The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

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Revelation 20:11-15 clearly describes the dead being judged, so there's no reason to think that a reference to "the time of the dead, that they should be judged" (Rev 11:18) would be referring to any other judgment than the one described in Rev 20:11-15. The dead will not be judged at two completely separate judgments.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
The king of the norths armed forces can do all those things written in revelation 11.But before they do,fire must first proceed from their leaders mouths.

And just so you know,70 percent of the king of the norths armed forces claim.to be Christoan with evangelicals taking over as we speak.
 

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You're thinking on this is way out in left field. You're thinking on this a bit disturbing, actually. Why don't you start reading more carefully what some of the texts involved says and then begin using better discernment? For example, the following.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth

Obviously, this "I' and this 'my' is meaning God Himself, and that God says they are His two witnesses, and that he will give power to them.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Notice what verse 6 says---These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3. Verse 6 says they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3.

IOW, your issue is with God Himself if you take these 2Ws to be evil rather than good. Which means your interpretation is in opposition to God's will, that you don't like how God uses good to fight evil. You act as if, the lost being tormented by the 2Ws, that they don't deserve it. Better take that up with God then, because both verse 5 and 6 involve power given to the 2Ws and verse 3 indicates it is God Himself that give the 2Ws this power, such as, to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. satan certainly doesn't give that power to them, God does. And once again, it plainly and clearly says so in verse 3.
What kind of command is given to make fire come down out of heaven?




Revelation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men
 

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I have no reason to disbelieve God.
If I watch as Jesus commands in Mathew 24,then I should know on what watch the thief comes.

Revelation 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.






But there are some who don't watch.They don't know when Jesus is coming .They are oblivious the flood is about to come and take them away.




Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
You're not differentiating between knowing He is coming and being ready for it and knowing the exact day or hour that He will come.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Jesus very specifically tells His followers here that they do not know what hour He will come. Why are you trying to say otherwise as if we can know that? Jesus tells us to be ready for when He does come so that we don't end up with the same fate as the hypocrites He mentioned, but He never says that we will ever know the day or hour that He will come.
 

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The king of the norths armed forces can do all those things written in revelation 11.But before they do,fire must first proceed from their leaders mouths.

And just so you know,70 percent of the king of the norths armed forces claim.to be Christoan with evangelicals taking over as we speak.
This does not address what I said in my post whatsoever.
 

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You're not differentiating between knowing He is coming and being ready for it and knowing the exact day or hour that He will come.

Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Jesus very specifically tells His followers here that they do not know what hour He will come. Why are you trying to say otherwise as if we can know that? Jesus tells us to be ready for when He does come so that we don't end up with the same fate as the hypocrites He mentioned, but He never says that we will ever know the day or hour that He will come.
Have you noticed,the wicked servant says in his heart his master will be away for a long time.

The wicked servant doesn't seem to know when the thief comes because the wicked servant does not watch as he was commanded.
 

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You're thinking on this is way out in left field. You're thinking on this a bit disturbing, actually. Why don't you start reading more carefully what some of the texts involved says and then begin using better discernment? For example, the following.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth

Obviously, this "I' and this 'my' is meaning God Himself, and that God says they are His two witnesses, and that he will give power to them.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Notice what verse 6 says---These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3. Verse 6 says they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3.

IOW, your issue is with God Himself if you take these 2Ws to be evil rather than good. Which means your interpretation is in opposition to God's will, that you don't like how God uses good to fight evil. You act as if, the lost being tormented by the 2Ws, that they don't deserve it. Better take that up with God then, because both verse 5 and 6 involve power given to the 2Ws and verse 3 indicates it is God Himself that give the 2Ws this power, such as, to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. satan certainly doesn't give that power to them, God does. And once again, it plainly and clearly says so in verse 3.
The king of the norths armed forces can do all those things written in revelation 11.But before they do,fire must first proceed from their leaders mouths.

And just so you know,70 percent of the king of the norths armed forces claim.to be Christoan with evangelicals taking over as we speak.
 

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Jerusalem has always loved false prophets and false prophets love Jerusalem.
Jerusalem would not kill a false prophet.
The two witnesses will be more than welcome in Jerusalem.

For 42 months while the saints in Israel are being imprisoned and killed.The two witnesses will be giving orders to kill anyone who oppose the Israeli government.
Why would God, bring these 2 witnesses back to life and take them to heaven, as a reward for their duplicity against God's people?

You claim they are the two horns of the same beast that kills them. What did they do to their own alleged relationship that brought about their death?


I would admit that the purpose of these 2 witnesses is not your standard, modern, Sunday go-to meeting, fellowship of believers, but to say they are of Satan is a very long stretch of your fantasy imagination.

I have posted dozens of times their alter call is choosing to be beheaded, which they could very well facilitate in, just as today's soul winners reap a golden harvest. This is the time of utmost abomination.

This time is after the destructive baptism of fire where all of human works have been literally burned up. This will be after 21 judgments of God. This is the 3rd woe after 2 other horrendous woes. The entire earth will have been turned into a single barren continent that will look like the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust without the dire side effects of nuclear fallout.
 

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Why would God, bring these 2 witnesses back to life and take them to heaven, as a reward for their duplicity against God's people?

You claim they are the two horns of the same beast that kills them. What did they do to their own alleged relationship that brought about their death?


I would admit that the purpose of these 2 witnesses is not your standard, modern, Sunday go-to meeting, fellowship of believers, but to say they are of Satan is a very long stretch of your fantasy imagination.

I have posted dozens of times their alter call is choosing to be beheaded, which they could very well facilitate in, just as today's soul winners reap a golden harvest. This is the time of utmost abomination.

This time is after the destructive baptism of fire where all of human works have been literally burned up. This will be after 21 judgments of God. This is the 3rd woe after 2 other horrendous woes. The entire earth will have been turned into a single barren continent that will look like the aftermath of a nuclear holocaust without the dire side effects of nuclear fallout.
Who said ascending into heaven in a cloud alive is a reward?
It could be a punishment.
Would you want to ascend into heaven in a cloud such as this ?
Alive?







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The beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit,is not the beast that came out of the sea.
They are in the same kingdom but not the same beast.
 

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They ascending up in a cloud to be in Jesus presence.


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
 

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Have you noticed,the wicked servant says in his heart his master will be away for a long time.

The wicked servant doesn't seem to know when the thief comes because the wicked servant does not watch as he was commanded.
Jesus indicated that we can know when His coming is near, but not the exact day or hour. What is hard to understand about that? He specifically said to His followers "ye know not what hour your Lord doth come". Do you think He was wrong about that? What He wants us to do is to be ready for His second coming, not to try to determine the exact day or hour that He is coming.
 
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Who said ascending into heaven in a cloud alive is a reward?
It could be a punishment.
Would you want to ascend into heaven in a cloud such as this ?
Alive?
LOL. Do you seriously think that the following verse is talking about the two witnesses going up towards heaven in a mushroom cloud after a nuclear explosion? LOL!

Revelation 11:11 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

So, you think they are resurrected and then a mushroom cloud is the means by which they are brought up towards heaven? God couldn't use some other means to take them off the earth besides that? He'd have to use a nuclear explosion to do it? LOL!

The text calls them God's witnesses. He gives them the power to do the things that you think they shouldn't do. It's not even talking about them literally killing people or anything like that, but you don't have the discernment to see that. You trying to make them into His enemies instead of His witnesses, as the text indicates, isn't supported by the text at all.
 

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Jesus indicated that we can know when His coming is near, but not the exact day or hour. What is hard to understand about that? He specifically said to His followers "ye know not what hour your Lord doth come". Do you think He was wrong about that? What He wants us to do is to be ready for His second coming, not to try to determine the exact day or hour that He is coming.
So you also say the two witnesses do not ascend into heaven 3.5 days after they are killed?

That is what the discussion is about.
If this is true or not.



You say this is not 3.5 days?

Revelation 11

7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
 

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LOL. Do you seriously think that the following verse is talking about the two witnesses going up towards heaven in a mushroom cloud after a nuclear explosion? LOL!

Revelation 11:11 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

So, you think they are resurrected and then a mushroom cloud is the means by which they are brought up towards heaven? God couldn't use some other means to take them off the earth besides that? He'd have to use a nuclear explosion to do it? LOL!

The text calls them God's witnesses. He gives them the power to do the things that you think they shouldn't do. It's not even talking about them literally killing people or anything like that, but you don't have the discernment to see that. You trying to make them into His enemies instead of His witnesses, as the text indicates, isn't supported by the text at all.
Ballam was a prophet of God.
Have you ever heard of him?

As for the two witnesses they are witnesses of Jesus Christ their Lord .They come to Israel in Jesus name 3.5 years before the time of the end.There will be mamy with the two witnesses.They are not alone.


Mathew 24
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
 

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How does that make logical sense if the beast begins to reign for 42 months as of the 7th trumpet? It doesn't make logical sense. Therefore, the 7th trumpet is meaning at the end of the beast's 42 month reign, not at the beginning of it.
It does not make sense from a human understanding of God's view. That is why the point about the 7 heads and 8 kingdoms/kings is wrongly interpreted.

Revelation 17:10-11

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

This is wrongly interpreted by so many of human logical understanding about God's grace after the 7th Trumpet sounds.

Jesus is already on the earth on a throne when the 7th Trumpet sounds. Jesus is the 7th Kingdom for 3.5 days if Satan is then handed the throne and Kingdom.

That is when the 42 months start. That is when the 2 witnesses begin. The week of the sounding (the days of) the 7th Trumpet is cut in half and the last half is the 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.

People cannot understand why Jesus is declared King of the earth, and 3.5 days later Satan becomes the 8th Kingdom called mystery Babylon.

But John clearly wrote that Satan is one of the 7 heads of the dragon, of the sea beast, and of the scarlet colored beast, because all 3 are the same historical 6 human governments, starting with the 5 in Daniel 2, and the image of that dream.

There are 6 human governments, and the 8th is Satan's mystery Babylon that only last for 42 months. Then at Armageddon, Jesus returns and takes back the throne, and kingdom for the next thousand years.

Everyone seems to contradict Scripture, and deny that Jesus is on the earth on a throne from the 6th Seal until the 7th Trumpet.

That is what Matthew 13 declares, Jesus is on the earth sowing seed. Matthew 25 says Jesus is on the earth, on a throne sitting in Judgment. This all happens before, Satan can take over a throne. If Jesus is not on the earth, then there is no throne of God on the earth Satan will take over, and convince people he defeated Jesus and God.
 

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It does not make sense from a human understanding of God's view. That is why the point about the 7 heads and 8 kingdoms/kings is wrongly interpreted.

Revelation 17:10-11

"And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

This is wrongly interpreted by so many of human logical understanding about God's grace after the 7th Trumpet sounds.

Jesus is already on the earth on a throne when the 7th Trumpet sounds. Jesus is the 7th Kingdom for 3.5 days if Satan is then handed the throne and Kingdom.

That is when the 42 months start. That is when the 2 witnesses begin. The week of the sounding (the days of) the 7th Trumpet is cut in half and the last half is the 3.5 days the 2 witnesses lay dead in Jerusalem.

People cannot understand why Jesus is declared King of the earth, and 3.5 days later Satan becomes the 8th Kingdom called mystery Babylon.

But John clearly wrote that Satan is one of the 7 heads of the dragon, of the sea beast, and of the scarlet colored beast, because all 3 are the same historical 6 human governments, starting with the 5 in Daniel 2, and the image of that dream.

There are 6 human governments, and the 8th is Satan's mystery Babylon that only last for 42 months. Then at Armageddon, Jesus returns and takes back the throne, and kingdom for the next thousand years.

Everyone seems to contradict Scripture, and deny that Jesus is on the earth on a throne from the 6th Seal until the 7th Trumpet.

That is what Matthew 13 declares, Jesus is on the earth sowing seed. Matthew 25 says Jesus is on the earth, on a throne sitting in Judgment. This all happens before, Satan can take over a throne. If Jesus is not on the earth, then there is no throne of God on the earth Satan will take over, and convince people he defeated Jesus and God.

If Jesus is on the earth at the time, why do the 2Ws need to ascend to heaven? Jesus wouldn't even be there per this scenario. So much for any of the following being literally true if anyone leaves Jesus presence after He has returned, rather than continuing in His presence after He has returned.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again , and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also


1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
 

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If Jesus is on the earth at the time, why do the 2Ws need to ascend to heaven? Jesus wouldn't even be there per this scenario. So much for any of the following being literally true if anyone leaves Jesus presence after He has returned, rather than continuing in His presence after He has returned.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again , and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also


1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord
Some people are going to be in Jesus presence who will wish they had never been born.

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
 

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The two evangelicals arrive in Israel 42 months before the time of the end. That would be right here.
How can you call them evangelicals and false prophets when the verse you use, seems God is venging how they are treated, not that they simply go around killing Satan's followers.

"if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed."

Is it fate or karma killing these people?

Or is it God, knowing people's hearts, that these people are killed in the same manner that comes out of each person's own heart? Obviously the 2 witnesses are not being constantly killed over and over again.

You all are wrong, as this is not a time of peace and comfort leading up to a Surprise Second Coming. This is a period of time after the Second Coming, and after the 7th Trumpet has sounded, where life on earth just came through the worse time to live in history, and without the restoration of the Millennium. It is utter chaos and desolation. The earth may literally be without form and a void wasteland. Satan has been working miracles and offering works of man for the price of the LOF in return.
 

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Some people are going to be in Jesus presence who will wish they had never been born.

Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

That is certainly true, the point you bring up. Yet all of that is meaning after the beast has already reigned for 42 months and after ppl have already been worshiping it for 42 months. @Timtofly position appears to be that the 42 month reign of the beast begins at the 7th trumpet and that Christ is bodily present during the beast's entire 42 month reign. That disagrees with the text. The 42 month reign precedes the 7th trumpet and that Christ is not bodily present until the 7th trumpet.

The following, for one, makes that crystal clear that Christ is not yet bodily present when the beast is reigning 42 months.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Who in their right mind would be asking a silly question like this--who is able to make war with him?--if Christ was bodily present at that time? That question is ludricrous if the idea is that Christ is bodily present at the time. Therefore, the beast reigns the entire 42 months first, meaning before the 7th trumpet ever sounds. When the 7th trumpet sounds Christ returns bodily during it.
 

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How can you call them evangelicals and false prophets when the verse you use, seems God is venging how they are treated, not that they simply go around killing Satan's followers.

"if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed."

Is it fate or karma killing these people?

Or is it God, knowing people's hearts, that these people are killed in the same manner that comes out of each person's own heart? Obviously the 2 witnesses are not being constantly killed over and over again.

You all are wrong, as this is not a time of peace and comfort leading up to a Surprise Second Coming. This is a period of time after the Second Coming, and after the 7th Trumpet has sounded, where life on earth just came through the worse time to live in history, and without the restoration of the Millennium. It is utter chaos and desolation. The earth may literally be without form and a void wasteland. Satan has been working miracles and offering works of man for the price of the LOF in return.

Perhaps you did not understand me.

Jerusalem does not kill false prophets who prophecy of peace and safety.
They kill saints who tell them to repent.



1 Thes 5:3
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
 

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That is certainly true, the point you bring up. Yet all of that is meaning after the beast has already reigned for 42 months and after ppl have already been worshiping it for 42 months. @Timtofly position appears to be that the 42 month reign of the beast begins at the 7th trumpet and that Christ is bodily present during the beast's entire 42 month reign. That disagrees with the text. The 42 month reign precedes the 7th trumpet and that Christ is not bodily present until the 7th trumpet.

The following, for one, makes that crystal clear that Christ is not yet bodily present when the beast is reigning 42 months.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?


Who in their right mind would be asking a silly question like this--who is able to make war with him?--if Christ was bodily present at that time? That question is ludricrous if the idea is that Christ is bodily present at the time. Therefore, the beast reigns the entire 42 months first, meaning before the 7th trumpet ever sounds. When the 7th trumpet sounds Christ returns bodily during it.
I agree,The beast governs his kingdom for 42 months before Christ comes and resurects the saints who were killed by the beast during that 42 months.

The only difference between now and during the 42 months is the second beast will be practicing the authority of the first beast on its behalf . He won't have to fight his own battles after the second beast arrives.


Revelation 13:12
It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed.
 
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