becoming the prophesied High Priest after the order of Melchizedek - a superior order than that of the Levites.
Christ Jesus is a priest forever after this superior order of Melchizedek. This was that "change in the law" which Hebrews 7:12 spoke of. "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." The Old Covenant died as soon as Christ established the New Covenant in His blood on His resurrection-day ascension. We know the OC and its rituals died then because Hebrews 8:13 says so. It was dead, and it was decaying, and it was ready to "vanish away", once God physically tore the whole system down to the last stone in AD 70 so that it would never be rebuilt again.
It matters not that the Jews continued to offer sacrifices in memory of sin in their obsolete physical temple after Christ's death and resurrection. Those sacrifices had become replaced by "better things" at that point, and the apostle Paul warned believers not to return and submit to Judaism. Judaism and the temple was scheduled for a fiery ending which was about to devour the Jews in that first century Roman / Jewish war period.
Daniel 12:7 had predicted long ago that the power of the holy people would be shattered, and it was back in AD 70 .
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