Apokatastasis in the early church

[amigo de christo]

Job was a un-named prophet also.

It is always about whom God calls a person to be, regardless if that person is rejected by all.

Most always rejected the true prophets . But blessed are you when men shall speak evil about you
for so did they unto the prophets .
Most always embraced the false prophets . But woe unto you when men shall speak well of you
for so did they unto the false prophets .
This world and now a lot of christendom surely hates the true lambs and cling to the wolves in wool ,
but what will THEY do in the END thereof .........................

 

[David in NJ]

Most always rejected the true prophets . But blessed are you when men shall speak evil about you
for so did they unto the prophets .
Most always embraced the false prophets . But woe unto you when men shall speak well of you
for so did they unto the false prophets .
This world and now a lot of christendom surely hates the true lambs and cling to the wolves in wool ,
but what will THEY do in the END thereof .........................

Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

"So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them."

 

[Wick Stick]

Job was a un-named prophet also.

I don't think he was. I would be happy to be proven wrong, but... I don't see a place where he prophesies or is called a prophet. The New Testament authors barely quote Job...

 

[David in NJ]

I don't think he was. I would be happy to be proven wrong, but... I don't see a place where he prophesies or is called a prophet. The New Testament authors barely quote Job...

Job was a prophet by that which God chose for him to reveal to us in his sufferings.
Job's sufferings are the Prophecy, along with the BEST Part = chapters 38 thru 42

Job is quoted in the OT by God Himself and in the NT in the most profound Truth for what is coming.

Noah was a prophet as well = He believed BEFORE that which was spoken came to pass, thus JESUS spoke of Him in prophetic terms.

We need to think and SEE the Way God thinks and Knows

 

[St. SteVen]

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[amigo de christo]

Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

"So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them."

Always remember my friend , if me , an angel , a talking tree or a donkey
comes to you and claims we BELIEVE JESUS is CHRIST but then try and make believe as though
its not necessary for others to have had to beleived , IT MEANS WE USE HIS NAME TO PROMOTE A LIE and thus
SOMETHING has went dead wrong . too many now use JESUS name and say they BELIEVE
but give all them other false religions a pass and act as though somehow they can perform the golden rule
without CONFESSING , BELIEVING JESUS IS THE CHRIST . its a sham friend . we got far too many false christains amongst us now
too many oprah wimphrey and pope francis folks .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant,
And as a root out of dry ground.
He has no form or comeliness;
And when we see Him,
There is no beauty that we should desire Him.
He is despised and rejected by men,
A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.
And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him;
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.

"So when He had washed their feet, taken His garments, and sat down again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you?
You call Me Teacher and Lord, and you say well, for so I am. If I then, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. For I have given you an example, that you should do as I have done to you.
Most assuredly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master; nor is he who is sent greater than he who sent him.
If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them."

Always remember NO LIE is of the truth . WHO is a liar , But he who denies that JESUS is the CHRIST , he is anti christ
AND not rather as many try and say is just some fellow who knows GOD in his own way and does some lovey do crap .
ITS a sham friend . THIS SHAM is about to take the rest of christendom and this world RIGHT TO ANTI CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Job was a prophet by that which God chose for him to reveal to us in his sufferings.
Job's sufferings are the Prophecy, along with the BEST Part = chapters 38 thru 42

Job is quoted in the OT by God Himself and in the NT in the most profound Truth for what is coming.

Noah was a prophet as well = He believed BEFORE that which was spoken came to pass, thus JESUS spoke of Him in prophetic terms.

We need to think and SEE the Way God thinks and Knows

Many cliam to be a prophet or claim they prophesy of GOD .
The SPIRIT of PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE CHRIST
not some fable that sounds like love that tries to imply unbelievers who follow them false religoins
somehow know GOD and somehow perform the golden rule , EVEN THOUGH they do NOT CONFESS JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
ITS all a lie friend . ITS A LIE i am gonna keep exposing . I will have no part n this LIE that TRODS JESUS UNDER FOOT .
TO ME , IF JESUS said it , IT IS TRUTH and it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE . and JESUS as well as the apostels
made darn sure To beleive NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS ANTI CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Job was a prophet by that which God chose for him to reveal to us in his sufferings.
Job's sufferings are the Prophecy, along with the BEST Part = chapters 38 thru 42

Job is quoted in the OT by God Himself and in the NT in the most profound Truth for what is coming.

Noah was a prophet as well = He believed BEFORE that which was spoken came to pass, thus JESUS spoke of Him in prophetic terms.

We need to think and SEE the Way God thinks and Knows

IF you believe not that i AM HE you will DIE IN YOUR SINS .
WOE unto you , it will be worse for you than for sodom on the day of judgment . THEY are removing the BELIEVE IN JESUS part .
ONLY SATAN would do that as HE is the one who does DESIRE THE DEATH of all . but so many seem to love this LIE
as they do all to find common ground with false religons thinking all sorts of dung stuff . JESUS IS BEING DENIED .
THIS lamb will have NO PART IN THAT LIE david . NOT ONE BIT of it will i receive . Rather i will expose the LIE .

 

[David in NJ]

Many cliam to be a prophet or claim they prophesy of GOD .
The SPIRIT of PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE CHRIST
not some fable that sounds like love that tries to imply unbelievers who follow them false religoins
somehow know GOD and somehow perform the golden rule , EVEN THOUGH they do NOT CONFESS JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
ITS all a lie friend . ITS A LIE i am gonna keep exposing . I will have no part n this LIE that TRODS JESUS UNDER FOOT .
TO ME , IF JESUS said it , IT IS TRUTH and it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE . and JESUS as well as the apostels
made darn sure To beleive NOT that JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IS ANTI CHRIST .

The SPIRIT of PROPHECY IS THE TESTIMONY OF JESUS THE CHRIST

Since this is TRUTH, then Job and Noah were prophets by the Spirit of Christ which moved them unto Salvation

1 Peter 1:10-12
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

 

[amigo de christo]

Since this is TRUTH, then Job and Noah were prophets by the Spirit of Christ which moved them unto Salvation

1 Peter 1:10-12
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

People would marvel if they knew how often and just how many
prophets and etc mentioned in the bible , POINTED TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
Even abraham seen it . YES you heard me right , EVEN ABRAHAM SEEN IT , EVEN TO abraham himself was
the gospel preached . And in THY SEED . That seed IS JESUS THE CHRIST .
People would stagger backwards and it would take hours upon hours
to show them JUST HOW many , so very many many places , MENTION CHRIST IN THE OLD TESTAMENT .
ITS A GEM FIELD friend . THERE are so many verses that POINT TO JESUS THE CHRIST .
IT was all always about the ONE WHO WAS TO COME . David , i kid not
THERE are prophcies all over that bible in the old test that DO POINT TO JESUS the CHRIST .
but todays folks wanna DENY HIM . WELL if one denies JESUS the CHRIST , I got real bad news
for them , THEY HAVE DENIED GOD HIMSELF . now that is a plain FACT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Since this is TRUTH, then Job and Noah were prophets by the Spirit of Christ which moved them unto Salvation

1 Peter 1:10-12
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you,searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

Yes i have more to say and this will tick a lot of people off . But out of love for their souls it must be said .
NOW do feel free to test and examine this .
IF a man loveth NOT the Words of GOD that man loveth NOT HE WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS .
IF a man loves not the TRUTH GOD INSPIRED , THAT MAN LOVETH NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST , HAS NOT THE SPIRIT .
If a man lips I LOVE JESUS but heeds men who twist and omits his words to fit their own pleasures
THEN THEY HEED and love another jesus created of men .
And it will not and cannot save them . Satan does not sleep he works through men and many of them men
can wear wool . another fact most seem oddly BLIND TOO .

 

[David in NJ]

Yes i have more to say and this will tick a lot of people off . But out of love for their souls it must be said .
NOW do feel free to test and examine this .
IF a man loveth NOT the Words of GOD that man loveth NOT HE WHO INSPIRED THEM WORDS .
IF a man loves not the TRUTH GOD INSPIRED , THAT MAN LOVETH NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST , HAS NOT THE SPIRIT .
If a man lips I LOVE JESUS but heeds men who twist and omits his words to fit their own pleasures
THEN THEY HEED and love another jesus created of men .
And it will not and cannot save them . Satan does not sleep he works through men and many of them men
can wear wool . another fact most seem oddly BLIND TOO .

On the other forum some were directly opposing the words of Christ.

So i asked them: "Why are you guys lying?"

They ran away after that question.

 

[BarneyFife]

St. SteVen said:
As a young child, long before I was able to read the Bible, I knew what heaven and hell were.
It is woven into our social fabric.

Interesting question, thanks.

I view them as MISrepresented in the Bible.
The word hell should not even be in the Bible. I have a whole list of translations that have removed it. (replaced)

Our Bible came from the western/Latin-speaking Church of Rome. So, it is steeped in the Damnationist view.
Growing up in the evangelical church, I was never told that there were two other views of the final judgement.
Damnationism (a word that was NEVER used) was the only option. And it had always been the fly in the ointment to me.

It was just in the last five years or so that I was introduced to all three doctrines of the final judgment.
Mostly as a way to understand how Universalism fit. It seemed completely foreign to me initially.
My evangelical apologetics went 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

The first BIG hurdle to get over was that if there was no eternal punishment, then there was no eternal life. Say what?

Matthew 25:46 NIV
“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

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Relief came when I realized that one age follows the next.
After an age of restoration comes endless ages for all eternity. (phew)

Ephesians 2:6-8 NIV
And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,
7 in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus.
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—

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Somehow, I feel like you might be selling more than just awareness of 3 options - lol.

:)

 

[BarneyFife]

@St. SteVen

By the way, I see Amigo and Dave have dropped by to spam up your nice thread.

:)

 

[St. SteVen]

Somehow, I feel like you might be selling more than just awareness of 3 options - lol.

Awareness at a minimum. (all I ask)
Admittedly, I'm delighted when the light goes on for someone.

I didn't learn about this at church, neither will they.

Hopefully I haven't lost my soft-sell edge.
Some UR advocates come down on folks pretty hard.
I don't appreciate that approach no matter what you are sharing.

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[BarneyFife]

Awareness at a minimum. (all I ask)
Admittedly, I'm delighted when the light goes on for someone.

I didn't learn about this at church, neither will they.

Hopefully I haven't lost my soft-sell edge.
Some UR advocates come down on folks pretty hard.
I don't appreciate that approach no matter what you are sharing.

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I think you'll be all right.

:)