The Future Great Tribulation Is 3.5 Years Long, The Beast And Two Witnesses Will Be On This Earth In Power Until The End

[Davidpt]

The beast and ten kings have an army

Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes Muslims believe if they kill Dajjals armed forces ,Jesus will come and kill Dajjal near the gate of Ludd.They will most certainly be celebrating the fall of Jerusalem.

Muslims will be celebrating worldwide when the two witnesses and the gentiles lay dead in Jerusalem..

Maybe these 3 and 1/2 days are symbolic for something rather than literal. Because look what it leads to if taken literally. It leads to a contradiction involving the following.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What you said in this post contradicts this verse not agrees with it---"Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes"

The angels of heaven don't even know that day and hour, but you, a mere human, do know that day and hour? There is something seriously wrong with that picture, no doubt. And guess what? If you know that day and hour so do angels now know it as well since angels can obviously see and read what you wrote. Except that verse says angels in heaven don't know that day and hour.

 

[tailgator]

Maybe these 3 and 1/2 days are symbolic for something rather than literal. Because look what it leads to if taken literally. It leads to a contradiction involving the following.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What you said in this post contradicts this verse not agrees with it---"Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes"

The angels of heaven don't even know that day and hour, but you, a mere human, do know that day and hour? There is something seriously wrong with that picture, no doubt. And guess what? If you know that day and hour so do angels now know it as well since angels can obviously see and read what you wrote. Except that verse says angels in heaven don't know that day and hour.

I do believe Jesus said to watch because we do not yet know.
Do you know what hour the thief comes?

Mathew 24:43
But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into.


I learned a long time ago there is 1290 days between the time the daily sacrifice is abolished to the day the abomination of desolation is set up.

Now if I don't pay attention I could miss the first sign entirely .But if I see it ,then I would know something everyone says I can't.

 

[Truth7t7]

The beast kills the two witnesses not the armies of 200,000,000.

No, nobody is going be making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts at the time of Jesus's return. The wicked of the world will be in fear, because Jesus and His armies of heaven will be approaching earth.

I Disagree, your eschatology is a fairy tale, in denial of basic scriptural evidence presented before you eyes!

 

[Truth7t7]

Now if I don't pay attention I could miss the first sign entirely .But if I see it ,then I would know something everyone says I can't.

Dream World!

 

[Truth7t7]

Maybe these 3 and 1/2 days are symbolic for something rather than literal. Because look what it leads to if taken literally. It leads to a contradiction involving the following.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What you said in this post contradicts this verse not agrees with it---"Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes"

The angels of heaven don't even know that day and hour, but you, a mere human, do know that day and hour? There is something seriously wrong with that picture, no doubt. And guess what? If you know that day and hour so do angels now know it as well since angels can obviously see and read what you wrote. Except that verse says angels in heaven don't know that day and hour.

Revelation Chapter 11 isn't a lie, those fighting to save the false teaching of a Millennium on earth would be the lie

Will you continue in the "Lie" after you have been clearly shown the truth Dave?

 

[Douggg]

I Disagree, your eschatology is a fairy tale, in denial of basic scriptural evidence presented before you eyes!

In this kind of environment, condition, that the world will be in - you are saying that people will be making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts over the deaths of the two witnesses. At a time when the rider, Death, of the pale horse is riding., and the earth and cities littered with dead and decaying corpses. Do you have any idea of how bad the great tribulation will be.

The next time you see a large number of people, such as looking about while driving down the expressway or watching a sports game on TV or You Tube - imaging all those people - dead - as the great tribulation if not limit in duration, no flesh on earth will survive. And you think that there is going to be world wide making merry and celebrating, and exchanging gifts at that time ? There is going to be hunger, sickness, thirst going on, people just trying to survive.

 

[ewq1938]

It was not originally intended that all flesh on earth would be wiped out.

Jesus was not talking about all flesh but all flesh of the saints and yes, that originally would have happened.

 

[ewq1938]

The making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts will be over the death of the two witnesses - not over the fall of Jerusalem.

In the days before Jesus returns, no one is going to be making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts because the wicked will be in fear.

Rev 11 disagrees with you.

 

[ewq1938]

Maybe these 3 and 1/2 days are symbolic for something rather than literal. Because look what it leads to if taken literally. It leads to a contradiction involving the following.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What you said in this post contradicts this verse not agrees with it---"Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes"

Jessu said that almost 2k years ago and it was true at the time. It is no longer true not that it was ever meant to be applied after the cross.

 

[Truth7t7]

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In this kind of environment, condition, that the world will be in - you are saying that people will be making merry, celebrating, exchanging gifts over the deaths of the two witnesses. At a time when the rider, Death, of the pale horse is riding., and the earth and cities littered with dead and decaying corpses. Do you have any idea of how bad the great tribulation will be.

The next time you see a large number of people, such as looking about while driving down the expressway or watching a sports game on TV or You Tube - imaging all those people - dead - as the great tribulation if not limit in duration, no flesh on earth will survive. And you think that there is going to be world wide making merry and celebrating, and exchanging gifts at that time ? There is going to be hunger, sickness, thirst going on, people just trying to survive.

Your emotional garbage in pictures fails biblical reality presented to you, you've fooled no man Douggg!

Jesus Is The Lord!

 

[tailgator]

Dream World!

No,it's called understanding.
You don't even need to know how to count .Any smart phone could give you the date.

Daniel 12
11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

 

[tailgator]

Revelation Chapter 11 isn't a lie, those fighting to save the false teaching of a Millennium on earth would be the lie

Will you continue in the "Lie" after you have been clearly shown the truth Dave?

Stop your lying

 

[tailgator]

Maybe these 3 and 1/2 days are symbolic for something rather than literal. Because look what it leads to if taken literally. It leads to a contradiction involving the following.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

What you said in this post contradicts this verse not agrees with it---"Sure they will be people celebrating for three days before Christ comes"

The angels of heaven don't even know that day and hour, but you, a mere human, do know that day and hour? There is something seriously wrong with that picture, no doubt. And guess what? If you know that day and hour so do angels now know it as well since angels can obviously see and read what you wrote. Except that verse says angels in heaven don't know that day and hour.

I have no reason to disbelieve God.
If I watch as Jesus commands in Mathew 24,then I should know on what watch the thief comes.

Revelation 11
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.






But there are some who don't watch.They don't know when Jesus is coming .They are oblivious the flood is about to come and take them away.




Mathew 24
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Timtofly]

Except nowhere I can see is the beast making war with any saints after it's 42 month reign ends. It does that during it's 42 month reign, not after it's 42 month reign.

The only ongoing battle is between those with the mark and the 2 witnesses, during those 42 months.

Being beheaded is not participation in a battle. Every time a soul is beheaded is one less person on Satan's team.


The battle is over the souls of those who are beheaded. The victory happens when a soul is beheaded. The battle is lost when a person receives the mark.

The 2 witnesses are the only two humans who remain alive until the 42 months are over. Then they are killed by Satan. All the others are beheaded throughout this 1260 day battle. The winners are those who are beheaded. They have overcome by their testimony, the act of being beheaded.

 

[tailgator]

The only ongoing battle is between those with the mark and the 2 witnesses, during those 42 months.

Being beheaded is not participation in a battle. Every time a soul is beheaded is one less person on Satan's team.


The battle is over the souls of those who are beheaded. The victory happens when a soul is beheaded. The battle is lost when a person receives the mark.

The 2 witnesses are the only two humans who remain alive until the 42 months are over. Then they are killed by Satan. All the others are beheaded throughout this 1260 day battle. The winners are those who are beheaded. They have overcome by their testimony, the act of being beheaded.

The people who are beheaded (as John the Baptist was beheaded)are the followers of Jesus who are preaching the gospel.

The two witnesses are not beheaded nor are they killed for preaching the gospel.They are killed because they torment people.They recieve some of what they dished out.

 

[tailgator]

Common sense question.

What kind of command is given to make fire come down out of heaven?

Revelation 13
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

BTW, I'm not a Dispy but you appear to be one, though. You are the one, just like the Dispys, that are taking these things in the literal sense. Yet you claim to be Amil. My opinion is that you were likely a Dispy before you became Amil and are somehow trying to make Dispy and Amil compatible with each other since you can't seem to let go of some of your past Dispy views after becoming an Amil. Once again, just my opinion. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm not.

You are 100% correct about that. I've never seen someone mix dispensationlism and amillennialism together the way he does until I saw his posts. The only beliefs he seems to share with other amils is that Jesus reigns now, will destroy all of His enemies when He returns, and there won't be a future thousand year earthly kingdom of Christ on the earth. Beyond that, he seems to agree with the dispy view about almost everything else.

 

[Davidpt]

The people who are beheaded (as John the Baptist was beheaded)are the followers of Jesus who are preaching the gospel.

The two witnesses are not beheaded nor are they killed for preaching the gospel.They are killed because they torment people.They recieve some of what they dished out.

You're thinking on this is way out in left field. You're thinking on this a bit disturbing, actually. Why don't you start reading more carefully what some of the texts involved says and then begin using better discernment? For example, the following.

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth

Obviously, this "I' and this 'my' is meaning God Himself, and that God says they are His two witnesses, and that he will give power to them.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Notice what verse 6 says---These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3. Verse 6 says they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. Where did they come by this power? From God Himself, obviously. Thus verse 3.

IOW, your issue is with God Himself if you take these 2Ws to be evil rather than good. Which means your interpretation is in opposition to God's will, that you don't like how God uses good to fight evil. You act as if, the lost being tormented by the 2Ws, that they don't deserve it. Better take that up with God then, because both verse 5 and 6 involve power given to the 2Ws and verse 3 indicates it is God Himself that give the 2Ws this power, such as, to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. satan certainly doesn't give that power to them, God does. And once again, it plainly and clearly says so in verse 3.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

They are not the same judgment or timeframe. You didn't even quote any of Rev 20 to compare to Rev 11. They do not match.

Revelation 20:11-15 clearly describes the dead being judged, so there's no reason to think that a reference to "the time of the dead, that they should be judged" (Rev 11:18) would be referring to any other judgment than the one described in Rev 20:11-15. The dead will not be judged at two completely separate judgments.

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The word resurrection appears twice proving there are indeed two resurrections like all resurrection passages teach.

The only thing to figure out is how much time happens inbetween the res of life and the res of damnation. Rev 20 has that answer:

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.



Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life ; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"


Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.

First group resurrection: "the just"
Second group resurrection: the "unjust"

Take note that in every passage where the resurrection of the saved and unsaved are mentioned that the saved or just is always mentioned first. That's important because it is they that resurrect first! Scripture never deviates in this order. Revelation, John, Daniel and Acts all say the saved first, then the unsaved in that exact order.


Luk 14:12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.
Luk 14:13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:
Luk 14:14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

He did not say the resurrection of the just and unjust. He said only the just. Again, this is evidence of two separate resurrections. The resurrection of the just is only of the just, no one else.

What we learn from these verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.

But, Jesus said in John 5:28-29 that the hour (singular) is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected with some resurrected to (eternal) life (eternal life) and the rest to (eternal) damnation. In your view, there are two completely separate hours (plural) coming when the dead will be resurrected, separated by 1,000+ years, which contradicts what Jesus said.

Jesus indicated that one resurrection event is coming, not two. Sure, the saved will be resurrected separately from the lost since they will have different eternal destinations (which is why He refers to the resurrection of life and the resurrection of damnation), but it's still just one hour (one event) coming when all of the dead will be resurrected, not two.