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I put 'the church' in quotations...

Surely the Holy Spirit did not inspire such brutality.

Not sure if there has been any proclamation of repentance for these gross transgressions. (hope I'm wrong)

But hey... this is way off topic.
I talked with a priest about those things, and Foxe's book of Martyrs, and he disputed that they ever happened as recorded calling it propaganda. Although did acknowledge some things did happen.
 
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Modern Judaism as a religion is anti-Christ.
You just said we were off topic, so I just went back to your OP and quoted the first line. :hmhehm
In my opinion 2,000 year old "Judaism as a religion"... WAS, and still is, " anti-Christ".

MAT 27:25 And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
26 Then he released for them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him to be crucified.
 

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You just said we were off topic, so I just went back to your OP and quoted the first line. :hmhehm
In my opinion 2,000 year old "Judaism as a religion"... WAS, and still is, " anti-Christ".

MAT 27:25 And all the people answered, "His blood be on us and on our children!"
26 Then he released for them Barabbas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him to be crucified.

And Jesus said - forgive them Lord for thy know not what they do...

Can a prayer of a perfect Messiah not be answered ?

Yet there is a remnant...

In my time there I saw the consequences of openly confessing Jesus were severe for believing Jews. Many kept their faith discrete which some will say is not faith at all, but He knows.

I guess a good outcome of any initiative towards a temple will be to increase the glimmers of light in the Land as the landscape darkens.

He is in control and times are late - what a privilege to be in life now...
 

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In my time there I saw the consequences of openly confessing Jesus were severe for believing Jews. Many kept their faith discrete which some will say is not faith at all, but He knows.

The Believer in Yeshua whose parents are strictly adherents of hyper religious Judaism (The Black Coats).... these born again Jews, can be mistreated by their family.........and will be.....and sometimes ostracized.... utterly.

Whereas, if you are a Sharia Law Country, like Iraq, or Iran, it can be that they will hang you from a Crane and leave your body to rot for a while for all to see., and consider.
Or, they will take a daughter, who has become a Christian.....and tie her up in bed sheets, and in the middle of the street... pour gasoline on the sheets, soaking them (This is her father doing this)... and they set her on fire, and let her burn and scream, and die.

That always reminds me of what the Catholic Cult did to Joan Of ARC.. except they tied her to a wooden stake, and didnt use Gas to burn her alive.
 

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Just maybe Christians will be persecuted for not worshiping at the third temple ?

We shall see...
Many put the future (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) as the ruler of earth during the 3.5 year tribulation "wrong"!

It will be the (Two Witnesses) that rule in bringing all plagues in torturing the evil world, a literal remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, God's in control

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The future (Two Witnesses) "All Plagues" As Often As They Will Representing "God"


Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores
, and repented not of their deeds.
 
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And Jesus said - forgive them Lord for thy know not what they do...

Can a prayer of a perfect Messiah not be answered ?

IMO Jesus wasn’t praying he was personally forgiving the ‘temporal punishment’ of the sin of those crucifying him. He was not forgiving he ‘eternal consequence’. The same was true for Stephen when he was stoned to death. The same was true for those repenting and being baptized by John. ETERNAL FORGIVENESS was not available for anyone until after the price was paid for on the cross.
Yet there is a remnant...
And I think they are also the “overcomers” of the churches in the book of Revelation.
 

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I talked with a priest about those things, and Foxe's book of Martyrs, and he disputed that they ever happened as recorded calling it propaganda. Although did acknowledge some things did happen.
Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .
Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .
THE TRUE VERSION and HOW IT SHOULD BE USED IS THIS right here my friend , GOD IS LOVE
GOD does not desire the death of any , ITS WHY HE SENT THE SON SO THAT ALL WHO DO BELEIVE BELEIVE BELEIVE
in HIM WOULD NOT PERISH but have Everlasting life .
ONE VERSION POINTS TO DEATH , THE OTHER TO LIFE . AND YET THE same scrips were used . SATAN IS SLICK .
but the lambs DONT HEED HIM
 
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Now think deeply on this and pray feverently about this .
I have.....starting about the time you were born, and for 10 years thereafter. :innocent:
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Satans version . GOD is love , GOD does not desire the death of any , So no matter what one believes
in the end THEY WONT PERISH , they wont be damned .
And yet Christians have been DEAD and PERISHING in their graves for 2 millenium????

What does "GOD DESIRE" and what is His ultimate "WILLING"?

2PE 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING that any should PERISH, but that all should come to repentance.

Your ultimate WILL or God's ultimate WILL? I'm betting on His ultimate will.
As for the verse you quote that says "DAMNED"???? Let's look at it IN CONTEXT.

MAR 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be DAMNED.
17* And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;


You believe, "he that believes" goes to heaven, and 'he who does NOT believe', goes to eternal hell! But what does THE BIBLE say without even having to "think deeply and praying fervently"?

Have you ever "cast out demons" or do you "speak in tongues"???? Wait, shouldn't the comparison OF an UNBELIEVER and a BELIEVER in that verse say IF YOU BELIEVED YOU WENT TO HEAVEN AND THE DAMNED UNBELIEVER WENT TO HELL???? Now go study the only other two verses with "damned" in them and see what the CONTEXT is. Rom 14:23 and 2Thes 2:12.

Now let's just get 'back to the topic' like Carl askd for....just before you went 'off topic' with your last post. A post which I just got tired of looking at, as the last word.... :backtop:
 

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This reminds me of a born again Christian friend who was an English major at a secular college. One elective was "Literature of the Bible." We all know the Bible is a rich tapestry of literal history, lots of figurative language, poetry, edicts, and various rhetorical devices. He was disappointed that rather than uplift the Holy text, the class was presented as a critique.
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me. John 5:39

God can reveal Himself to those who aren't looking for Him. Even to those trying to prove His non existence by critiquing the Bible as a mere literary novel.
But what we are talking about is the possibility of students hearing from their teachers significant cynicism and doubt that anything the scriptures have to say is worthwhile, let alone Truth. Many sincere believing active Christians have entered universities and been turned into atheists by activists posing as intellectuals. And that includes teachers and professors.
Which is why I suggested that the Bible most assuredly ought to be available for study. But let students alone while doing so. Let the Bible itself convict. Let God be God, and allow the holy Spirit to work without ignorant arrogant deceived teachers inoculate the kids against understanding by opposing and ridiculing those who believe.
 
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Let God be God
There is no choice in the matter. sml
allow the holy Spirit to work without ignorant arrogant deceived teachers inoculate the kids against understanding by opposing and ridiculing those who believe.
Impossible. The forces of darkness have been arrayed against the work of the Holy Spirit from the beginning. Therefore, the HS works through entrenched opposition. And the objective, measurable success? Christianity is the largest religion in the world. It's irrational to suppose that 12 ignorant men in a back water of the Roman Empire yielded this fruit. It is the fruit of the divine.
 

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There is no choice in the matter. sml

Impossible. The forces of darkness have been arrayed against the work of the Holy Spirit from the beginning. Therefore, the HS works through entrenched opposition. And the objective, measurable success? Christianity is the largest religion in the world. It's irrational to suppose that 12 ignorant men in a back water of the Roman Empire yielded this fruit. It is the fruit of the divine.
Without a doubt. Agree . But let's give those students who are sincere seekers every possible advantage shall we? Why help Satan to confuse and befuddle the nation's children by giving such power to teachers whose purpose and intent are at best debatable?
 

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The OP states:

Modern Judaism as a religion is anti-Christ.
You post.
But let's give those students who are sincere seekers every possible advantage shall we? Why help Satan to confuse and befuddle the nation's children by giving such power to teachers whose purpose and intent are at best debatable?
I believe this post is applicable for another thread about Oklahoma improving its education curriculum.
 

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18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

19 And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.

The final part of the verse is why they came to the light, and it goes back to the elect whom He chose and Romans 8 and Ephesians 1
Their deeds have been done in God, according to His working power within them. For all the Gentiles who are called by My name, Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

Acts 15
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

18 [e]Known to God from eternity are all His works.

1 Cor 1, God chose you and that is why you are in Him.

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence. 30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
 

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God has no covenant with any Nation (Israel) based upon race and heritage as you suggest

If a person has .1% Jewish DNA is he part of this covenant people?

Big Smiles!
God made an eternal covenant with Israel. Jer. 31 33-38 shows God has not forgotten His people. Also rom. 9-11.

As a nation they have been temporarily set aside to gather gentiles in the name of Jesus, but the key word there is temporary.

I do not worry how much of a % a person needs to be to be Israeli- that is Gods doing and He will know.
 

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God made an eternal covenant with Israel. Jer. 31 33-38 shows God has not forgotten His people.
Jeremiah 33:38 is also seen in Zechariah 14:10, this represents the future "Eternal Kingdom" after the Lord Jesus returns in fire and final judgement

(Same Event And Place)

Jeremiah 33:38KJV
38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

(Same Event And Place)

Zechariah 14:10KJV
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom​


Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
 
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Jeremiah 33:38 is also seen in Zechariah 14:10, this represents the future "Eternal Kingdom" after the Lord Jesus returns in fire and final judgement

(Same Event And Place)

Jeremiah 33:38KJV
38 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that the city shall be built to the Lord from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner.

(Same Event And Place)

Zechariah 14:10KJV
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14 Is The Eternal Kingdom​


Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.

(Verse 1) shows "The Day Of The Lord" also seen in 2 Peter 3:10-13 "Fire Judgement" below

(Verse 2) Shows that all nations are gathered for the final battle of armageddon.

(Verses 3-5) shows the Lords return, and his eternal feet touch down on the earthly Mt, of Olives, and in the "Twinkling Of An Eye" 1 Cor 15:52 takes place, in the catching up, resurrection, final judgement by fire, and the New Heavens, Earth, and Jerusalem being revealed for eternity, judgement complete, eternity begins.

(Verses 6-7) Eternal light seen, in the eternal kingdom, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 8) The river of life is seen, Rev 22:1-5

(Verse 10) The New creation is being revealed, the plain is lifted up.

(Verse 12) "The Day Of The Lord" showing the "Last Day" judgement by the Lords fire, as men are consumed as they stand on their feet, 2 Peter 3:10-13

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Revelation 22:1KJV
And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

"The Eternal Kingdom"!

Zechariah 14:1-12KJV
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7 but it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the Lordshall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin’s gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king’s winepresses.
11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Once again you need to read more carefully.

Jeremiah is dealing specifically of the city of Jerusalem while Zechariah is showing much more of the land.

Also it is not the entrance of the eternal order but the end of the 7 year tribulation when the Lord physically returns to earth to establish the millennial kingdom.
 
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I actually don't find much evidence for a millennial kingdom which is OF this earth (creation).
Peter says on the Day of the Lord, when He returns, the current creation will be consumed by fire, and we get new heavens and earth.
Paul says when Christ returns there will be this consuming fire and all the wicked will be destroyed, all those who do not know God and who do not obey the gospel.
There is no one left alive who is not of the Father. they are all of them gone, and the people of God inherit the earth. The wicked will be ashes under our feet, that mean they are left neither root nor branch they are all of them destroyed by the fire of God.

Just as in the time of Noah, the flood came and swept them all away and they all of them died.
Just as in the days of Lot, the fire fell and consumed them all, sparing only Lot and his daughters.

Matthew 24

The Coming of the Son of Man​

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

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Luke 17, but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.
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22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them. 24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. 25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

31 “In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his [i]goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there will be two [j]men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. 35 Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. 36 [k]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

37 And they answered and said to Him, “Where, Lord?”

So He said to them, “Wherever the body is, there the eagles will be gathered together.”

The birds are birds of prey, they eat the dead, recall the great supper of God in Revelation speaks to that.
No coming back for the wicked dead.
It is a total destruction. But we inherit the earth, we get new earth and new heaven. Like a restoration of a new creation , a new Eden.
Something to look forward to.


The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

And between the dissolving of the old creation and the coming of the new creation, there is the great white throne judgement of God.
Where books are opened where everything they did was recorded, and the dead are judged by the things they did written in the books.

Everything everyone did is written into His book, your whole life is recorded.
 
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Also it is not the entrance of the eternal order but the end of the 7 year tribulation when the Lord physically returns to earth to establish the millennial kingdom.
There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.


2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance
on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
 
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