Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?

[St. SteVen]

Interesting that those who say that gifts are not for today claim the exact opposite.



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[Lambano]

Christians prefer to demonize them. (sigh)

The Holy Spirit gets an honorable mention now and then.
While they continue to hold him at arms-length.

How blasphemous!

But all this squabbling over one particular gift seems so unseemly.

 

[Lambano]

I was in a healing meeting some years ago when someone asked for prayer for a man in another city that had an inactive bladder. (???)
I cell phone call to a relative let them know that we were praying for him.
The relative called the man with the bladder issue to let him know that we were praying for him.
When they picked up the call, they were mopping up the mess. His bladder had miraculously started working.

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I'm torn between the impulse to laugh out loud and the desire to praise God for the gift of healing. Maybe both. At the same time. "The laughter of the redeemed".

 

[St. SteVen]

But all this squabbling over one particular gift seems so unseemly.

Tongues is the "gift" that draws the most polarized response.
I think I hit it the hardest on this topic. (compared to others on the subject)
And it has drawn impassioned responses from both sides.

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[St. SteVen]

God established the Gifts for the Bride of Christ for Her DURATION until She is "Face to Face" with Her Husband, the LORD Jesus Christ.

Some attempt to make the Body of Christ an amputee by removing body parts. Sick!

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[Lambano]

Interesting that those who say that gifts are not for today claim the exact opposite.

What spiritual gifts would be useful for the Body of Christ today? And let's not limit ourselves to what's listed in 1 Corinthians 12 and 14 and in Romans I'm-too-lazy-to-look-it-up?

 

[Lambano]

Tongues is the "gift" that draws the most polarized response.

Why do you think that is?

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Tongues is the "gift" that draws the most polarized response.

Why do you think that is?

That's a fantastic question, thanks!

I have read testimony of people who have run out the back door of the church
when they heard a harmless little grandma lady speaking in tongues. - LOL
I attributed it to culture shock. A completely foreign church experience to them.
Since they couldn't process it, they assumed some devilry was involved.

No one gets overly excited if they hear that a healing took place in a church.
And if someone stands up and gives a prophecy, they probably won't run out the back door.
If a stranger approaches you with a word of knowledge or wisdom, it may even resonate with you.
But the whole congregation speaking in their personal prayer language? Yikes!

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[MA2444]

I'm torn between the impulse to laugh out loud and the desire to praise God for the gift of healing. Maybe both. At the same time. "The laughter of the redeemed".

It's about unbelief. People who are against tongues or any of the gifts are the people who have never seen a miracle happen. Or maybe they prayed for a miracle some time and didn't get an answer to the prayer so they gave up on it. When they should have embraced it and studied and prayed aout them to familiarize themselves with what it is and how it works. They demand a sign and then wont even believe the sign when it does happen! (Well they was obviously faking it!) Of course! Don't they remember? It is about Faith and Believing is the way God set it up.

Everyone has enough faith to move mountains! What they dont have is Belief, which means they dont walk in it with their actions! (And where is that in scripture, it aint!) For those who know the Lord well enough that they are willing to (walk in it) Believe in it will find it to be a very useful tool in their walk. The instruction book isn't very clear! Have Faith! (I don't understand it!) Lean not upon your own understanding....! So you dont get to understand it! Much of Gods signs and miracles for it to become a positively answered Prayer, they need to take steps to put it in the Lords hands in such a way as to say, I trust you and believe you can and will do this, even if I dont understand it how!

The little girl in Miracle on 34th Street spoke the truth! Seeing isn't believing, Believing is Seeing! When you Believe first, then after that you will see!

(Sounds spooky to me man!) And you bet it is! God loves to awe us with unfathomables, lol. It's a Spiritual War going on and we are foot soldiers in God's army. The Victory has been won by Jesus and all we have to do is to Enforce the victory until He returns. Tongues is a powerful tool in our issued equipment. It's powerful and is like a ray gun of Prayer to God Himself. So why would some say oh that's no good I like regular bullets and understand them because I can see them! Wrong! It is written, Look to the unseen. It's a lot more real than any give it credit for. SO in frustration, most of them wont even read their Field Manual for proper instructions! Wow. Sad.

 

[MA2444]

Reject tongus as a viable tool in ones equipment is like saying, I don't want an AR15 but I trust my recurve Bow. AR15's are bunk and complicated! My Bow & Arrow is simple! Yeah! Who needs an AR15 anyway?!

Idiots! Believing is seeing. You either try in your actions or you dont. That dont mean fake tongues, though I have seen that and you can tell, because it is used unscripturally.

 

[David in NJ]

Reject tongus as a viable tool in ones equipment is like saying, I don't want an AR15 but I trust my recurve Bow. AR15's are bunk and complicated! My Bow & Arrow is simple! Yeah! Who needs an AR15 anyway?!

Idiots! Believing is seeing. You either try in your actions or you dont. That dont mean fake tongues, though I have seen that and you can tell, because it is used unscripturally.

i just purchased a Diamond Deploy SB Bow to shoot with my two sons AND i purchased a starter bow/Blackout Faze for my wife.
It will be fun to watch my wife shoot and i am hoping that she accepts the challenge.

Have not purchased a new bow nor hunted in 30 years.

 

[GodsGrace]

LOL

Since speaking in tongues is neither a salvation issue nor an obedience issue,
many just shrug it off as if it is of no benefit to them. That is what I am trying to address here.

The list of questions leads to the last one. (no need to answer them all, or any...)
- You don't have to speak in tongues. - Or do you?

Do you understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits?

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Yes. SS. Hidden in your OP is a very serious question....
but not today.

Tongues is just a gift....one of the many.

I don't mean JUST a gift....I mean ONLY one of the gifts.
I think they're all important.

I don't think it's a NECESSARY gift...
although it would be nice.

That's it.
Sorry.

 

[GodsGrace]

Why you don't have to speak in tongues - Or do you?​

My tongue speaks at every opportunity....and that in a non native language, but who can understand it? I certainly do. Even here at this forum, many have no idea what I'm saying; they might even think I'm blaspheming.....because their native language is preferable to them.

....and what is my/ their native language? is it not the language of self justification, of survival of the fittest and relegating those who poke in the eye to hell.
.....so, what is the language my tongue speaks when opportunity arises? It is the good news for the broken hearted and hope for the despairing. It is the message of the wonderful works of God. Acts 2:11

.....further; listen to Peter's explanation of what and how this fits together....Acts 2:22-36

It is too often assumed that speaking in tongues is about making physical sounds in an unlearned/ foreign language......and this may well be in certain circumstances, however what is missed is what was/ is spoken of/ about.

How many manifestations of the modern phenomena of 'speaking in tongues' shares the message of the resurrected Jesus, of hope for the hopeless and comfort for the downtrodden of sin?

From my experience in circles that practice 'speaking in tongues', gobbledygook and self engrandisment has been the order of the day.

You made me laugh QT....
but I do agree with you.
BTW,,,,I speak in tongues too !
LOL

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Do you understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits?

Tongues is just a gift....one of the many.

I don't mean JUST a gift....I mean ONLY one of the gifts.
I think they're all important.

If you think tongues is JUST a "gift", then you do NOT understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits.
The "gift" of tongues is #3 in the list below. The other four are not gifts. (available to all believers, #5 is a rare occurrence)

From the OP:

Five Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
2) Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
3) Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
4) Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
5) Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2


Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
Typically recognized as the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A personal prayer language is a precious ability to speak with God whenever you want.
Not that you need tongues to speak to God, but tongues takes it to a new level.
And tongues is the entrance to many other gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Those in the church in Corinth were tongues-speakers.
They were ready to understand and receive all the gifts.

Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
Similarly, the ability to speak in tongues is useful in praying for others.
Allow the Spirit to speak and pray the perfect prayer for the situation.

Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
This is considered to be the GIFT of tongues. The Holy Spirit delivering a message to the church.
The interpretation of tongues is required to make the message understandable. (edifying)

Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
During a worship service, tongues is useful to enter in at a deeper level.

Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2
A rare occurrence, but points back to the original outpouring at Pentecost.

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[GodsGrace]

St. SteVen said:
Do you understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits?

If you think tongues is JUST a "gift",

I said it is NOT JUST a gift.

then you do NOT understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits.
The "gift" of tongues is #3 in the list below. The other four are not gifts. (available to all believers, #5 is a rare occurrence)

Maybe I do.
I think I said that's all I had to say.
Catch you in another thread.....

From the OP:

Five Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
2) Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
3) Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
4) Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
5) Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2


Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
Typically recognized as the initial evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit.
A personal prayer language is a precious ability to speak with God whenever you want.
Not that you need tongues to speak to God, but tongues takes it to a new level.
And tongues is the entrance to many other gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Those in the church in Corinth were tongues-speakers.
They were ready to understand and receive all the gifts.

Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
Similarly, the ability to speak in tongues is useful in praying for others.
Allow the Spirit to speak and pray the perfect prayer for the situation.

Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
This is considered to be the GIFT of tongues. The Holy Spirit delivering a message to the church.
The interpretation of tongues is required to make the message understandable. (edifying)

Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
During a worship service, tongues is useful to enter in at a deeper level.

Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2
A rare occurrence, but points back to the original outpouring at Pentecost.

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[talons]

If you think tongues is JUST a "gift", then you do NOT understand the different uses (kinds) of tongues and the benefits.
The "gift" of tongues is #3 in the list below. The other four are not gifts. (available to all believers, #5 is a rare occurrence)

From the OP:

Five Uses of Tongues
1) Personal prayer language (speaking to God) See Acts 1:5, 1 Corinthians 14:2 and Acts 19:6
2) Intercessory prayer language (prayer in the Spirit) See Romans 8:26
3) Congregational message (preferably with interpretation) 1 Corinthians 14
4) Worship language (singing in tongues) See 1 Corinthians 14:15
5) Evangelistic language (language of the hearers) Like the outpouring at Pentecost. See Acts 2

Why do you say the other four listed are not gifts ? Is not the Holy Spirit empowering the Christian ?

I would say all of the Five you list are the Gift of Tongues not just #3 . If the Holy Spirit gives the utterance it is the Gift of Tongues .

Acts 2:4​

“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

 

[MA2444]

i just purchased a Diamond Deploy SB Bow to shoot with my two sons AND i purchased a starter bow/Blackout Faze for my wife.
It will be fun to watch my wife shoot and i am hoping that she accepts the challenge.

Have not purchased a new bow nor hunted in 30 years.

I took my wife out to shoot .22 rifles for our first date! I didnt know I would meet her and I already had plans so I just brought her along! She had never seen a gun up close let alone shoot one coming from Poland. After she got pregnant and I got us a place to live together and she seen the extent of my gun collection...(!!!) she said, one gun goes off in the house and their all gone! (thinking about the kids!) Luckily by the time the young one was old enough to go learn how to shoot (2-3 yrs old), he had a little Brother. Soo...two kids means two parents have to go for safety. To watch the other one while I was helping one to shoot! SO she had to go, lol!

She learned to be a great shot too! I had her where she could hit gallon jugs of water at 100 yards (!!!) with a 5.5" 44 magnum Redhawk and she could hit it about 4 times out of 6. Pretty good for a female!

The kids are grown now and there was any mishaps with guns while they were growing up! I knew that no gun can be child proofed so I had to Gun Proof the children!

 

[MA2444]

Have not purchased a new bow nor hunted in 30 years.

Yeah but do you have an AR15? They're only like 4 or 5oo bucks now!

 

[St. SteVen]

Why do you say the other four listed are not gifts ? Is not the Holy Spirit empowering the Christian ?

I would say all of the Five you list are the Gift of Tongues not just #3 . If the Holy Spirit gives the utterance it is the Gift of Tongues .

Acts 2:4​

“And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.”

That's a good question, thanks.

The reason I say that only #3 is a "gift" of the Holy Spirit, is because it is LISTED in the GIFTS of the Holy Spirit in 1 Corinthians chapter 12.

Certainly anyone could say that any manifestation of the Holy Spirit is a gift, but I would say NOT officially.

If someone asked for a list of the gifts of the Spirit, where would we look? (1Co.12)

1 Corinthians 12:1, 4, 7-11 NIV
Now about the gifts of the Spirit, brothers and sisters,
I do not want you to be uninformed. ...
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. ...
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.
8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom,
to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy,
to another distinguishing between spirits,
to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a]
and to still another the interpretation of tongues.[b]
11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit,
and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.

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[St. SteVen]

I said it is NOT JUST a gift.

Really?

Tongues is just a gift....one of the many.

LOL

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